Friday Basketball Bytes

=======> Congratulations to Sean Miller and Xavier! In just 4 years he has already taken Xavier to a place in the NCAA Tournament where his former boss at NC State couldn’t achieve in a decade. It’s kind of hard to blame the strength of Duke and Carolina for our failure to succeed in anything outside of playing Duke and Carolina as we have never lost to the Tar Heels or Blue Devils in the NCAA Tournament. So, it must be Xavier’s facilities!

=======> If we’ve got to find something good about NC State’s basketball season how about the fact that we defeated two different teams in this year’s Sweet 16. This unique statistic should really impress the odd set of fans who earlier in the decade were impressed by the fact that the Wolfpack played and beat teams who had won the previous year’s National Championships (Maryland, Michigan State, UConn). Just think…we actually beat these teams in the year that they were good!! Anyone have any research as to the last time we defeated two different Sweet 16 teams in a regular season?

=======> We do a great job of criticizing officials while we try to hold them accountable on this blog. So, it is only fair to provide them apporpriate praise when it is deserved. So, allow me to praise some of the officiating that I have seen in this year’s NCAA Tournament – particularly the games involving Carolina. The Tar Heels have received fairly called games, which serves to support just how well they are playing. On the other hand, I felt Clemson could have gotten a little better treatment in their first round loss to Villanova.

More importantly, I wanted to say that this years Atlantic Coast Conference Tournament was FANTASTICALLY OFFICIATED. The conference and the crews deserve credit for how well the weekend’s games in Charlotte were managed.

So, why the hell can’t the conference provide us that kind of officiating throughout the season? Why are the touch fouls that get Duke and Carolina to the line so often during the regular season suddenly not fouls in the post season? and, why is their behavior suddenly called more accurately in the post season?

If the ACC provided that kind of officiating during the regular season perhaps the league standings wouldn’t be so skewed and the league could get more teams in the NCAA Tournament! Every year we point out a couple of games that were robbed from league teams that would have made a huge difference in their seasons and in the league’s representation in the big dance.

Isn’t it interesting that in a Tournament where the officiating was generally given credit and praised that the Duke Blue Devils didn’t even make the Championship game after easily cruising through the league over 16 games of poor officiating and competing for the conference’s #1 seed?

=======> Speaking of Duke, have you seen this great entry from Dave Glenn? The dude really delivers.

Consider this: Eight times in Krzyzewski’s 28 seasons at Duke, he has led teams without a (college) All-American on the roster.

First, there was a three-year stretch (1982-84) near the beginning of his tenure, before he got the recruiting ball rolling. Second, there was a three-year stretch (1995-97) that surrounded the season in which he left the team because of a back injury and exhaustion. Finally, there have been the last two seasons (2007-08).

Duke’s production during those eight seasons without a college All-American on hand? 0 ACC titles, 0 Sweet 16s, 0 Final Fours, 0 NCAA titles.

Duke’s production during those other 20 seasons under Coach K? 10 ACC titles, 17 Sweet 16s, 10 Final Fours, 3 NCAA titles.

When Duke won NCAA titles (1991, 1992, 2001) under Coach K, its best players were All-Americans such as Christian Laettner, Bobby Hurley, Grant Hill, Shane Battier and Jason Williams. All five made the ACC’s 50-man 50th anniversary team, selected in 2002

=======> Color me confused.

NC State has just signed an agreement to play both Florida and Arizona in home and home basketball series in the coming years. We have a conversation about it here.

A little birdie close to the UF Athletics Deparment told me that the Gators are really excited about this series as they have been trying to schedule a non-FSU-ACC game for years.

Really? Looks like another of the absurd HSSS-contrived myths takes another public hit. I’m sure remember the bunk that the HSSS crowd and Lee Fowler constantly spun in response to fans’ frustrations with NC State’s embarassing out of conference records. Remember how we tried so hard and nobody would play us? Remember how Herb’s great connections to Pitino, Tubby, Donovan and others were supposed to be a big benefit for us, yet we somehow never saw any positive by-product of those relationships?

Speaking of close relationships, Roy Williams and Coach K speak longer to each other during a post-game handshake than Herb and Donovan did this week after the Gators knocked the Sun Devils out of the NIT in Phoenix. So much for a claim of deserving to be in the NCAA.

=======> Click here for BIG NEWS!! I mean BIG NEWS!!! You can’t miss it!!! And I guaran-damn-tee you that NC State’s Athletics department paid for it.

=======> I’m not having any problem with Davidson’s run to success in this year’s NCAA Tournament.

Not only are the Wildcats generally very likeable, they lost to NC State, Duke, and UNC-Ch THIS YEAR. That keeps all of their fans in their place when it comes to obscene stretches of reality…unlike the mighty midgets of Appalachian State whose fans have become so insufferable that nobody in the region can pull for them anymore.

For example, in 2006 App State won their second National Championship in a row. Congratulations. In the first game of that season, one of the worst NC State football teams of the last 20 years absolutely dominated the mighty midgets in Raleigh. The Wolfpack were obviously physically superior and shut down the midgets while only scoring 24 points as our TIGHT END played quarterback.

Last season, Wofford defeated App State just a few of weeks after being demolished by arguably our WORST team in 20 years. Later in the 2007, the Mountaineers needed a miracle to defeat James Madison who had been manhandled by Carolina earlier in the year. Yet, none of this is enough to keep the mighty midgets fans mouths shut. They can’t just be happy that they are the best of the midgets. Invariably, almost all ASU fans bridge their boasting of their national championships into stretches of how they are the best team in North Carolina and how they can compete in the ACC.

Puhlease. I leave you the following 16 second video from the last time the Wolfpack and the Mountaineers played to highlight the physical difference between playing with the midgets and playing with the big boys.

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107 Responses to Friday Basketball Bytes

  1. packbackr04 03/28/2008 at 12:45 PM #

    afterglow^^

    yeah, i remember when it was mentioned here, it was prefaced by saying it was just heresay, but i just want to know who will be with the team next yr. We were terrible this yr, i mean awful. i dont wish any ill will on anyone, but it would not hurt my feelings to have a few players from this last yrs roster transfer. truthfully, i really wouldnt miss too many players from last years team

  2. Afterglow 03/28/2008 at 12:47 PM #

    I’m not sure which is more disturbing; Bobby knights pink shirt or Dickey V fawning over UNX and Travel Hansjobler.

    As for Sean Miller, he will be a good steal for someone down the road if he doesn’t stay at Xavier. As for Archie Miller; I don’t know, I just don’t see it.

  3. packbackr04 03/28/2008 at 12:48 PM #

    noah, please tell me its MJ

  4. Noah 03/28/2008 at 12:49 PM #

    Who would you rather have?

    Scott Drew, Tom Davis Jr., Scott Pelphrey or Archie Miller?

    SFN: You mean John Pelphrey? Pelphrey or Drew before doing more research.

  5. Noah 03/28/2008 at 12:49 PM #

    Gah…not Archie…Sean.

  6. packof81 03/28/2008 at 1:05 PM #

    Happy Appy is still a partying teacher’s school. I had some buddies there but that was long before they won the Div II championship and got all uppity. Yeah, our worst team goes through them like crap through a goose and yet they strut like the cock of the walk. LSU will hand the Mountainqueers their asses.

  7. wufpup76 03/28/2008 at 1:10 PM #

    “Who would you rather have?

    Scott Drew, Tom Davis Jr., Scott Pelphrey or Sean Miller?”

    If I had to make a call on one of those 4 RIGHT NOW, I would tend to go with Sean Miller slightly ahead of Scott Drew

    Sean Miller has created and sustained success at Xavier for a few years now, and what Scott Drew has done at Baylor is nothing short of remarkable … I give Sean the edge b/c of postseason success to this point

    Keno Davis has extremely limited experience, which counts him out for me for now – and Pelphrey just got done w/ his first season at a power conference school …

    I know Xavier and Sean Miller are in the A10, but that league is nothing to laugh at and take a look at some of the programs Xavier has beaten the past couple of seasons (hint: some of them are power conference teams … good ones too)

  8. Trip 03/28/2008 at 1:18 PM #

    MJ has already transferred once, unless he takes a division drop he probably won’t transfer again. I still say he’d make an acceptable small forward, I think his persistence to play PG when his strengths are not for that position is only hurting him. Man up and post up I say. When Mays comes to town-assuming he can dribble with both hands- MJ will have to consider changing spots or improving drastically over the summer if he wants PT.

    The Horner thing WAS hearsay. No true evidence to back it up, I mentioned it a week ago.

    If I had my choice of coaches that we’d have a CHANCE at, I’d take Bennett from Washington State.

  9. wolfbuff 03/28/2008 at 1:22 PM #

    Bennett from Washington St? No way. His offense is just like (our previous coach)’s. Modern running teams with lots o’ talent will have their way with that kind of team 9 times out of 10.

  10. Afterglow 03/28/2008 at 1:34 PM #

    packbackr04-I think the team perspective needs to change more than anything which starts with the coaching. Granted, it would be great if the player turn over could be easily re-stocked with others until the right chemistry is found but that’s just not the case. Sid needs to do some things in the off season to change the whole mentality of the team. I don’t necessarily believe that players need to leave because our problems will still be the same if Sid isn’t willing to put down the iron fist and put some of these players in their place.

    Perhaps your right in that, players leaving for the highway rather than Sid’s way would be a good sign. But if Sid can’t manage the players, then the problem will exist regardless of who we have player wise. Let’s hope that Sid has learned and is willing to change-because I believe a lot of this is on his shoulders and not the players.

    It’s like the unruly kid at the supermarket that the parent can’t control. Every now and then you get a Damien in the mix or a bad seed but nine times out of ten, a parent’s consistent inability to control their kid is their own fault.

    I hope and actually to some extent believe this CAN happen with Sid. “If you guys don’t believe, if any of you can’t have the same dream I do, then get the hell out of here because I don’t want you around. If it’s three or five or whatever, we’ll go on without you. We lost a player, but that’s over with. I didn’t promise it would be easy. It’s a long, hard struggle. But we will get this thing done with or without you.” Jim Valvano.

  11. Noah 03/28/2008 at 1:35 PM #

    “Bennett from Washington St? No way. His offense is just like (our previous coach)’s”

    So you wouldn’t take the Wisconsin coach?

  12. Afterglow 03/28/2008 at 1:39 PM #

    Sean Miller.

  13. LRM 03/28/2008 at 1:40 PM #

    For the record, App is a Division I team, not Division II. They are Division I Champiosnhip Subdivision (formerly Division I-AA), there is a difference. Moreover, it is only a football classification and doesn’t pertain in any way to basketball.

    It’s one of the details many of the most ardent college football fans fail to understand.

  14. StateFans 03/28/2008 at 1:53 PM #

    Our basketball coaches need to commit themselves to doing what it takes to win and a diligent work ethic before they can ask the same of the young men under their leadership.

  15. eas 03/28/2008 at 1:57 PM #

    I agree that Sean Miller will be a good catch for someone. To bad it will not be in Raleigh. Unfortunately our situation has become worse with the fact that no coach with any success (current that is) would give us a thought unless we paid them 25 million a year……Being an ACC coach used to be a big draw but it isn’t enough anymore.

  16. primacyone 03/28/2008 at 1:57 PM #

    “packgrad93
    Mar 28th, 2008 at 9:42 am
    “And I guaran-damn-tee you that NC State’s Athletics department paid for it.”

    I’ve eaten in the Angus Barn’s wine celler before, very nice.”

    Did you wear blue jeans like Mr. Fowler? You would think he would have on a red sport coat.

  17. Afterglow 03/28/2008 at 2:06 PM #

    “Our basketball coaches need to commit themselves to doing what it takes to win and a diligent work ethic before they can ask the same of the young men under their leadership.”

    Totally agree.

  18. Par Shooter 03/28/2008 at 2:11 PM #

    Jeebus, did anybody look at the picture in the linked gopack article? Fowler was presumably trying to wine n dine Packer and Nantz. I have no problem with the concept and if “Coach” were someone who represented our interests well then I’d have called it a shrewd move. But the stupid mf’er shows up to a dinner like this in blue jeans? I know it’s the barn and blue jeans are allowed and maybe even part of the charm, but for a schmoozing dinner in the wine cellar you are an absolute dolt if you are the most underdressed person in the room.

    “Howdy guys, I thought I’d buy ya’ll dinner on NC State’s nickel. Of course, it’s not important enough for me to bother to put on a pair of dress slacks but let me tell you how on top of things we are.”

  19. Noah 03/28/2008 at 2:13 PM #

    I’m trying to remember where I read it…Esquire’s Black Book or something…but there’s a rule about power and being the worst-dressed guy in the room.

  20. Par Shooter 03/28/2008 at 2:25 PM #

    I actually shudder thinking about Fowler down there with Nantz/Packer and some of the completely idiotic things he undoubtedly said. Don’t you know those 2 guys were dying to get the hell out of dodge when that dinner ended. And I would bet the $$ in my pocket that Fowler tried really hard to weasel some tickets and/or special access at Augusta. I’m sure he was mostly looking out for #1 rather than actually trying to represent NC State in a professional light.

  21. wufpup76 03/28/2008 at 2:26 PM #

    “For the record, App is a Division I team, not Division II”

    You’re right … my post should’ve said Division IA or Bowl Division …

    slight silp-up … apologies

  22. Par Shooter 03/28/2008 at 2:28 PM #

    I don’t read Esquire. If their advice for professional settings is to dress worse than everyone else then I don’t think I’m missing much.

  23. Noah 03/28/2008 at 2:43 PM #

    “If their advice for professional settings is to dress worse than everyone else then I don’t think I’m missing much.”

    Ha! 🙂

    Flip it around. The rule was to AVOID those situations.

  24. whitefang 03/28/2008 at 2:46 PM #

    Here in the western part of NC, I have heard more than enough from the App midgets about how great they are and the best fb team in NC. I remember well my friends from App begging and borrowing tickets to the game in 2006 because they believed they had a great chance to win (frankly I did too). They have a lot of selective memory about how close that game was.
    They THINK they are a step away from Div. 1 now.
    However if they took the time to figure out what it takes in NCAA rules – scholarships in other sports, # of HOME Div 1 games (who the hell in Div 1 is going to be able to afford to travel to Boone for that gate?) etc. they would see they are a lot farther away than an upset against Michigan from making this transition.
    I used to pull for them, but now I just want them to STFU.

  25. Par Shooter 03/28/2008 at 2:48 PM #

    AH!! Makes much more sense now. I was scratching my head and trying to figure out how being the worst dressed in the room granted power. I was struggling with the logic.

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