Beamer taking redshirt off Taylor; TOB keeping redshirt on our Glennon (updated 3:04 pm)

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Frank Beamer’s decision to redshirt Tyrod Taylor instead of going with the two quarterback system that was successful last season didn’t last long. At his press conference today, Beamer announced that both Sean Glennon and Tyrod Taylor will get snaps going forward.

Following Saturday’s upset loss to East Carolina, Beamer announced at his Tuesday news conference that Sean Glennon and Tyrod Taylor will both see time at quarterback from here on out.

Beamer would not say who would start Saturday’s home opener against Furman or how he will use either quarterback.

It is rare to see a coach pull a redshirt so quickly after making an announcment just recently that seemed to make a lot of sense for Taylor and VPI’s program. However with the loss to ECU this weekend, Beamer probably figured he had to have Taylor this year to give his team the best chance to win another ACC title.

With NC State starter Russell Wilson out for at least this week and maybe as long as 4-6 weeks depending on how he recovers, one has to wonder if Tom O’Brien is considering a similar move. Both Daniel Evans and Harrison Beck continued to struggle leading our offense against South Carolina. Unfortunately for O’Brien, neither quarterback appears capable of leading NC State to a bowl game this year that the program so desperately needs.

Update at 3:04 pm (more good coverage from Ken Tysiac)

“After the evaluation and [Wilson’s] release after that evening back here, it doesn’t look like it’s a career-ending injury for Russell, so we have no intention of un-redshirting Mike Glennon,” O’Brien said Wednesday on the weekly ACC coaches’ teleconference.

O’Brien said he hasn’t thought about whether Wilson will return to the starting position when he is cleared to play. Senior Daniel Evans has taken Wilson’s place and will start Saturday against William & Mary.

“I’m just worried about getting him back and healthy,” O’Brien said.

More good tidbits in that link from Tysiac regarding this week’s game time and Curtis Crouch.

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39 Responses to Beamer taking redshirt off Taylor; TOB keeping redshirt on our Glennon (updated 3:04 pm)

  1. PortAuthority 09/03/2008 at 7:28 AM #

    We should start Beck against W&M to give him more game experience so he can be ready for Clemson if Wilson is not ready. At least Beck would have hit Graham on the long pass that DE under threw. He also has the ability to run.
    Lesser or 2 evils.

  2. b 09/03/2008 at 7:42 AM #

    There are three basic options out of the read option play, hand to the back, QB around the end, or play action. The first option should be established so the other two can provide more chance of success. With RW both the second and third options will work. With DE he should be able to pass effectively if the RBs are getting 4-5 yards a pop. They will likely add some quick PA passes like a semi-bubble screen to account for the lack of mobility and get the short passing game going.

    Bill and Mary are minus two RBs and their starting safety this week. So they will likely test our secondary all night and we might be able to beat them deep with Graham & Co. a few times.

    From what I saw of the VT game, I’m not convinced burning TT’s redshirt is the move. Their WRs were as bad as ours, and their front seven was abused all game long by average RBs. Glennon was harrased all game long and they didn’t run the ball as well as they usually do. They rarely pressured Pinckney, and if not for some bonehead plays by ECU they would have been beaten soundly.

  3. Par Shooter 09/03/2008 at 9:26 AM #

    Another factor is that Taylor has a good amount of game experience already. I think he even started some games last year. That is a totally different situation than Glennon. Taylor last year compares to Glennon this year and frankly I wonder if Taylor’s confidence didn’t get shot by playing before he was ready last year.

    Playing as a true frosh and then redshirting is pretty unusual. Didn’t Charles Davenport do this under Sheridan? He is the only guy I can recall taking this path. Did Harvey play as a true soph?

  4. Ismael 09/03/2008 at 10:38 AM #

    I just saw where Jheranie Boyd has took us off his list. If you were a 4* wide receiver would you want to come into this situation? Might be exactly the time to think about taking off the redshirt, especially if it potentially hurts recruiting…i know i know, Glennon is the future.

  5. GAWolf 09/03/2008 at 10:39 AM #

    DO NOT TAKE OFF GLENNON’S REDSHIRT. Nothing but bad things can come from doing that. And as others have pointed out, this year appears to be a wash regardless.

  6. Ismael 09/03/2008 at 10:43 AM #

    I know GAWolf – i feel like the first time my dad took me hunting and i just wanted to shoot everything that moves…itchy trigger finger. At least im not the coach

  7. Astral Rain 09/03/2008 at 11:25 AM #

    If your goal is to play for this season- you use the redshirt.

    If your goal is to win a championship- you save it.

  8. VaWolf82 09/03/2008 at 11:58 AM #

    haven’t we had a QB that was almost always off target, or had a weak arm, or looked totally unsure, or one who made poor decisions more times than not?

    NC State has never had an offensive line that could consistently create running run when there is no real threat to move the ball through the air. Placing all of the blame on the OL is simply ignoring the other issues on the offensive side of the ball.

  9. Trip 09/03/2008 at 12:33 PM #

    VT’s Glennon is inconsistent, which is why they are burning the redshirt. Some games he shows up (ACC Championship), and not in others (ECU). Taylor can run, so if the WR’s are terrible and he can’t get a good throw, he’ll run. He also seems to throw interceptions less as well in the redzone.

    You have to remember, anything under a 10 win season is a disappointment for VT… and they can grab another great QB fairly easily, so there’s not as great of a reason to keep a redshirt in an off year, especially if that player can play immediately.

  10. Ismael 09/03/2008 at 3:29 PM #

    All good points and all taken. I just noticed how after this past weekend Boyd dropped us. His loss though. We’re NC State son.

  11. redfred2 09/03/2008 at 4:05 PM #

    NC State has never had an offensive line that could consistently create running room or consistently establish containment long enough for any QB to get in any rhythm, or even feel comfortable long enough to concentrate on throwing the football. Therefore, there is no real threat to move the ball through the air, and only the benefit of superior talent at the RB positions has kept the threat to run even halfway respectable. But, that’s only between the 30’s, not into the endzone.

    I do agree though that NC State must improve run blocking all the way around, and they must establish the run first and foremost. We do not have mixed bag to throw at anyone presently, and if there is anywhere to get creative it’s with misdirection and the like on the ground.

    As always, the injury situation isn’t helping either.

  12. vtpackfan 09/04/2008 at 6:52 AM #

    Thank you TOB. I can feel comfortable saying that it goes for most here that a RS Mike Glennon and an experienced RW gives this program the best chance to stop the downward trend.

    Red^, Don’t underestimate the expectation level TOB/Coach Horton have for this unit. THe bar is raised each passing hr. of practice, and though he may thow cookies to the media once in awhile concerning the team “we didn’t do a good job..we’re not their yet, ect”, it’s not the teams philosophy to lay down until the calvary arrives.

    The most optimistic thing I heard about the team, especially concerning the OL, was that down 13-0 there was too much panic that that they were behind and out of it. He expects to see leaders step up in and huddle and on the line to show some back bone and fix it in the mind of players that its 4 qrts. or more that they play like they practice.

  13. Par Shooter 09/04/2008 at 7:37 AM #

    As a counter argument, I think the idea that Glennon will be better off next year if he redshirts may be off base. Barring some type of injury I think that starting 11 games this year and getting starter reps in practice every week will be much better prep for the 09 season than running the scout team and holding a clip board on Saturdays.

    If he isn’t ready yet then you are gaining an advantage this year by playing someone who is more ready. You also obviously have the chance of him being here for his 5th year. But he’ll be more seasoned for ’09 and ’10 if you throw him out there now and let him learn.

    Of all the rs-fr that we’ve seen play QB, you cannot convince me that the rs year gets a guy ready. Honestly I don’t think anything gets a guy ready for primetime except for actual playing time on the college level. So coming into next year, if Glennon is to be the guy, we’ll be right back in there with a rookie who will take time to adjust. Whenever we throw him out there we’re going to have that adjustment period.

    I’m fine with TOB’s decision. He’s the coach and has the knowledge and the benefit of watching practice so this isn’t meant to 2nd guess. It’s just another way of looking at it.

  14. choppack1 09/04/2008 at 9:20 AM #

    “NC State has never had an offensive line that could consistently create running run when there is no real threat to move the ball through the air. Placing all of the blame on the OL is simply ignoring the other issues on the offensive side of the ball.”

    Ain’t that the truth. Most Division 1A QBs have to be able to handle QB pressure – because it will be out there. I don’t expect the average college QB to complete 60% of his passes under pressure and have a 3 to 1 TD to INT ratio. However, an effective college QB, has to be complete roughly 50% of these passes and have a 2 to 1 ratio. If you want to see how I expect my college QB to play, watch the Miami game. Evans managed the game well. He was facing pressure, but he was able to avoid huge mistakes. Russell Wilson was doing an excellent job at this through the first quarter and a half Thursday evening.

    Good news that Russell is already back practicing w/ the team. Like I said, if we can go w/ Russell for the majority of the season, I don’t see taking away Glennon’s redshirt.

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