Denial Runs Deep at NC State

I didn’t expect to get even madder when I read the sports page this morning. But then I read these quotes from Ben McCauley:

“It may seem like it but we’re still trying to [win],” junior forward Ben McCauley said. “We’re definitely trying to.

“I don’t think we’ve forgotten how to win [but] I think we’re kind of one step behind. We’re almost there.”

Almost there? Are you fucking kidding me? The last place team, the team who was winless against non-Boston College ACC foes, was beating you by 27 early in the second half. Maybe there’s a new meaning for “almost” that I just haven’t heard of yet.

How do we get out of this mess? Pretty simple, says Big Ben:

“We have to win these last three games and do very well in the ACC Tournament,” McCauley said. “If not win it, get to the finals and hope for the best. But we can’t think about the ACC Tournament right now. We got to win these last three games.”

How about a manageable goal – like showing up ready and fucking willing to play hard for a full 40 minutes. Just once. Then talk about how motivated everyone will be in the offseason to work hard, get in shape, and make sure they never have to suffer such humiliation ever again. Forget the NCAAT, NC State is on the outside of the NIT bubble right now. There’s nobody on the NCAAT selection committee even thinking about NC State.

This team and this coach continue to act like there are no major, systemic problems with the lousy product they are putting on the court. Like there is some magic switch that will flip, and NC State will get “hot” just like every opponent magically seems to do against NC State.

Here’s a hint – they are outworking you. It started with offseason workouts and fall practice, and continued through yesterday’s shoot-around. From the game recap thread, here’s what SFN commenter WolftownVA81 saw yesterday:

Being at the game today, I’ll offer my few observations. We got there when the doors openned 1-1/2 hours before game time so we got to see the shoot arounds, warmups and stretches. We had good seats on row A at the 300 level just behind the NCSU basket so we had a good view.

1. Our guys were not taking the shoot around serious. They were laughing and having a good time while most of their shots bricked.

2. The UVA players were all business and were making most of their shots. At one point my wife commented UVA had made 10 or 12 in a row from the 3 pt. line and we’re going get killed today.

3. When stretch time came, it was more go through the motions. We have players that can’t or won’t touch their toes.

The first step to recovery is recognizing that you have a problem. I see no evidence that anyone associated with the basketball program really gets that. Like I said a few days ago, maybe losing out and having no post-season will finally hammer the message home.

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243 Responses to Denial Runs Deep at NC State

  1. RickJ 02/25/2008 at 3:17 PM #

    “Degand a better shooter? He never shot! What games were you watching?”

    I was watching the 10 games he played in. He did not shoot a lot but he took 51 shoots and made 24 of them. 8 for 16 from behind the 3 point line.

    We miss his shooting but we miss his defense way, way more. If you had watched the 10 games he played you would know that he was easily our best on ball defender.

  2. gumbydammit 02/25/2008 at 3:17 PM #

    It really chaps my backside to hear or read anything along the lines of “UNC gets the cream of the crop, how can we compete with that?” Nothing lasts forever – ask UCLA. Plus, when the #2 team is Tennessee (not the WOMEN’S Vols team, the MEN’S Vols team!), anything is possible.

    As for whether Sid is or is not a good (or great) coach, remember – this is his 2nd year. And being a good NBA coach = being a good NCAA coach (and vice versa) doesn’t work. Last year, the team KNEW they they were thin – motivation and discipline may not have been at issue then. It wouldn’t surprise me, though, that NBA experience would hardly equip a coach to excel in those areas at the college level – does anyone really think that NBA coaches truly motivate or instill discipline in 20-something-year-old multimilionnaires? Sid has some things to learn.

    Dissapointing season? Yes. Ample reason for head-scratching? Yes. Is there any reason to believe that the opinions posted here regarding how to righten the ship are relevant, on point, and correct? I have yet to see the proof. Just my opinion, not that it’s necessarily accurate, relevant or correct either.

    The only opinion I will stand by is the one made by Jimmy V.: “Don’t give up. Don’t EVER give up!”

  3. coach13 02/25/2008 at 3:20 PM #

    Oh, how moving!

  4. statered 02/25/2008 at 3:21 PM #

    Here’s one…how about quit spamming. Jeez.

  5. coach13 02/25/2008 at 3:26 PM #

    We are ranked 10th in the ACC in recruitng for next season.

  6. packbackr04 02/25/2008 at 3:27 PM #

    i dont know why sid doesnt come out and say something. Anything other than this bland coach speak. if he would just come out and say
    “you know what, our effort stunk last night, we played with no heart, no desire, and it wasnt just the players. me and my staff have not done a very good job. and im sorry for that. im gonna do everything i can to make sure it doesnt happen again. i make alot of money and you, the fans and university, deserve better.”

    if he would just come clean that hes made mistakes. i would feel a ton better. and if its not him. if it IS BY CHANCE 1 or 2 players on this team that are screwing everything up. i wish he would come out and throw them under the bus and run them off. because IT WILL cost him his job if he doesnt start explaining what is going on with this team.

    you know… a little Full Metal Jacket.. “private pile(aka Costner) has dishonored himself, AND he has dishonored the platoon! So from now on, Im not going to punish him! Im going to punish all of you! And the way i SEE IT ladies!!! You owe me for one jelly donut! NOW GET ON YOUR FACES!”

  7. boonami 02/25/2008 at 3:29 PM #

    agreed. I mean c’mon folks, settling for mediocrity is no way run a program. If we can’t expect to be competitive, then we shouldn’t compete in D1.

  8. coach13 02/25/2008 at 3:31 PM #

    I agree with that. I’d feel better if he was as pissed as the rest of us.

  9. boonami 02/25/2008 at 3:36 PM #

    i’d be pissed and embarrassed if that was the results. I mean c’mon folks, the mid major schools have no where near the talent we have or any team in the ACC, but the have great fundamentals and above all else, desire. That’s why we see in the field of 64, these 12 seeds beat a 5. Desire, fundamentals, can overcome lack of talent and pure laziness.

  10. sockerne1 02/25/2008 at 3:46 PM #

    Halfway related. I wanted to share my experience with Lee Fowler and unsuccessful NCSU sports. I was on the varsity soccer team from ’01-’03, and we finished last in the ACC all 3 years. I was MVP that last year, and could not bear it enough play my last year. At the end of my second year on the team, the players sent a signed petition to Fowler describing many of the coach’s downfalls. We asked that he be removed as head coach. Any of the assistant coaches could have taken over, and we would have been happy.
    Fowler called us into a meeting room to discuss this, and basically said “even Dean Smith had some bad years. Coach Tarantini will stay as long as he wants to”. I personally did not like the comparison to a UNX coach, nor did I think that our teams record validated giving our coach a free ride. If we were asking for money to be put into the program, I could understand getting turned down. It is just the soccer team afterall. However, we would have taken anyone. Coach Tarantini is considered a joke by the rest of the ACC, and even by most local youth soccer programs. I certainly chose NCSU for engineering, not for soccer.
    One of the biggest issues with Coach Tarantini is that he micromanages during the entire soccer game. If you ever go watch one, it is rather comical. (constant yelling from the coach). I see Sid doing this also, which worries me. I feel like Sid’s yelling during the game is much more insightful than Coach T’s, but I am worried that it will prevent our players from thinking on their own, and will lack development because of this. I certainly could be wrong about this.

  11. boonami 02/25/2008 at 3:49 PM #

    ^great insight and it goes to the state of our overall athletics and Fowler not giving a crap about winning and status quo. He needs to go, what a f’n waste of an AD.

  12. choppack1 02/25/2008 at 3:57 PM #

    That whistle everyone liked so much last year is driving me question this year. It helped get us another TO last year.

    I’m just going to say this, if our players are constantly looking to the Coach for what to run, they aren’t prepared.

  13. wbnation 02/25/2008 at 4:03 PM #

    Look you guys are still being unrealistic. “We want to compete with Duke and Carolina” well guess what that takes time. It doesn’t happen in year two. Sorry it just doesn’t. And if any of you think that Sean Miller, or John Calipari would have different results then I think you need to quit smoking whatever you are smoking. Ask Roy or K how many games they have personally won as a coach. I bet they answer “0”. Will they take credit for a loss, damn straight. But Sean Miller would probably have a worse record with our talentless team and Calipari may have us at 6 wins. maybe. Look there was a reason so many coaches turned us down. Its got nothing to do with our storied tradition. They came in looked at the roster, looked at how our scholarships layed out, looked at the type of player they could bring in, then match that to a fan base that still thinks we are dealing with the same rules and qualifications we had in 1983. While I am not trying to make excuses for being mediocre, just trying to ground you folks into where we are starting from, not where we can reach. Its no coincedence so many coaches turned us down, and we had to settle for someone who was willing to take on the almost impossible, and now you guys want to throw him under the bus.

    I think it would be of some relevence if SFN could do a thread or look into how the qualifications to get into the ACC has hurt teams rebuilding against the UNC’s and Duke’s(who were power houses before the change) and how its hurt both Miami and Florida State in football. Both of which have had high attrition rates since entering the ACC.

  14. RAWFS 02/25/2008 at 4:09 PM #

    boonami — I saw it and I didn’t reply to it there or say anything here or at RAWFS about it. It doesn’t deserve an NC State fan’s time of day. The media is just going to the old well to throw some more sewer water on us.

    My free advice is to not feed trolls, and neither fire nor kindness will kill them.

  15. primacyone 02/25/2008 at 4:12 PM #

    Coments from Lowe in a WRAL Article. This whole mess is Herb Sendeck’s fault. Why the hell did Herb switch to the weave and heave?

    http://www.wral.com/sports/story/2483489/

  16. McPete 02/25/2008 at 4:16 PM #

    “That whistle everyone liked so much last year is driving me question this year. It helped get us another TO last year.

    I’m just going to say this, if our players are constantly looking to the Coach for what to run, they aren’t prepared.”

    Case in point: against UVA, gavin grant was receiving instructions from lowe while on offense, someone (i think gonzalez) passed it to him anyway. ball whizzes out of bounds.

  17. roandaddy 02/25/2008 at 4:16 PM #

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  18. wufpup76 02/25/2008 at 4:21 PM #

    thanks for your post, socker …

    wb, coach lowe will be around for AT LEAST two more seasons (barring something unforeseen) and i think most fans are more than willing to give him his 4-5 years PROVIDED THAT THE TEAM’S EFFORT LEVEL MATCHES THE FANS’ PASSION LEVEL …

    a lot of the team’s efforts in games have been nothing short of UNACCEPTABLE and that must change IMMEDIATELY … if it doesn’t, then that is a fireable offense

    for at least 90% of the teams on the D1 level, effort is not a concern … there is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for effort to be a concern for ANY acc school, much less one that has won national championhips in the past

    i’ll keep saying that i can take losing, i just can’t take losing w/out trying your hardest … w/out max effort

    … as for the herb thing, it’s just stupid … most of us have moved on and wish herb the best … the media won’t let it die b/c it drives talking points and other stupid s*it … when i saw that on 850’s website it actually alienated me quite a bit to the point i’m not visiting that site for a while … the last thing on my mind in all this current mess of our basketball team is what the f*ck herb is doing … F off 850

  19. primacyone 02/25/2008 at 4:21 PM #

    SFN: Not a Sendek debate thread. Thanks.

  20. choppack1 02/25/2008 at 4:22 PM #

    Here’s what kills me, if you want to run, change the line-up. Put Grant at the 4 spot, put Fells at the 3, put Ferg or Harris or MJ at the 2, and Javi at the point.

    It’s also obvious are guys want to run – especially Grant and Javi. However, it’s hard to run when someone is whistling at your OR you’re out of shape.

    Sidney raves about Pearl – I guarandamntee you that if Pearl was here, we wouldn’t be limping the ball up the floor. Funny that someone left UT and came here…and he can’t really run at the 1 spot. Kind of flies in the face of what Sid is saying here.

  21. boonami 02/25/2008 at 4:26 PM #

    RAWFS…sorry dude.. but it I figured I’d throw it out there and get the pain over with. I know the Herb backers are telling us “told you so”.

    I agree with wbnation that now it’s unrealistic for us to compete with the UNC’s Duke’s but damn did I not expect us to lose to ECU, New O, UVA, crappy teams that we clearly should beat based on the players we have. that goes back to desire, leadership and fundamentals. NOTHING we currently have on this team. Sure qualifications have hurt us and I’ve said before we’ve had a quasi death penalty with our bball team because of those rules, but in 15+ years we can’t over come that?

  22. Noah 02/25/2008 at 4:27 PM #

    “Did anyone else think Farnold Degand sucked besides me before he got hurt?”

    (raising hand)

  23. wufpup76 02/25/2008 at 4:42 PM #

    thanks for the link, primacy …

    at least sidney acknowledged how predictable the offense is at times … quick teams kill us … dribble penetration kills us … blah blah blah

    i still read comments i didn’t necessarily like and there’s still no accountability other than laying things off at the players’ feet … “we can’t run … etc.” … that’s like saying “woe is me for what i have walked into” … in other words, “i don’t have any answers for this team and our ship is sunk for a while”

    come on sidney, i certainly hope you’re better than this

  24. choppack1 02/25/2008 at 4:53 PM #

    About Farnold – I think he was a big loss. He was clearly the best of all 3 guards. Would we still be 4-9 – there’s a good chance.

  25. BillyVest 02/25/2008 at 4:54 PM #

    and how its hurt both Miami and Florida State in football.

    I don’t get the football analogy. FSU won a national title after joining the ACC and went close to 10 years before another ACC school was able to beat them. Miami was on a post-Davis slide, when they joined the ACC.

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