TOB Comments on the booing; Caulton Tudor gets it right

A question about the boos in Carter Finley Stadium was bound to be asked, so Tom O’Brien had no choice but to respond last night on his weekly radio show hosted at Sullivan’s in Raleigh.

Coach Tom O’Brien talked about how annoyed he was with the fan’s reactions to Evans play on his weekly radio show.

“It’s pretty frustrating to listen to people boo thinking it’s going to make somebody better,” O’Brien said Tuesday “By booing somebody, you don’t make them better.”

O’Brien went on to talk about how the boos could be a turnoff to potential recruits who attend games.

“I think it was a bad situation, and hopefully we’ll be smarter than that in the future,” O’Brien said.

The intention of this entry isn’t to promote discussion of Tom O’Brien’s comments, but rather to point out some very impressive statistics regarding the supporters of NC State athletics. We did this earlier in the year when NC State fans were one of the few highlights of Lee Fowler’s annual report, but with the recent criticism from at least one member of the local media this seemed like a good time to revisit some of this information. Considering the results of NC State’s athletic department under the leadership of Lee Fowler, some people might be quite surprised to find that NC State fans have been supporting their programs in record numbers by almost every measure.

NC State supporters ranked 9th among BCS programs in annual donations in 2006.

NC State supporters ranked 14th among BCS programs in capital donations the five years prior to 2006.

NC State fans have sold out Carter Finley for 8 consecutive seasons despite the program hitting an almost half century low point in 2006 with a 3-9 record. You have to go all the way back to 1959 (1-9, .100) to find an NC State football team with a worse overall winning percentage.

Actual attendance (not visual estimates like in Chapel Hill) has essentially been at 100% capacity since the 2000 football season. Here are the numbers for 2008.

NC State fans have ranked #7, #17, #20, #19, #16, #13, #17, #18, #16 in basketball attendance since the 2000 season. In 2008, NC State fans averaged 15,043 which was the 2nd highest total in the history of the program despite the team not making the post-season.

How happy would NC State fans be if the basketball program had half that number of top 20 finishes?

NC State fans made the Wolfpack Club one of five booster organizations in the country to exceed 20,000 members this year.

In the 2007/2008 athletic year, NC State fans set school records in football tickets sold (37,500), revenue from football tickets sold ($10.75 million), and revenue from basketball tickets sold ($5.6 million).

Additionally, NC State fans donated the second highest total in our history ($25.4 million). This was a combination of an all-time high in annual donations ($10.0 million), the 2nd highest total in capital giving ($13.7 million), and what appears to be an all-time high in endowment giving ($1.8 million).

Caulton Tudor of the Raleigh News & Observer had an original take on our quarterback situation today and at the same time took the opportunity to stick up for NC State fans. Thanks Caulton!

N.C. State coach Tom O’Brien’s decision to start Russell Wilson over Harrison Beck at quarterback on Saturday in Clemson likely will be debated by many Wolfpack fans right up to game time and possibly after the closing bell.

It should be, too. Based on Beck’s performance in last weekend’s win over William & Mary, there’s a legitimate argument for sticking with him. And if there’s ever been a fan base deserving of a voice, it’s the Wolfpackers. Their loyalty — in football and basketball — is far beyond the call of duty.

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81 Responses to TOB Comments on the booing; Caulton Tudor gets it right

  1. Greywolf 09/11/2008 at 5:29 PM #

    “Grey — are you Lee Fowler? With all of the capital projects that the boosters and donors have funded over the past 10 years, how can you call it “cheap?””

    That’s easy. We let one of the best Baseball coaches go to South Carolina because we wouldn’t pay him market value for a coach of his caliber. Norm Sloan? The same thing. My problem is that I have been looking at the picture over the long run, not just the last ten years.

    I wonder how many ADs from Division I schools applied for this job when Fowler did?

  2. Iremember87 09/11/2008 at 7:45 PM #

    I believe the booing is misunderstood. From my seats most of the booing was after 3rd down when the punt team was taking the field. The booing was directed at the entire offense, staff and lack of imagination in play calling.
    Sure some was directed at DE but most was directed at the whole bunch.

  3. redfred2 09/11/2008 at 8:31 PM #

    Greywolf, imagine if the NC State BB program rose up out of the ashes and was once again in the mix on the national level for an entire generation of new Wolfpack fans to appreciate, just like we remember it. I wonder if some of these people might remember back and appreciate what us older fans are saying right now?

    As far as the “cheap” comment, and I’ve said this all before many times, the facts are that Fowler/Oblinger are very successful at raking in the money, but they are only spending it for their own priorities which is on projects that make them look good among their peers. Other Chancellors and AD’s from elsewhere who come to Raleigh might walk around and look at all of the great facilities, and be very impressed at what they see. That is what these guys are all about. Losing that baseball coach that Greywolf is talking about, or any number of FB games, or BB games, does not even affect what Oblinger and Fowler consider to be success at NCSU.

  4. happypackdad 09/12/2008 at 1:10 PM #

    O’Brien went on to talk about how the boos could be a turnoff to potential recruits who attend games.

    “I think it was a bad situation, and hopefully we’ll be smarter than that in the future,” O’Brien said

    nuff said. Boo if you want, but know it hurts the program.

  5. redfred2 09/12/2008 at 6:36 PM #

    not booing + all the money you got, will surely = success in Raleigh

    As a matter of fact we’re already there. You just need to be counting bricks, instead of counting points on a scoreboard.

  6. Greywolf 09/19/2008 at 9:25 PM #

    old13
    Sep 10th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
    …”under his(Foulup) watch coupled with his and the department’s poor PR performances and insults of fans, alumni and monetary contributors.”

    I checked out your Bobloose link and his “good ole boy” right up. Got a link for Foulup insulting fans, alumni and monetary contributors? If I’m going to get on that on, I’d like to see the articles quoting him.

    redfred2
    Sep 12th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
    not booing + all the money you got, will surely = success in Raleigh

    red,
    WTF does this mean?

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