Facing the Facts – BJD Writes Off 2007-08

I hate to say it, and it makes me mad as hell to do so. But 2007-08 must be written off as a “learning year” for Sidney Lowe. Despite being an ACC school with all the institutional infrastructure needed to win, NC State is employing yet another head coach who has to learn on the job. After last night, there’s really no room for debate.

Go back to our post from a few weeks back, where we made clear that the offseason was handled very poorly:

It is time to call it as we see it — I honestly believe that the members of this program could not have done less in the offseason to prepare for the 2007-2008 Basketball season and everyone involved in NC State Basketball from Lee Fowler to the student manager owes Wolfpack Nation a huge apology.

I said it multiple times in the early season and I don’t understand how so many people in the media and on the internet don’t grasp it as they continue to wait for a big change &/or predict a turnaround. Our problems are fundamentally systemic. There is NO SWITCH to flip here to get things fixed. Players don’t just have epiphanies and start playing exponentially better when your problems include significant breakdowns of fundamentals like not playing defense, not boxing out/rebounding, not being able to shoot, not having a point guard or an offensive system that flows. We SUCK at the basic things that a team must do to compete in COLLEGE basketball.

More specifically, we told you:

At the start of this season I spoke with a few folks who are historically close to our program and two specifc comments in struck a chord with me at the time.

The first comment was related to conditioning (or the lack thereof). One gentleman shared that he “hadn’t seen bodies this out of shape on an NC State team since his relationship started with Coach Robinson almost 20 years ago.”

I knew what he meant the moment the team stepped on the court against William & Mary in November and it has manifested itself during the season. I have rarely seen a college team look more lethargic, slow, and disengaged than what we are witnessing this year.

…A poster on Pack Pride’s message boards astutely commented today “If you look at the muscle definition on the UNC and Clemson players and then look at our guys, you will see the difference. Other teams pay the price in the weight room. We clearly do not. Our guys, with the exception of Hickson and Tracy, physically look like a pick up squad of off-work bankers.”

Last week, I laid out a scenario to get to 8-8. Presently, one section is particularly relevant – it addresses the 50/50 road games left on our schedule. All 3 games are against inferior teams on a talent basis, that don’t present bad matchups. Here’s what I said:

Getting 2 out of 3 here would be huge, and probably necessary. Let me clarify what I mean by inferior – on a neutral court, I would expect NC State to be favored against all 3. Of course, if we play poorly (like we did in the home matchup against Wake), all bets are off. But I like our roster better than each opponent’s, and there are no bad matchups for us (no great outside shooting or multiple, dynamic guards).

If Fells can shut down or at least suppress Rice, Singletary, and Teague – then State is better at the other positions. I also expect momentum and motive to work in NC State’s favor – Boston College is in freefall, and Virginia is showing signs of weariness (due to their coach being a raving lunatic in the mold of his asshole mentor, Jim Calhoun). These two also have a somewhat lackluster home-court advantage. BC is worse than their record indicates, and UVA is better (3 of their ACC losses have come in overtime).

I haven’t changed my mind about BC – they are worse than their record indicates. I still think they only have one good player. But note my caveat – if Fells can shut down or at least supress Rice.

In what can only be described as a bizarre decision, Lowe decided to task his undersized, true freshman PG with guarding Rice. By the second TV timeout, Rice had eleven points. I suppose Fells guarded whichever stiff the Eagles had on the court at SG. There was no rational reason to expect this to work. And anyone could see, that it wasn’t working. But aside from a handful of first half minutes when Grant guarded him, Lowe stubbornly left Javi and MJ to deal with Rice. Naturally, he went on to tie his career high of 32 points, accounting for 39% of BC’s scoring (not counting assists related to shaking off Javi and forcing the defense to rotate). Even if Fells was destined to play in a haze, Rice at least couldn’t have shot over him at will.

Last night was a microcosm of the many problems within the program. Guys take plays, or even whole games off. Sid shakes his head in frustration (Note to Sid – that won’t accomplish squat) – he doesn’t seem to know what to do. I don’t know if it’s a question of preparation, motivation, or both. But it is Sid’s job to fix it. And it sucks to waste an entire (once promising) season because our coach isn’t ready and is learning on the job.

But our situation is what it is. There’s no way anyone should remotely consider tossing Sid (or any coach) overboard in their first two years of a rebuilding situation. It would be unfair, expensive, and definitely make our program look bad. We hired a guy who has to learn – so let’s see if he can do it. That does not mean SFN is handing out free passes. Writing off one year for “learning” is all that I’m willing to do. We need to see evidence of maturation in three categories next year. The mileposts are difficult, but necessary.

1) Significant Objective Improvement Next Year, Despite Losing Our Two Best Players. Yes, this is a tall order – but that’s just too bad. Another bad season means defining NC State as a losing program. An NCAAT bid would meet this criteria, maybe less than that if we earn an A+ for item #2 below.

2) Consistent Effort on Both Ends of the Floor. That likely requires more sticks and fewer carrots. This isn’t the NBA, where the players make more than you and have to be handled with velvet gloves. Guys that don’t want to play hard for 40 minutes should sit on the bench, then be forced out of the program. Despite what I’ve written above, I’m not trying to micromanage here – whatever motivational strategy Sid wants to use is fine with me. As long as it works. He has to figure that out starting with the 2008-09 season.

3) Sign Top Ten Class for 2009. This class must include a superstar, ready from Day One PG (likely Wall, other targets may exist) and another dominant player, such as Favors or Brown. The talent level on the roster is Les Robinson-caliber without a stud class for 2009. More role players aren’t going to cut it. You need multiple stars and a top-notch PG to have any shot to win in the ACC.

That’s pretty much it. Let us know your thoughts.

About BJD95

1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

07-08 Basketball Sidney Lowe

127 Responses to Facing the Facts – BJD Writes Off 2007-08

  1. JimValvano 02/15/2008 at 3:05 PM #

    Xavier?

  2. EverettBeez 02/15/2008 at 3:08 PM #

    packof81 hits my feelings exactly – the season isn’t over till its actually over – but it sure looks good. You can actually see the fat lady standing at the end of the court, there were the organ use to be at Reynolds, getting ready to walk out and sing.

    Ah, organ music during basketball games. Good memories. That and Mrs Sloan singing the national anthem.

    New AD? Who do we get? The State grad running things at App State jumps to mind immediately.

  3. packplantpath 02/15/2008 at 3:09 PM #

    Regarding the assistant coaches comment earlier: When the head coach you finally get is the 3rd or 4th pick, and doesn’t exactly have a great track record, do you really expect good assistant coaches to come unless they have an association to the school?

  4. VaWolf82 02/15/2008 at 3:15 PM #

    We’ve had some good wins

    Oh really? Would you care to name them?

  5. LRM 02/15/2008 at 3:16 PM #

    You know, it feels good being back in the lunatic fringe.

  6. tvp1 02/15/2008 at 3:18 PM #

    “That team had some weird injuries / illnesses that dogged them through Dec, Jan, and early Feb. They got healthy and hot and went to the Sweet 16.

    I don’t see anyone, who’s going to come back from injury or a sick bed, to provide a spark for this team.”

    I think we had some injuries that year, but that’s not really how I remember the turnaround happening. I think it was a pretty drastic turn around. Just like our drastic turnaround at the end of last season, or during football season. Who saw either of those coming?

    I come down more on the JimValvano side here. I have just see our teams inexplicably get hot or totally collapse too many times to think that we can accurately predict the future based on past performance.

  7. JimValvano 02/15/2008 at 3:19 PM #

    we beat…ummm…Providence, St. Johns, Florida State, Miami, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, and we beat Rider. Those aren’t “really good wins” but I’d consider them good wins against other bubble teams.

    VaWolf: Only Miami is in the RPI Top 50 and that won’t last much longer. State has no good wins this year.

  8. 44legend 02/15/2008 at 3:23 PM #

    Seton Hall and Villanova, not St. John’s and Providence

  9. mwcric 02/15/2008 at 3:23 PM #

    Packplantpath,

    That’s true, but I guess what I was hoping was a staff that was truly invested in the university as alums would be able to spark some passion out of their players if nothing else.

    What confuses me is that, if most of the readers here can surmise that Fells would’ve been the best choice to defend Rice last night, why couldn’t any of the assistants make the same assessment and tell Sid (and why wouldn’t he have been able to see it anyway)? Granted, we only know a fraction about the team and its workings, so there could’ve been a very good reason, but still…

    I guess I was naieve, but when I heard that Lowe and Towe both would be coaching, I envisioned a really heady, competitive, balls to the wall brand of basketball. I will say, though, that I voiced reservations about Lowe and applying the NBA game to the college level. All the talk about how he’d attract good recruits due to his connections in the NBA never rang true to me, as each year he was away from the League he’d face diminishing returns, logically speaking.

    I too wish Whitt had been given a chance.

    I also wish Brackman and Simmons had stuck around for a couple more years.

  10. LRM 02/15/2008 at 3:24 PM #

    Providence? St. John’s?

    You just lost ANY credibility you had.

    We’ve played neither of those.

  11. jnew 02/15/2008 at 3:31 PM #

    JimValvano how can you respond with Xavier to choppacks question????

    Here is what he asked:

    “Please name one respectable program in the country that continually tanks in the regular season, yet wins it’s conference tourney to advance to the NCAAs.”

    Man Xavier always makes it to the NCAAs and they are always a respectable program. There have been many years that they did not have to (and actually didn’t) win their conference tourney to get into the big dance.

    2007 – Xavier was a 9 seed in NCAA tourney and got an at large bid
    2006 – Xavier was a 14 seed and conference champion and got in but they were 21-10 that year so I hardly think they tanked their regular season.
    2004 – Xavier was a 7 seed and was 23-10 (enough said)
    2003 – Xavier was a 3 seed (obviously didn’t tank regular season)
    2002 – Xavier was a 7 seed (obviously didn’t tank regular season)
    2001 – Xavier was a 11 seed (don’t know record but hard to believe they TANKED their regular season and won their conference tourney)

    Anyways, there you go for this century, so your answer of Xavier makes no sense. The point is, don’t expect us to win the ACC tourney because it is almost impossible to find a good team that continuously tanks their regular season and goes on to win their conference tourney on a consistent basis (at least in the ACC).

    Again, I hope you enjoy the rest of the season….you are setting yourself up for a bigger disappointment than what has already happened if you think we can turn this thing around.

  12. ktoh 02/15/2008 at 3:36 PM #

    ok if we wish to write the season off fine,but a new direction is in order and it starts with the coach…….this team runs a cyo offense you cannot rely on tranfer point guards………you have xavier dribbling back and forth not going anywhere he would have a tough time playing for my hs team.last yr ok herb left you get a pass on bringing in new guys,but there is not a guard on that team…………….gun to your head there are quite a few more freshman that would help more than hickson,kid has loads of talent but zero bball iq

  13. LRM 02/15/2008 at 3:38 PM #

    ummm….huh??

  14. jnew 02/15/2008 at 3:48 PM #

    who is xavier????

  15. BJD95 02/15/2008 at 3:49 PM #

    By “writing off” I don’t mean not watching or cheering. I mean having zero expectation or hope for righting the ship. Lowe needs to learn some lessons, and teach a few as well. He has maybe 7-8 games left to tinker with before the grading pen comes out.

    VaWolf is right – we have no good wins. None of the teams we have beaten would get an at-large NCAAT invite. I don’t think any even qualify for bubble status. Sad.

  16. LRM 02/15/2008 at 3:53 PM #

    BJD,
    What are you talking about? Those wins over Providence (90) and St. Johns (137) were HUGE.

  17. mwcric 02/15/2008 at 3:55 PM #

    Speaking of Xavier…if/when a coaching search is necessary in the next couple of years (I don’t think it will be), I’d start there.

  18. jnew 02/15/2008 at 3:57 PM #

    Look, I don’t mean to be getting on JimmyValvano. We are all Pack fans, I just don’t need anyone telling me I am wrong for believing that there is nothing to look forward to in basketball this year. Trust me, it hurts me more to say that than it hurts you to hear that JimmyValvano. I am usually an optimist thinking well if we could win here and they lose here we can still do this and do that. But no more, Pack basketball has played with my emotions enough this year to let it happen again. So I will take the route of sitting back and watching but not expecting shit anymore this year. There is no reason too!

  19. 44legend 02/15/2008 at 4:01 PM #

    Villanova, Seton Hall, Cincy are games we’ve come accustomed to losing. They aren’t “great” but I’ll take them. The real trouble here is the losses, not the wins…duh!

    Specifically starting with EZU and NO. Regarding NO, remember we would have won had the f n nets not been so tight…despite the miracle shot. EZU is bound to beat an ACC team at some point…I “kind of” pin this one on Jed, but in reality there was no excuse.

    2 others were last night and FSU…although they are more understandable being in conference.

    Effort is the last straw for the masses though. That’s why there is the outcry…not even necessarily the results SO QUIT BELITTLING THE ACTUAL GOOD STUFF. (OOC wins)

  20. packer74 02/15/2008 at 4:09 PM #

    The W’s over Nova and Seton Hall don’t hold much punch anymore since both those teams are lower tier in the Big East. Our ACC wins aren’t all that impressive (three by 3 or less points) and there are the five stinker, double-digit losses in the conference. With the remaining schedule including a very weak UVA, this team could find itself needing a first round win in the ACC tournament just to finish at .500 to make the Not Invited Tournament. I am not ready to throw Sid under the bus yet. But I sure am tired of watching the error filled, Ground Hog day basketball this bunch plays.

  21. JimValvano 02/15/2008 at 4:26 PM #

    My reference to Villanova and St. Johns was on purpose to show:

    1. My disrespect for the Big Least alsorans…the two listed and the two we DID beat
    2. My disrespect for the scheduling
    3. To show the need to reach for good wins

    My reference to Xavier was another one of those reaches. Both topics were basically to reinforce what had been previously posted. I listed a bunch of teams…minus Rider and New Orleans…that are in the lower tier of their leagues as our good wins. Think about it.

    With all that having been said…we’re due.

  22. JimValvano 02/15/2008 at 4:28 PM #

    Seton Hall not St. Johns…

    anyhow…you get my point. They’re all mediocre

  23. 44legend 02/15/2008 at 4:39 PM #

    but I thought you were trying to cheer us up JimmyV? Et tu?

  24. newt 02/15/2008 at 4:42 PM #

    “I think Coach K(as much as I detest his ass) could have taken these boys to at least the Sweet 16.”

    There is not one example of Coach K taking a team with this level of talent even to the NCAA tournament, much less the Sweet 16.

    I agree with the emphasis on recruiting and believe Lowe understands the type of recruiting needed to reach our goals. Lowe did the right thing recruiting JJ and making him the center of attention.

    How the team plays the next two years is not all that relevant to the big picture.

    That said, we’ve lost twice at home and four of our last six games are home games. This ain’t over.

  25. Rick 02/15/2008 at 4:46 PM #

    “I agree with the emphasis on recruiting and believe Lowe understands the type of recruiting needed to reach our goals. Lowe did the right thing recruiting JJ and making him the center of attention.”

    This is a great point as I know Lowe is putting the hard push on Wall.

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