Friday Basketball Bytes

=======> Congratulations to Sean Miller and Xavier! In just 4 years he has already taken Xavier to a place in the NCAA Tournament where his former boss at NC State couldn’t achieve in a decade. It’s kind of hard to blame the strength of Duke and Carolina for our failure to succeed in anything outside of playing Duke and Carolina as we have never lost to the Tar Heels or Blue Devils in the NCAA Tournament. So, it must be Xavier’s facilities!

=======> If we’ve got to find something good about NC State’s basketball season how about the fact that we defeated two different teams in this year’s Sweet 16. This unique statistic should really impress the odd set of fans who earlier in the decade were impressed by the fact that the Wolfpack played and beat teams who had won the previous year’s National Championships (Maryland, Michigan State, UConn). Just think…we actually beat these teams in the year that they were good!! Anyone have any research as to the last time we defeated two different Sweet 16 teams in a regular season?

=======> We do a great job of criticizing officials while we try to hold them accountable on this blog. So, it is only fair to provide them apporpriate praise when it is deserved. So, allow me to praise some of the officiating that I have seen in this year’s NCAA Tournament – particularly the games involving Carolina. The Tar Heels have received fairly called games, which serves to support just how well they are playing. On the other hand, I felt Clemson could have gotten a little better treatment in their first round loss to Villanova.

More importantly, I wanted to say that this years Atlantic Coast Conference Tournament was FANTASTICALLY OFFICIATED. The conference and the crews deserve credit for how well the weekend’s games in Charlotte were managed.

So, why the hell can’t the conference provide us that kind of officiating throughout the season? Why are the touch fouls that get Duke and Carolina to the line so often during the regular season suddenly not fouls in the post season? and, why is their behavior suddenly called more accurately in the post season?

If the ACC provided that kind of officiating during the regular season perhaps the league standings wouldn’t be so skewed and the league could get more teams in the NCAA Tournament! Every year we point out a couple of games that were robbed from league teams that would have made a huge difference in their seasons and in the league’s representation in the big dance.

Isn’t it interesting that in a Tournament where the officiating was generally given credit and praised that the Duke Blue Devils didn’t even make the Championship game after easily cruising through the league over 16 games of poor officiating and competing for the conference’s #1 seed?

=======> Speaking of Duke, have you seen this great entry from Dave Glenn? The dude really delivers.

Consider this: Eight times in Krzyzewski’s 28 seasons at Duke, he has led teams without a (college) All-American on the roster.

First, there was a three-year stretch (1982-84) near the beginning of his tenure, before he got the recruiting ball rolling. Second, there was a three-year stretch (1995-97) that surrounded the season in which he left the team because of a back injury and exhaustion. Finally, there have been the last two seasons (2007-08).

Duke’s production during those eight seasons without a college All-American on hand? 0 ACC titles, 0 Sweet 16s, 0 Final Fours, 0 NCAA titles.

Duke’s production during those other 20 seasons under Coach K? 10 ACC titles, 17 Sweet 16s, 10 Final Fours, 3 NCAA titles.

When Duke won NCAA titles (1991, 1992, 2001) under Coach K, its best players were All-Americans such as Christian Laettner, Bobby Hurley, Grant Hill, Shane Battier and Jason Williams. All five made the ACC’s 50-man 50th anniversary team, selected in 2002

=======> Color me confused.

NC State has just signed an agreement to play both Florida and Arizona in home and home basketball series in the coming years. We have a conversation about it here.

A little birdie close to the UF Athletics Deparment told me that the Gators are really excited about this series as they have been trying to schedule a non-FSU-ACC game for years.

Really? Looks like another of the absurd HSSS-contrived myths takes another public hit. I’m sure remember the bunk that the HSSS crowd and Lee Fowler constantly spun in response to fans’ frustrations with NC State’s embarassing out of conference records. Remember how we tried so hard and nobody would play us? Remember how Herb’s great connections to Pitino, Tubby, Donovan and others were supposed to be a big benefit for us, yet we somehow never saw any positive by-product of those relationships?

Speaking of close relationships, Roy Williams and Coach K speak longer to each other during a post-game handshake than Herb and Donovan did this week after the Gators knocked the Sun Devils out of the NIT in Phoenix. So much for a claim of deserving to be in the NCAA.

=======> Click here for BIG NEWS!! I mean BIG NEWS!!! You can’t miss it!!! And I guaran-damn-tee you that NC State’s Athletics department paid for it.

=======> I’m not having any problem with Davidson’s run to success in this year’s NCAA Tournament.

Not only are the Wildcats generally very likeable, they lost to NC State, Duke, and UNC-Ch THIS YEAR. That keeps all of their fans in their place when it comes to obscene stretches of reality…unlike the mighty midgets of Appalachian State whose fans have become so insufferable that nobody in the region can pull for them anymore.

For example, in 2006 App State won their second National Championship in a row. Congratulations. In the first game of that season, one of the worst NC State football teams of the last 20 years absolutely dominated the mighty midgets in Raleigh. The Wolfpack were obviously physically superior and shut down the midgets while only scoring 24 points as our TIGHT END played quarterback.

Last season, Wofford defeated App State just a few of weeks after being demolished by arguably our WORST team in 20 years. Later in the 2007, the Mountaineers needed a miracle to defeat James Madison who had been manhandled by Carolina earlier in the year. Yet, none of this is enough to keep the mighty midgets fans mouths shut. They can’t just be happy that they are the best of the midgets. Invariably, almost all ASU fans bridge their boasting of their national championships into stretches of how they are the best team in North Carolina and how they can compete in the ACC.

Puhlease. I leave you the following 16 second video from the last time the Wolfpack and the Mountaineers played to highlight the physical difference between playing with the midgets and playing with the big boys.

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107 Responses to Friday Basketball Bytes

  1. packbackr04 03/28/2008 at 3:06 PM #

    As an app grad, i think any app fan who wants to go D1 bowl subdivision is insane! why make that jump and be small fish, big pond when you are currnetly biggest fish in small pond. totally stupid. appalachian has had an unprecedented run and it has been fun, but to say you are better than most BCS teams is a joke. Armanti Edwards, although undersized, is the most exciting football player i have seen in YEARS. he can flat out play. and anybody on this board who wouldnt rather have Armanti over anything State has had at QB since Rivers is on Crack.

    also, i thought the exact same thing about Jed at the barn. my family and i go there every yr for dinner and my momma would slap the $hit outta me if i came down the stairs in blue jeans. what an assclown fowler is.

    and afterglow^^ i totally agree with your assesment of the bball team and the coaches being mainly at fault. But at the same time, if these kids need someone to tell them to get up on time, brush their teeth, practice hard, try hard in games. then they arent for me. that is something i like to call gumption, and it is INSIDE of you. and if you dont want to better yourself, be the best you can be, FOR YOURSELF, than leave. Sid shouldnt have to hold these kids hands while they pee.

  2. Pack1998 03/28/2008 at 3:08 PM #

    Regarding Miller . . . going to Indiana makes sense. I had a friend who played on the Stat basketball team when he was our assistant, said he was a stud and the best coach on the staff at the time, including Sendek. Interestingly enough, my friend said he was the only guy who stressed fundamentals during practice. As a side note . . . didn’t Sendek try to backdoor the job at Indiana prior to taking the ASU job?

    Beating 2 teams in the sweet 16 . . . well, you can’t argue that the basketball team didn’t have talent this year. Further evidence of underachieving, especially late in the year. Still makes me disappointed, but oh well, the joys of being a State fan.

    ACC Tourney officials . . . yes, great in the ACC tourney. Coincidentally, my UNC friends complained about how bad it was. You failed to mention when, during the FSU-UNC game, Roy Williams yelled to the officials at the end of the game “Hello, I want to introduce you to Tyler Hansbrough”. This was a classless gesture, and it of course was pointed out by none other than Mr. Billy “Like me or don’t like me, I sleep well at night” Packer. The officiating does need to be more balanced during the year, think of all the close games (i.e. Clemson losing to Duke at Duke last year due to “clock-gate”, would Clemson have received a bid in 2006 with that win? Would Duke not have received a bid in 2006 with that loss? A call here and there at the end of the game makes a difference.)

    Glenn’s comments . . . I guess if you have great players then you win alot. The same analysis could be run for UNC, or UCLA, or any major successful program with, most likley, similar output. I ain’t gonna run the data though.

    Big State news . . . equals WTF. Fowler is a salesman, not a manager or executive. Let him run WPC donations, not run an organization that MUST be focused on managing individuals to performance output.

    Davidson . . . yes, like ’em, support ’em. Classy group, and not cocky to your point. Would love to see Davidson get the media love as the new mid-major, taking it away from Gonzaga. Appears this is already happening. Good for the NC basketball landscape too!

    App St . . . agree, but they sure beat Michigan. Can’t argue against that. At least we did beat them. I’m still scratching my head . . . how the hell did they beat Michigan. Come to D-I Mr. App St if you think you’re so big and bad. To be honest, I root for App but feel their fans did begin to boarder on “ECU-ness” over the last few years.

  3. packbackr04 03/28/2008 at 3:11 PM #

    o yeah, and just so im on record, yes, LSU will absolutley destroy my mountaineers next yr. Not making excuses, but we did have alot of seniors on last yrs team who have moved on and also we really didnt have much option, no other BCS teams would put us on their schedule. again, no excuses, LSU wouldve beaten the snot out of this yrs ASU team too.

    and to change topics, your thread the other day about donating to Athletic Depts. i go to almost every home NCSU football game and 1 APP game every yr, but i give all my money to ASU. why? well you laid it out pretty well in your thread. i like to contribute to winning causes. i enjoy the fellowship of tailgating at carterfinley, and am a huge fan of NCSU sports. but i wouldnt give one indian nickel to Fowler and Co…..

  4. GAWolf 03/28/2008 at 3:25 PM #

    Couple of things:

    1) Hearsay, in it’s truest sense of the word, does not necessarily make the evidence described as such “untrue.”

    2) Noah’s proposal about Michigan going to Boone, leaving in the 1st team, and beating App 100-0 is such a freaking intense conversation piece. At first I chuckled as it’s quite witty/wise, but think about the media shitstorm that would surround that type of action. It’s sort of like that thought you have when you’re in a nice restaurant and how people would react if you just stood up and started throwing plates and smashing stuff and laughing for no reason. The reaction and aftermath of such a ridiculous event would just be impossible to adequately imagine… Would the Michigan coaches be banished from football for the complete lack of class? Would they be applauded for attempting to restore the little piece of Big Blue tradition that was lost in one of the greatest upsets of all time? Would be like a dad getting beat buy his kid in h.o.r.s.e and then smashing his kid in the nose with the basketball? That’s just some funny stuff to think about…

    3) I would LOVE to know what Nantz and Packer REALLY think about Fowler. Would LOVE to hear their unchecked honest opinion of the guy. As in what did they say standing beside each other at the sinks in the bathroom of the Angus Barn with no one else there. I bet it would be hilarious to hear that conversation… or sad.

    4) The coaching staff’s work ethic needing a boost? Hmmf. Seems that’s picking up some steam since I heard it last.

    5) Transfer? I shutter at who might leave as it could be a sign that they think this program is a lost cause. I hope it’s not of the Josh Powell magnitude as far as being very telling of the inner issues that need to be addressed in the program. That’s scarier to me than the thought of our A.D. wearing dungarees to an opportunity to hype our athletic programs to some of the more well-respected talking heads in the college sports industry. Jebus. I think I’ll wear jorts to court next week. Gotta show those judges who wields the power ’round these parts… mmmhhhmmmmmmm.

  5. whitefang 03/28/2008 at 3:29 PM #

    packbackr04
    Sorry no offense meant. Just tired of the “illogical” stuff I hear. Like hearing (which I did a few years ago) that USC at their prime could beat most NFL teams, etc, etc.
    Different ballgame entirely.
    And yes the Edwards kid could definitely play at many Div 1 schools including State the last few years.

  6. ClassOf95 03/28/2008 at 3:34 PM #

    I heard today from a pretty reliable source that we may be in for a coaching staff shake up. (Monte Towe?)

  7. Noah 03/28/2008 at 3:37 PM #

    Regarding Michigan, they beat them by spreading the field and getting a little lucky. The spread offense gets rid of the advantage the bigger, stronger team has. It’s how BYU was so successful with a bunch of small, slow white kids under Edwards/Chow.

    As far as the rematch goes, App State bitches that no one will come to Boone. If you’re Michigan, you just say, “Okay, you beat us fair and sqaure and you’re right, we SHOULD play there.”

    And then you squash them as mercilessly and emotionlessly and professionally as you can.

    Why would there be any controversy? I’ve never understood why people get all worked up if you’re running your normal offense and defense at the end of a game. If you can’t stop the other guy, that’s a “you-problem.”

    Remember SC beating us 48-0 in Columbia the year after we beat them in 1986 on the Kramer-to-Peebles Hail Mary?

    Something like that.

  8. Noah 03/28/2008 at 3:39 PM #

    BTW, if App. State is smart, they’ll make the rematch as soon as possible. Michigan is not going to be very good this year.

  9. b 03/28/2008 at 4:27 PM #

    I understand the theory of the Michigan to Boone revenge mission. I just think that Michigan would be overreacting if they took that stance. Why give the little guy the satisfaction or notoriety of having you, mighty Michigan, trapse up the mountain to validate their monumental upset?

    Southern Miss beat Bama, a team with similar history to UM, in Bryant Denny in the 80’s (and since), and Bama still hasn’t made a trip to Hattiesburg. And USM is a IA team that has a 40,00 seat stadium and not a glorified HS stadium. Obviously less of an upset, but similarly devastating to the fanbase and prestige.

    Michigan should ask App back up to the Big House in ’09 instead, so’s they can make a cool 5 million along the way to restoring their good name.

    I agree whole-heartedly with the part about stomping them relentlessly, payback being a beeee-otch and whatnot.

  10. highstick 03/28/2008 at 4:34 PM #

    I’d like to know what the heck Lee “knows about the state of basketball” anyway! He’s proven that “he knows nothing about nothing”. I’m surprised Lee didn’t try to take them to Ryan’s or Cracker Barrell!

    Also, I agree about some of the App State fans. Year before last, I went into our office and one of my associates had the big newspaper headlines about National Champions taped to his office door. I wrote on the bottom…”and still can’t beat NC State”! While I’m happy for them, they aren’t ready for the “Big Show”.

    Plus do you think C D Spangler and Bill Friday won’t have an even bigger fit over another D-1 football program within the consolidated university!

  11. Noah 03/28/2008 at 5:42 PM #

    “Why give the little guy the satisfaction or notoriety of having you, mighty Michigan, trapse up the mountain to validate their monumental upset?”

    Because they beat you and there’s no point in pretending otherwise.

  12. Afterglow 03/28/2008 at 6:32 PM #

    GAWolf-to me, hearsay just doesn’t feel like evidence of anything. It may be true, it may be untrue but it’s easy to go on a tear of misinformation based off of hearsay. You may be referring to someone else’s post but I personally feel we shouldn’t get all worked up until we know for sure about something.

    I sometimes wonder if people say things like “I heard from a reliable source” just so they can bate the blog waters and see if 1. they can get something rolling or 2. see if anyone has any information that can assuage their curiosity. Over all, it just seems destructive in nature to me.

    If truly one has a reliable source than great! Chances are quite good that things will come to fruition with regards to that.

    I agree that transfers at this point may be a bad indication of the state of State. But even with that, we can only base the reasoning the individual(s) did so off of conjecture. And I guess, in essence THIS is the nature of the blogging beast.

  13. wufpup76 03/28/2008 at 7:08 PM #

    Billy Packer just said what I’ve been thinking about during these games … These football stadiums are absolutely terrible for basketball games …

    The raised floor is one thing, but you can hardly tell the crowds are there … Crowd noise sounds like it’s being artificially pumped into the stadium at low volume … ugghhhh … The atmospheres are terrible IMO

    The lust/greed for money is neverending apparently for CBS / the NCAA

  14. b 03/28/2008 at 7:17 PM #

    “Because they beat you and there’s no point in pretending otherwise.”

    Not the point. Whether or not they beat you is irrelevant. They are who they are. And we (Michigan) are who we are. It is a HUGE financial loss for Michigan to travel to Boone.

    And why exclude your regular 110,000 plus supporters, with cash falling out of their pockets, from enjoying the pimp-slapping comeuppance live themselves. Not to mention restoration of universal normalcy inside the Big House?

    Besides, what AD in this day and age will knowingly lose thousands if not millions and schedule some nobody on the road just to prove a point?

    Oh, that’s right, Jed Fowler.

  15. Noah 03/28/2008 at 7:24 PM #

    Well, it won’t happen. Bill Martin is a brilliant AD. But I would bet that Michigan fans would probably be willing to lose that money to see that beat-down.

    Regarding football stadiums…you know what the truly STUPID part of playing the games there is? The ticket money is inconsequential. You could give the tickets away. The big money is the television. The NCAA tournament is this multi-billion dollar TV package. Why be a cheapskate on something as stupid as ticket revenue?

  16. Afterglow 03/28/2008 at 7:37 PM #

    Curry is a freaking MONSTER!

  17. Noah 03/28/2008 at 7:46 PM #

    Damn. Davidson by 15.

  18. doug74 03/28/2008 at 7:51 PM #

    Wisconsin is looking kinda like us. We must’ve been on the night we played Davidson.

  19. BJD95 03/28/2008 at 7:59 PM #

    Davidson outpacing WI 31-12 in second half. Wow.

  20. Afterglow 03/28/2008 at 8:03 PM #

    Davidson looks like State if I squint my eyes and pretend like I’m on an acid trip.

  21. BJD95 03/28/2008 at 8:07 PM #

    Stephen Curry is a straight-up badass. I’m now willing to say he’s the best college player I’ve seen all year.

    They will wear their home unis for the first time this tourney if Nova wins tonight.

  22. Afterglow 03/28/2008 at 8:13 PM #

    Badass indeed… And a monster!

  23. Noah 03/28/2008 at 8:16 PM #

    How many does he have? 37?

  24. haze 03/28/2008 at 8:18 PM #

    Curry just has the feel of a guy who is growing into greatness. I mean, his NCAAT average is running 8-10pts above his 25pt/game (!!!) regular season average. Dude is just going off… even pulled that whily-gig reverse.

    Love it.

  25. BJD95 03/28/2008 at 8:19 PM #

    Think he might have outscored WI in the second half. We are setting up to see some interesting regional finals. Roy vs Pitino. Davidson vs Kansas. Texas with the home crowd vs Memphis. Good stuff.

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