Report: Tarheel Trio To Return Despite Criticisms & Attacks of UNC Fans

Inside Carolina is reporting that Ty Lawson, Wayne Ellington and Danny Green will all return to Chapel Hill for the 2008-2009 college basketball season, virtually guaranteeing that the Tarheels will hold the #1 preseason ranking as the heavy favorite to win the 2009 National Championship.

Lawson, Ellington and Green had become the targets of significant criticism brought about by UNC-CH fans, students and internet community members. The situation between Tarheel faithful and the players got so nasty that CBS Sportsline actually elevated the fans’ criticisms in a national article discussing the situation and criticizing the Tarheel faithful.

That article was written three weeks ago and we are yet to have seen or heard a single mention of it from UNC-CH Athletics Director, Dick Baddour or anyone else of note within the Carolina Athletics Department. Such behavior and media strategy couldn’t be any more opposite than the obsession and criticism that NC State’s administrators (Fowler, Purcell and Oblinger) have for the ubiquitous “internet” and all of the “bad fans” who evidently reside on the internet.

Dick Baddour understands the simplest of human common sense that NC State’s ‘leadership’ fails to grasp – if you don’t acknowledge this stuff then you don’t elevate it into the public consciousness and therefore you don’t validate the idiots who behave this way. There are tons of ‘crazies’ on the internet; but, just because someone happens to live in the year 2008 and uses the internet does not inherently make them crazy.

Lee Fowler has proven on multiple occassions that he would have immediately raced into public forums to draw even more attention to this type of topic; he most likely would have issued press releases and brought even more negative attention to NC State if the same situation would have happened in Raleigh as happened with Lawson, Ellington and Green. (Remember the reaction to the boos during the Clemson game in Carter-Finley a couple of years ago?)

But…Dick Baddour and the folks in the Carolina camp have a different way of dealing with adversity.

As evidenced by Baddour’s silence on the matter, Baddour didn’t go running to CBS to make a big deal about the article and only exacerbate the problem by bringing more attention to things.

* Baddour & the Carolina camp didn’t go whine and complain off the record to other media members about the crazy UNC fans and therefore he didn’t serve to taint the view of Carolina fans in the minds of others.

* Baddour & the Carolina camp didn’t go calling up newspaper reporters telling them that they were wrong with their stories like Fowler did with Herb Sendek in 2001.

* Baddour & the Carolina camp didn’t run around making a big deal of the story like Lee Fowler did when he called Mark May at ESPN and also dialed-into nationally broadcast football games two years ago to tell the world that Chuck Amato was not on the hot seat (only a couple of months before the Board of Trustees forced Amato out against the wishes of Fowler).

* Baddour & the Carolina camp didn’t fabricate stories about the risk of safety of the players and their families because of the basketball obsessed fans that reside in Carolina’s fanbase like Lee Fowler did in the Richmond newspaper in 2006.

* Baddour & the Carolina camp hasn’t waster their energy and created bad relations with anyone who lives in the real world in 2008 by publicly stating that “fan message boards on the internet” are the biggest challenge facing UNC-CH athletics like Lee Fowler stated in 2006. (Please tell me that you do not wonder why our Athletics Department is amongst the worst in the conference when our leadership is so disassociated with reality that they can’t find bigger challenges to conquer than fan message boards on the internet).

But…what does UNC-CH know about running an Athletics Department?! If those bozos in Chapel Hill who have built one of the top ten all-sports programs in the country had any clue how to run an Athletics Department wouldn’t they be looking to Lee Fowler to provide them guidance on how to react to this kind of stuff? If those bozos really knew what they were doing they would have made a big stink out of all of this and turned their players even more against their fans, thereby guaranteeing such an uncomfortable situation that their existing players would not want to return to school and future recruits would have much less interest in becoming a part of their program.

If only Dick Baddour knew how to deal with issues like Lee Fowler!

In related news, NC State’s JJ Hickson has surprised no one and has guaranteed that he will not be returning to school by signing with agent, Andy Miller of ASM Sports.

N.C. State’s J.J. Hickson said today he will sign a contract with sports agent Andy Miller of ASM Sports, who represents the Boston Celtics’ Kevin Garnett, among others.

Hickson, a 6-foot-9 forward, officially announced Sunday that he had hired an agent and would remain in the draft. That came more than a week after he told reporters in Phoenix that his intentions were to stay in the draft and not return for his sophomore season at State.

Hickson said he made the final decision within the past week

Parting shot — I just received an email from a friend of mine who is a lifelong Carolina fan that read as follows:

Just for the record, if what they are reporting is true, that Green, Ellington, and Lawson are returning to UNC, if they don’t win it all next year, I might consider quiet watching UNC basketball forever. It is a bold statement, but w/ a lineup like that and the freshmen that are coming in, it would be embarrassing if they lose a single game.

What can I say about all of you unrealistic, over-demanding, impatient Wolfpack fans.

Post of the Day from Daniel33 on Pack Pride:

Unless UNC makes a few offseason upgrades to the Smith Center, I don’t think they can go all the way. Talented players are nice, but everyone knows to be really successful, you have to have top-notch facilities. UNC needs a few more luxury boxes to really compete on a high level.


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57 Responses to Report: Tarheel Trio To Return Despite Criticisms & Attacks of UNC Fans

  1. Rick 06/16/2008 at 2:19 PM #

    They are going to be scary good.
    We will be ou typical sucky selves.

  2. Noah 06/16/2008 at 2:27 PM #

    In 1984 and 1987, they were clearly the best team in the country. They were about eight deep in NBA talent and about 12 deep in just ACC talent.

    That said, I don’t care if they go pro or not. Whenever they do leave, they’ll just bring in five other guys who are just as good. They will be a top-five team until Roy Williams leaves.

  3. wufpup76 06/16/2008 at 2:58 PM #

    “Fan criticisms on the internet message boards are the only reason Lawson, Green, and Ellington are staying in the draft … Ohh, wait – huh? – They’re STAYING!?”

    \If Lee Fowler was the Hole AD

    Also, I’m not sold on the Holes “not losing a game” or being “prohibitive favorites” for the national title if indeed all three are coming back … sure, they’ll (the Holes) have a very good opportunity, but have they done it yet? Nope. We’ll see what happens …

  4. PackMan97 06/16/2008 at 3:03 PM #

    Good God! Could a less deserving fan base ever get so lucky? So, the fans rip the players…and the players come back for another season! Heck, we talk about a player being a key recruit and they running a screaming to mommy about not wanting all that pressure and sign elsewhere.


  5. BJD95 06/16/2008 at 3:29 PM #

    ^ As Clint Eastwood said to Gene Hackman in Unforgiven, “Deserve’s got nothin’ to do with it.”

    But I know what you mean. It’s almost enough to make one doubt the existence of a just and merciful God.

  6. JeremyH 06/16/2008 at 3:36 PM #

    mock draft board I am looking at has JJ and Tywon around the same spot, late twenties. I wonder if we had a star complementary recruit coming in this decision would be harder. Or maybe he just doesn’t want to be Roy Hibbert.

  7. Pack92 06/16/2008 at 3:41 PM #

    Don’t be so quick to think everything is rosy in the hole. You think we had chemistry problems this past year? Ol Roy has twice the problems Dean Smith had in 93 when he actually had more talent than the team that won the NC in 92.
    I specifically remember the choke of the 87 team that Noah mentions. Of course, having problems with talent is much more fun than the flip side of the coin. As we unfortunately know.

  8. Noah 06/16/2008 at 3:57 PM #

    I’m trying to remember what happened to that 1987 team. In 1984, Kenny Smith broke his wrist against LSU and wasn’t really the same after that.

    In 1987, who’d they lose to? Syracuse?

    In 1984, they had:

    Perkins, D’oh, Daugherty, Smith and Jordan in their starting lineup. They had buzz Peterson and Steve Hale and Warren Martin and Joe Wolf and Dave Popson and Curtis Hunter coming off the bench.

    The 1987 team had:
    Smith, Lebo, JR Reid, Wolf and Popson in their starting five. They had Scott Williams and Ranzino Smith and Kevin madden and Rick Fox (?)…can’t remember their bench.

    Phenomenal talent.

  9. EdMar 06/16/2008 at 4:00 PM #

    There is one good thing about Ty Lawson coming back. This should give our students and Duke’s plenty of time to come up with excellent cheers and signs related to Lawson’s arrest for drunk driving, driving with his license revoked, etc.

  10. burnbarn 06/16/2008 at 4:05 PM #

    77 team choked big time to Marquette.

  11. john of sparta 06/16/2008 at 4:05 PM #

    could it be possible that playing
    for the baby blue beats playing
    for the Timberwolves? it’s only
    money, and they would have spent
    it on women. why spend when they’re
    free @ UNC?

  12. Pack92 06/16/2008 at 4:10 PM #

    Noah, unless my memory is REALLY going didn’t they choke against Michigan in 87? Wasn’t that the year MI went on to win the NC and the coach left?

    SFN: That was 1989

  13. Astral Rain 06/16/2008 at 4:26 PM #

    What about Hickson?

    I think he’s gone, but haven’t seen word either way.

  14. old13 06/16/2008 at 4:28 PM #

    Do you suppose that Dick Baddour will write a letter to the press if some Hole fans boo these players when they are introduced at the first game, or if any coach is booed for poor performance!

  15. smile102 06/16/2008 at 4:54 PM #

    Well, obviously, the players read the criticism, realized the fans were right, and corrected the error of their ways by withdrawing from the draft.

  16. Wulfpack 06/16/2008 at 5:25 PM #
  17. wufpup76 06/16/2008 at 5:32 PM #

    ” … Michigan in 87? Wasn’t that the year MI went on to win the NC and the coach left?”

    Michigan beat Seton Hall for the championship in ’89 after Bill Freider left for ASU, of all places … then comes the Steve Fischer ‘Fab Five’ nonsense …

    Holes did indeed lose to Boeheim’s Orangemen, er, Orange in a regional final in ’87 … and then Keith Smart sends Boeheim into a deep, dark depression the next Monday night …

    I <3 NCAA Tournament 🙂

  18. Astral Rain 06/16/2008 at 6:08 PM #

    Oh well, best of luck to JJ, and thanks for coming here. Just wish you could have stayed longer, but I understand.

  19. Octavian 06/16/2008 at 8:17 PM #

    Carolina wins again. Let me get this straight, their top team from last year returns everyone, including everybody’s all american in Hanbrough who didn’t even dip his foot in the NBA water and our sorry asses lose our best player without batting an eye. Between the bozos running the admin. and our accursed fortune, it’s a wonder if we’ll win any championship of any substance in my lifetime.

  20. hoop 06/16/2008 at 9:25 PM #

    The Tarholes are going to have the top 5 players in the 2009 draft!

  21. Noah 06/16/2008 at 10:21 PM #

    And when they leave, they’ll just bring in five more future NBA hall of famers.

  22. whitefang 06/17/2008 at 4:32 AM #

    Fortunately luck, chemistry, timing, etc have a lot to do with it or UNC would win the NC 3 out of 5 years. But their talent is so much better than ours will be for as far as I can see that it will basically be men against boys I’m afraid. I guess that is why i don’t hate Duke as badly as most do on this blog. At least they have a chance to compete regularly with the Holes rather than an occasional game every 5 years or so.
    MORE FOOTBALL. Basketball news is just too depressing.

  23. BoKnowsNCS71 06/17/2008 at 6:52 AM #

    Once again two teams suck all the air out of the room in the ACC leaving it as a top tier league of two teams and other tiers of lesser teams.

    Sad to say but the old saying that “All boats rise with the tide” isn’t holding true for some reason in the ACC. And that is bad for the Conference as a whole. No longer is the ACC viewed as the strongest conference — more just a conference with 2 strong teams.

    One might expect that other good players would jump at the chance to come play against the prima donnas at these 2 schools and better their stock on NBA draft day. But no — there is enough air time for any team on TV for a kid to be a star at other non-ACC schools.

    The lack of talent to challenge these two teams probably will hurt them in post season play. I can only hope that some of the other coaches in the ACC can get it together to pull in some of the remaining talent to make the ACC competitive again. I think Wake Forest may be moving in that direction but have doubts on the rest.

  24. choppack1 06/17/2008 at 7:19 AM #

    I heard Tom Crean interviewed the other day. He was talking about how he wanted guys w/ “courage”. He wanted his players to be courageous. I liked that – and it’s that same attitude that will be necessary here in Raleigh.

  25. Wulfpack 06/17/2008 at 7:23 AM #

    Bo, no question the ACC has taken a severe hit the past couple of years. UNC gets these three studs back plus Hansbrough, has a solid class coming in, and has the top ranked class next year. It’s UNC’s league, at least the next couple of years. They just keep reloading and nobody is stepping up to the challenge. Wake may put up a good fight, but it’s going to take a couple of years. Clemson should be strong. Duke is going to struggle. Who wants to step up?

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