Thursday Night Bytes

Some quick basketball comments of interest:

* Due to the performance of some of our opponents, NC State has crept to #37 in the RPI having played the 27th toughest schedule in America. You can expect that SOS to only get more difficult at State still has four (of eight) games against teams that look NCAA Tournament bound – @ Maryland, vs UNC-CH, vs Duke, vs Clemson.

* Speaking of Clemson…the Tigers won by 31 points at Virginia tonight. That is great for the ACC and potentially for NC State. The conference NEEDS for there to be a couple of bad teams to feed wins to our ‘2nd tier’ that I think consists of Clemson, Maryland and NC State. Similarly, I refer you to some comments made in this entry for more clarity on this:

The Atlantic Coast Conference exhibits phenomenal balance across twelve teams and is currently the top rated conference in the RPI. For example, the ACC doesn’t have a team with an RPI currently worse than #86 while the Pac-10 four teams with RPI’s worse than the 12th team in the ACC – Washington, Arizona State, California and Oregon State. You read that correctly. The great Arizona State that the media has been lauding as such a succeess story currently sits at #91 in the RPI, forty spots behind NC State and five spots behind the ACC’s worst team.

The ACC’s balance is fantastic. But after listening to idiots like Doug Gottlieb last night who extolled his unwaivering conviction that the Pac 10 is clearly the best conference in America because it is so difficult “from to to bottom”, I am concerned that the ACC’s depth of balance is not being appreciated by the college basketball community and therefore will ultimately hurt the league’s chances of obtaining our fair share of NCAA Tournament bids.

Therefore, I think that it is imperative that the ACC needs more teams to establish themselves as clear NCAA Tournament teams while creating a more clear differentiation between the haves and the have nots. Basically, it would be better for the conference for some teams to start succeeding at the expense of other teams. For example, it would be particular helpful if Boston College, Virginia, Virginia Tech and Wake Forest started losing more to NC State, Clemson, Miami, Maryland and Florida State.

* Virginia has gotten so bad that we almost MUST win our game there next weekend to protect our RPI from taking too big of hit. A loss would be really tough on our numbers.

* Fox Sports Jeff Goodman made some interesting comments in this blog entry titled “N.C. STATE BETTER WITHOUT COSTNER?”

Hickson, who went to the foul line 17 times last night (Virginia Tech went just 10), said he has also begun to understand that the NBA will still be there for him and he doesn’t need to push the envelope. “I’m starting to trust my teammates more,” he said. “If our guards make open shots, it’s only going to free me up for shots later in the season.”

* Goodman wrote a blog entry a couple of weeks ago where called NC State the nation’s “biggest disappointment”. We didn’t link to the comments because we thought that they were a tad premature. Additionally, we were particularly perplexed that these comments would come from Goodman without any focus on the loss to injury of Farnold Degand – Not only is/was Degand’s injury very relevant to mitigating labels like ‘diasappointment’, but it was Goodman who wrote a very insightful piece into the value of Degand over the offseason before most other media outlets had ever heard of Degand. In light of Goodman’s obvious understanding of both Degand’s virtues and the point guard situation at NC State one would think that he would be a little more fair and patient in such extreme labels.

* It is obvious that Maryland is making a serious run at being the #3 team in the ACC. Clemson looks okay for the #4 spot, but that is certainly attainable for us as well. The Terps RPI continues to be hurt by their poor early season OOC performance.

* Positioning for the ACC Tournament is key, as we may very well need a ACCT win or 2 to get in due to the difficulty of the remainder of our schedule. We may end up in one of those situations where our RPI is on the bubble, but our total wins are optically a little light around 17 or 18 wins (ECU and UNO continue to haunt us).

* Obviously, a top 4 seed means a bye Thursday. But its also important to fininish no worse than 6th. 5th place gets you the #12 team on Thursday, and slots you against the #4 team on Friday. 6th place gets you the #11 team on Thursday, and slots you against the #3 team on Friday. I think we can beat anyone in the ACCT not named Duke or UNC. Duke and UNC are going to finish #1 and #2, so we need to avoid them early. Therefore, we want to avound finishing 8/9 or 7/10. We need VT to start losing some games. Their schedule is so easy that they could stand in our way of finishing in the top 6, even though we are a better basketball team.

* Got a nice note from a reader the other day stemming from some of our comments after the Wake Forest win,

Man, I’m glad you mentioned the “sudden” ability to win close games. THAT was my No. 2 gripe about Herb Sendek — his teams, reflecting his personality, folded in the final minutes of a tight game. The UConn/Sweet 16 win was remarkable because it was that rare, rare, RARE Herb game when the final play/final shot WORKED — and that was because Julius waved off the TO.

Plus, the switch to the zone late in the second half, which worked. And once again no lead is safe — 12 point deficit to FSU in the first half, 9 point deficit to Wake midway through the 2nd half.

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46 Responses to Thursday Night Bytes

  1. packgrad93 02/08/2008 at 12:28 PM #

    any updates on Favors, Wall, Brown, Kelly, etc…?

  2. Mike 02/08/2008 at 1:11 PM #

    Here is another interesting note, and sorry for hijacking the thread. LSU just canned Brady. And I thought he was a fantastic coach – after all Lee wanted him badly, and if there is one thing LF knows it is basketball.

  3. TNCSU 02/08/2008 at 1:11 PM #

    All I know is that from what I’ve heard Favors could go pro without the new (1 yr removed from H.S.) rule, so he’s most likely a one and doner — not that there’s anything wrong with that as long as you plan for it. Matter of fact, I think a few of those mixed in with 4 year guys is a great way to go.

  4. packgrad93 02/08/2008 at 1:17 PM #

    ^ we need a very good big in ’09 since they’ll probably START!

  5. Ed89 02/08/2008 at 1:27 PM #

    from Wood: “My coaches have confidence in me,” he said. “I feel like once I cross halfcourt I can take and make a shot. I am pretty much able to shoot from wherever I want on the court.

    i like that, combined with 16-16 from the line for Mays, that sounds like both can shoot. i think we need a pf for 09, but i have a feeling wall is #1 prospect followed by the pf.

  6. packgrad93 02/08/2008 at 1:31 PM #

    ^ not a PF, a center. we have no one right now

  7. Dr. BadgerPack 02/08/2008 at 1:48 PM #

    Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere: since this thread discusses the ACC landscape, I wonder what impact Isaiah Swann’s torn ACL will have– he is out indefinitely.

  8. Ed89 02/08/2008 at 2:14 PM #

    i think fsu was hurting before, but now i predict they’ll finish 11th — just in front of uva.

  9. Rochester 02/08/2008 at 2:22 PM #

    Swann’s injury sure doesn’t help FSU, but I think they were dead in the water anyway. If it had been Douglas they’d really be done. But Swann was third on the team in scoring at 11.8 per game. They will miss him.

  10. Dr. BadgerPack 02/08/2008 at 4:10 PM #

    So in the middle group, Wake, BC, Miami, Maryland and State have games remaining against FSU. GT lost their one and only meeting early on, and the Swann injury game was the win against Miami. Assuming FSU bottoms out, that’s a critical win for each team in the bubble area to possess (RPI ramifications/win total). I suppose it is MOST critical for Miami to win, as they already hold one loss against FSU. Other notes include Maryland and State host their matchups against FSU, while the other three bubble teams head to Tallahassee.

  11. lush 02/08/2008 at 4:57 PM #

    “not a PF, a center. we have no one right now”

    please explain what the difference is?

  12. TNCSU 02/08/2008 at 7:23 PM #

    You definitely don’t need a prototypical C in college (see Duke, who barely has a PF – if you call Singler a PF. He’s a hybrid 3/4. I think JJ is close to a true 5. Actually, Big Ben is more of a 5 than a 4. BC is more of a 4. I think T. Smith is a 4. As a 4, it helps if you can step out and hit the long jumper. As a 5, it is not required, IMO. The 3 definitely needs to be able to hit the 3 – see GG and Horner. Those are my thoughts. That being said, in ’09, both Big Ben and very, very likely, JJ will be gone. I won’t even bring up BC – he’ll be a RS senior. Favors could easily step in and start….I’m just saying if you’re a coach and you’re offering a chance a playing time…

    1 – Wall/Javi/Degand/Johnson
    2 – Mays/Thomas/Williams/Wood/Fergie
    3 – Horner/
    4 – BC/Smith
    5 – ???? (JJ – right!!!) how about Favors

    Actually, after quickly doing the numbers, we look like we’ll be loaded at the 1/2, and we would definitely need some frontline players in ’09 — Ryan Kelly??? Truthfully, I don’t know much about the ’09 “True” Centers. Maybe ShootingGuard or PrimacyOne know…

    Fun to speculate, but right now the emphasis should be beating the Terps!!

  13. Primewolf 02/08/2008 at 8:38 PM #

    Costner will be back better than the player he was last year, but it will be next year, IMO. He will lose a bunch of weight, gain muscle and get into shape. That will turn his mental image positive.

    We have to beat UVa, FSU, Md or Clemson, WF, and BC. If we do that, I think we are in, regardless of tourney.

  14. Rochester 02/08/2008 at 10:45 PM #

    Virginia is pretty terrible right now. To lose to them would hurt in a lot of ways. They are basically Singletary and four guys from the stands. If you shut him down the rest of that team looks pretty helpless. Just ask Clemson. Dave Leitao looked like a genius until J.R. Reynolds graduated. Now he looks like a guy who can’t recruit. When Singletary graduates they might take sucking to a whole new level.

  15. JeremyH 02/09/2008 at 12:40 AM #

    that sucks, and they just built that pretty new arena better than ours..

  16. JeremyH 02/09/2008 at 2:34 AM #

    I think this is a response from Lowe regarding a radio show comment, but it is interesting that he is taking this criticism of one of his players head on:
    http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow/index.php?title=pack_s_lowe_defends_cosnter&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

    And this makes me think, and I’m not innocent in regards to brutal honesty but we should consider, especially with the rising popularity of this site, anyone and everyone with an interest in pack hoops could be potentially reading our comments, and we should at least be aware of that. forgive me for stating what to many of you deem the obvious.

  17. TNCSU 02/09/2008 at 6:48 AM #

    ^^Good point, JeremyH!

    And I agree that BC will be back – a much improved player!

  18. westwolf 02/09/2008 at 3:10 PM #

    I’m a little concerned that Wood had not been recruited by Indiana, Purdue, or even Ball State. What would we say about a guard from North Carolina who was not recruited by anyone in the Acc, especially if grades weren’t an issue?

  19. Rochester 02/09/2008 at 3:43 PM #

    Says in the Chronicle-Tribune that he was offered by Butler, Va. Tech, Miami, and Pitt, and Florida was showing interest recently. Bob Gibbons called him a top-100, with potential to rise into the top 50. I think this is a good signing for us.

  20. Ismael 02/09/2008 at 6:46 PM #

    as for Wood and offers, i think its just one of those things…Sidney was on him early and he had probably made it clear to programs, if you look at the article, that he knew a longgg time ago that he wanted to play at NCSU…colleges here that and they back off on people cuz its wasted time. If he’s a legit top 50 player like what’s-his-face recruiting guru says…he’d have 40 D-I offers just like every other top 50 recruit.

  21. packgrad93 02/11/2008 at 8:56 AM #

    “please explain what the difference is?”

    you don’t know the difference between a PF & a C?

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