Postseason Drought

Seems like it wasn’t so long ago that State’s football team punched America’s sweetheart in the mouth in the Gator Bowl (thanks Sean Berton), or that men’s basketball beat UConn at the buzzer to make the Sweet 16 or that Kay Yow led the Wolfpack Women to the Final Four.

But much like Falls Lake, State’s postseason appearances dried up this school year. While baseball is still in progress (and should make the NCAA tournament), the other three revenue programs failed to make a bowl game or the NCAA Tournament. That puts State in a category as one of five BCS schools to have that distinction.

Of the 66 BCS schools (including Notre Dame) in 2007-08, eight schools participated in all three of the major post season events:

    • UConn
    • West Virginia
    • Purdue
    • Oklahoma
    • Texas
    • Texas A&M
    • Georgia
    • Tennessee

31 schools participated in 2 of the 3 post season events.

22 schools participated in 1 of the 3 post season events.

5 schools missed all 3 post season events:

    • NC State
    • Northwestern
    • Washington
    • Ole Miss
    • South Carolina

NC State is also one of six BCS schools that did not go to a bowl and also didn’t make the men’s tourney each of the last two seasons. Interestingly, there was one school in each conference.

    • NC State
    • Syracuse
    • Northwestern
    • Iowa St
    • Washington
    • Ole Miss

Hopefully sports will imitate life and TOB, Sid and Kay will bring some much needed rain back to their programs.

SFN Notes:
(1) Related recent link regarding ACC & National Championships

(2) It would ‘performance’ like this that paints NC State with total irrelevancy to the rest of the country and generates comments like Rocky Top Talk’s in this entry. You will see that when SFN was being named best ACC Blog on the internet, that one of the reasons we were considered to be so impressive was that we did such a great job covering such a poor performing program.

Competent team? Uh, no, and that’s what makes StateFans Nation’s consistent quality all the more laudable.

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50 Responses to Postseason Drought

  1. Clarksa 05/05/2008 at 2:46 PM #

    Out of the 6 “negative” posts, 4 are just stating statistical facts. One points out the stupidity of getting our mascot name wrong and one is based on interviews with Fowler and Lowe.

    Statistical Facts -Postseason Drought
    Common Sense -Get Your Nevada Memorabilia at GoPack.com
    Statistical Facts -NCAA & ACC Championships since 2000
    Statistical Facts -NCAA honors 712 teams, 192 schools (NC State not one of them)
    Opinions? -Fowler Makes His Performance a Public Issue; Sidney Lowe Q&A with Chip Alexander
    Statistical Facts -ACC Championship Weekend yields no titles for Pack

  2. choppack1 05/05/2008 at 3:18 PM #

    Bo – I imagine if the Pack was doing a lot better, suddenly this blog would be more positive.

    I think if you look at how football has been covered since the arrival of TOB – the football coverage has been positive. If we see the equivalent of what we saw in basketball this year, I think you will hear a negative tone.

    Complaining about the tone of this blog reminds me of one of the many classic lines in The Outlaw Josy Wales:

    “Don’t piss on my back and tell me it’s raining.”

    I could see calling the blog negative if we were complaining about acceptable results. We’re not. We’re complaining about poor results.

  3. McPete 05/05/2008 at 3:20 PM #

    that was Sisyphus who pushed the boulder up the hill.

    LF would tell you we’re like Icarus. if we try to fly too high, our wings will get burned by the sun and we’ll plummet to our deaths.

  4. StateFans 05/05/2008 at 3:48 PM #

    Facts are facts. They are only ‘positive’ or ‘negative’ based on the perspective of the individuals.

  5. whitefang 05/05/2008 at 4:31 PM #

    A couple of thoughts for this and the last several related topics:
    1. It is a sad joke to me that the WPC or the athletic admin try to paint SFN as “bad” for State. Reality is most people who have a dollar in their pocket have figured the internet out by now and go to it for news and views. We ARE NC State fans. Sure there are a few anti-State surfers who show up from time to time, but really I don’t have time to read other schools sports blogs and I figure most of them don’t have time to read SFN either. I read SFN most every day because I am a freakin State fan. The fact that there is negative stuff on here is because there is a lot of negative shit happening concerning athletics at our school and very damn little postive shit. When there is postive stuff it is FOR SURE put on SFN no matter how insignificant.
    2. I don’t even blame Fowler anymore for the “drought”. Fowler is an incompetent idiot and all God’s children know that by now. Who I blame is the BOT, Oblinger, et al. They are the ones who put up with this lack of performance. Therefore, I am not giving any money to anything academic until we win something in football or basketball no matter how often I am called by my alma mater. Say all you want about how academics being the most important thing, but I give based on winning at athletics. Call me short-sighted, stupid, etc. Don’t really care. As I heard someone say one time, “You sure aren’t going to fill a 60,000 seat stadium to watch a math quiz”. Win a championship and see how much more academic gifts are given. They’ll probably double.

  6. old13 05/05/2008 at 4:37 PM #

    I was a WPC member increasing donations every year – but not since 2006 when Foulup drug the Wolfpack’s image through the mud. There have been countless justifications for my actions since (and before!) by Foulup and the administration (under the lack of BOT leadership.)

  7. john of sparta 05/05/2008 at 6:53 PM #

    negative times negative is positive.

    ain’t it?

  8. cowdog 05/05/2008 at 7:44 PM #

    We keep the pressure on. Facts are facts my brothers and sisters.

    Is it Obling…BOT…or FFFFFFFF?

  9. howlie 05/05/2008 at 8:26 PM #

    We’re bottom 5!
    We’re bottom 5!
    We’re bottom 5!
    We’re bottom 5!

  10. OwenDorm83 05/05/2008 at 9:06 PM #

    Yeah, and Uncle Jed wants to win because he doesn’t get a paycheck if he doesn’t win. And it’s all those crazy fans on the internet that won’t drink the cool-aid. Yeah, that’s the real problem….yada, yada, yada…

  11. PackerInRussia 05/05/2008 at 9:45 PM #

    So there is criticism for negativity, but I notice there is no criticism for inaccuracies or false information which just means they would prefer a positive spin be put on bad news. Sorry, but I already live in a place like that and it ain’t all its cracked up to be. Truth and the freedom to give an honest opinion and criticize leadership are always the best ways to go.

  12. BoKnowsNCS71 05/05/2008 at 9:58 PM #

    “Facts are facts. They are only ‘positive’ or ‘negative’ based on the perspective of the individuals.”

    True and false. When you constantly dwell on a negative message to the point where it gets so old that folks don’t even want to comment then that is not doing us well. We start to provide fodder for the poeple who hate us and revel in our self degradation. i.e. Durham and CH.

    Yes times are bad but when we come here it seems that the emphasis is always on the negative. and yes that is perspective and we are all the individuals.

  13. wufdog 05/05/2008 at 11:45 PM #

    A couple of thoughts for this and the last several related topics:
    1. It is a sad joke to me that the WPC or the athletic admin try to paint SFN as “bad” for State. Reality is most people who have a dollar in their pocket have figured the internet out by now and go to it for news and views. We ARE NC State fans. Sure there are a few anti-State surfers who show up from time to time, but really I don’t have time to read other schools sports blogs and I figure most of them don’t have time to read SFN either. I read SFN most every day because I am a freakin State fan. The fact that there is negative stuff on here is because there is a lot of negative shit happening concerning athletics at our school and very damn little postive shit. When there is postive stuff it is FOR SURE put on SFN no matter how insignificant.
    2. I don’t even blame Fowler anymore for the “drought”. Fowler is an incompetent idiot and all God’s children know that by now. Who I blame is the BOT, Oblinger, et al. They are the ones who put up with this lack of performance. Therefore, I am not giving any money to anything academic until we win something in football or basketball no matter how often I am called by my alma mater. Say all you want about how academics being the most important thing, but I give based on winning at athletics. Call me short-sighted, stupid, etc. Don’t really care. As I heard someone say one time, “You sure aren’t going to fill a 60,000 seat stadium to watch a math quiz”. Win a championship and see how much more academic gifts are given. They’ll probably double.

    Amen brother, you are preachin to the choir, now turn around and tell the congregation

  14. Lobo-in-HN 05/06/2008 at 12:58 AM #

    I´d like to highlight something most of you should not be aware (mainly because its not a big revenue sport)about another sport to follow the tradition of our “I-can´t-fire-anyone AD”: The swim “coach” has been here since the 2001, and has not been over a 4th place in the ACC (like Chuck) in a program that was nationally recognized not long ago. It´s hard to believe anyone can enjoy the sport as it should be with him around, I dare any of you to get a positive review from anyone related, to the team that is not a coach, swimmer parents included.

    An insider to the BOT mentioned last week that a huge donation is ready for a complete NEW POOL, but the donor will not give it until this coach leaves. It is a shame that our team has to practice and compete in a pool that is extremely outdated. His only claim to fame (not to disrespect other swimmers, past or present) is a sprint swimmer that reached ACC greatnss, but would´ve been that fast no matter if he practiced in an inflatable kiddy pool.

  15. EdMar 05/06/2008 at 7:31 AM #

    Spring is here and as a State fan you have to be the eternal optimist. I think football will be fine if not next year the year after. Basketball… we have not seen yet what kind of recruiter Lowe is once he has had a couple of years to build relationships. I hope that we will be pleasantly surprised.

    Although I love to see us win in the major sports, I do get a lot of Wolpack pride with any win in Football, Basketball, Marbles or Jacks (I do not think kids play that anymore).

    We actually have to chance to do well in the NCAAs to finish this year.
    -Both Golf teams are in.
    -Several individuals in track and field
    -The women in Tennis
    -A couple of individuals in Men’s tennis
    -The Baseball team should be in, possibly with a decent seed
    Go Pack

  16. roandaddy 05/06/2008 at 7:42 AM #

    To paraphrase Bob Uecker
    “if you turn those stats around, we are in the front row!”

  17. Classof89 05/06/2008 at 8:13 AM #

    ^^
    Interesting info on the swim team. FYI, there was another coach between Easterling (the guy who won gazillion championships) and the current guy who also couldn’t get the job done.

    But on the other hand, you couldn’t really find anyone to say anything nice about Easterling when he was here, either (my time as an undergrad coincided with his final years here, and my roommate walked on the swim team). In fact, Easterling was sort of eased out of the job (his “retirement” wasn’t entirely voluntary, in other words) because of some incidents of alleged abuse of team members (abusive training methods like hot weather runs without water, IIRC) and one team member who died as a result of such tactics.

  18. Ed89 05/06/2008 at 8:21 AM #

    I figured I’d post so we have either an Ed or an 89 in three straight posts. I do feel the drought will be ending in football in the next few years. TOB has got us on the right track. As far as BBall, the 2009 class will be huge. I thought Brown was a lock, but he seems to be wavering. Wall and/or Brown and a top PF/C will be necessities for 2009. Truthfully, I do not think J.J. going pro will hurt us — in a way, I think it may help in that a top PF or C in 2009 (Favors anyone?) may be more likely to commit with J.J. already gone and Ben being a Senior.

  19. kyjelly 05/06/2008 at 9:18 AM #

    ^EdMar……You think you need a few more yearstion to see what type of recruiter Sid is,I am afraid we have seen enough! Lets bring in more 6’4 guards who can’t play the point or the 2 posi

  20. blackdom 05/06/2008 at 9:52 AM #

    As far as Bball recruiting goes ESPN has top 100 recruits for class of 08 as well as 09 none of which are coming here.
    What is Sid waiting for?

  21. happypackdad 05/06/2008 at 10:38 AM #

    We really need some good news from the bball camp. A top ’09 recruit needs to commit soon to get the ball rolling.

  22. ktoh 05/06/2008 at 12:13 PM #

    ^ Well I don’t think I would hold my breath about an 09 recrruit I see Davidson just signed the big kid from VA for this year 08! 6’10 He was the kid ammacker was trying to lure to Harvard .

  23. packbackr04 05/06/2008 at 1:21 PM #

    yeah, Miles Plumlee. he is gonna be good. Nope, all your gonna see from State is And1 ball as long as Sid is here.

    Maybe we can get an announcer who can scream things like SPIDAH!!!!! HOT SAUCE!!!!!!! at us all game long.

  24. turfpack 05/06/2008 at 10:23 PM #

    Until the present leadership is changed I don’t see things getting alot better.
    I THINK TOB WILL BE THE ONLY POSITIVE IN ATHLETICS.
    SIMPLY-LEE’S GOT TO GO!

  25. blackdom 05/07/2008 at 9:50 AM #

    Hey Sid and the boys can schedule a home and home during the acc/big10 challenge with the Washington Generals!

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