A View from the Cheap Seats

My extreme, near-sinful hatred for Carolina could only be eclipsed by the even more intense jubilation of beating those Bastards Born & Bred and then enjoying every fleeting moment of it until it is our time, as dictated by some malevolent, forbidding destiny, to lose to them once again.

I can recall with striking accuracy – actually it’s not really that impressive given the limited opportunities in my lifetime – every victory I’ve witnessed over them: 2007, twice in 2003 and 2002…1998, 1995, twice in 1992, 1991, 1990…

Miserably enough, we beat Carolina exactly once while I was at State. But for a kid that dropped C++ because its mandatory lab interfered with that Thursday night Syracuse game my sophomore year, that lone victory over the very namesake that represents everything unholy in this world was easily one of the most satisfying and lasting victories of my lifetime.

That 1998 basketball season would bestow but a single extraordinary, enduring impression during a decade devoid of such. In retrospect, we must hope that the similarities between this season and that one diverge – and quickly.

Like this season, 1998 had arrived with the newfound optimism and promise of a second-year coach and a presumably much-improved team. Then, like now, the previous team had been thin and oft-outmanned, but had made an unparalleled ACC Tournament run on nothing more than sheer will fused with a dogged desire, having come up just short in the championship game against that one team every true State fan wholly detests most.

And entering a new season, there was indeed reason for optimism. Like 2008, in 1998 we had returned the established core of All ACC Clint Harrison along with returning starters Ishua Benjamin and Justin Gainey (unfortunately, Damon Thornton would miss the entire 1998 season recovering from the hip injury that had brought an abrupt end to his freshmen season). Harrison and Benjamin were seniors while Gainey had already proven himself a veteran. Added to this nucleus was the heralded recruiting class of Archie Miller, Kenny Inge, Ron Kelley, and Cornelius Williams.

Expectations had been raised, but State had struggled through two very ugly early-season losses to Princeton and Penn State. In a game that lulled its viewers into a trance, Princeton had won 38-36 in the Coaches vs. Cancer Classic at the Meadowlands. Each team hit only 15 shots from the field while 24 of Princeton’s 38 points were from behind the arc. Oddly enough, free throws had been the difference: Princeton didn’t shoot a single one while State missed two of its three, total.

By its February trip up I-40, State had already lost 74-60 in Reynolds the previous month in a game that had never been competitive after the first TV timeout; by all indications the game in Chapel Hill could be even worse. By this point, State was 14-11 overall and had floundered its way to 4-9 in the conference, and hadn’t made good on the preseason expectations.

Meanwhile, guided by All Americans Antawn Jamison and Vince Carter and supported by All ACC Shammond Williams, as well as future beneficiary of countless ghost hand-check fouls thirty feet from the basket, Ed Cota, Carolina had steamrolled over the ACC, having been tripped up only at Maryland a month earlier, en route to a 26-1 overall, 12-1 conference record, and the nation’s #1 ranking.

February 21, 1998 was typical for a Raleigh winter afternoon: gray skies and mild; a good day, as always, to beat Carolina.

There was an open viewing of the game on a big screen in Reynolds, which drew quite a crowd, young and old. Beforehand, David Thompson gave his usual speech to the captive audience, most of us convinced there was no way he was taller than 6’4,” which only amplifies his legend. This was my first and only time seeing him speak, and I’ll never forget it.

A short time later, I wasn’t so sure about the game, though. They jumped all over us early, leading 9-2 by the first timeout on the dominant play of Jamison. But then the game changed. The freshmen Inge and Kelley switched assignments and disrupted Jamison’s presence in the lane; along with Williams, the three combined for 27 points to counter the combined 34 points of Jamison, Okulaja, and Ndiaye.

People will forget that effort, however. They’ll also likely forget that State hit 30-of-32 free throws against Carolina’s 14-of-19. Impressive in and of itself, it’s absolutely beguiling that State was even allowed to take 32 foul shots, more than less hit more than Carolina took.

But the effort no one could ever forget is that of Harrison. Like Lakista McCuller before him, with 24 points against #1 Carolina in 1995, he went to work with awesome accuracy and precision, slipping off screens and gliding through traffic to find every available open shot and then taking advantage, hitting 10-of-14 from the field and 8-of-9 behind the arc, en route to his career single-game record of 31 points. Neither Williams nor Carter had an answer for him on defense that afternoon.

On that beautiful winter afternoon of my freshman year, State routed #1 Carolina 86-72. When the team stepped off the bus into the frenzied throng outside Reynolds Coliseum late that evening, they had knocked the Heels off their perch atop the nation. For that day, at least, the top belonged to us.

We regrouped outside Owen, reconnoitering in anticipation of the already-building celebration. Of course we did the only logical thing we could think of: we merged with the growing mob as it drove us in chaotic, herd-like fashion towards Hillsborough Street. It had been a late-afternoon game so the celebration carried on late into the evening, and we hadn’t cleared Hillsborough until we had learned that the team bus would soon be arriving at Reynolds. Which was good, because I’m certain there remained no more parked cars undamaged along Hillsborough. I’ve seen video of the celebration on Hillsborough after the National Championship, and I would never attempt to compare the two, but that night it was utter chaos so I can only imagine just how truly epic it was in 1983.

Alas, this tale ends like too many other State stories: as dictated by some warped, predisposed fate, it would seem, our reign over Carolina wouldn’t – couldn’t – last. Evil wins more often than not, which is entirely necessary to ensure that Good remains all that more virtuous. Carolina got its revenge soon enough, in Greensboro a few weeks later, and while their season ended at 34-4 against Utah in the Final Four, our season ended at 17-15 against Georgia in the second round of the NIT.

But on that evening, none of that mattered, because North Carolina State University, the only land-grant institution established for the fine people of the Great State of North Carolina, the school of the greatest college basketball player ever and the original Cinderella, of Fire & Ice and the Spirit of Jimmy V, reigned supreme, once again, if only for that day.

I look back now at that 18 year-old kid and scoff at his innocence and naiveté: if this was just my freshman year, I could only imagine what the next four would hold in store. I mean, c’mon, we’re moving into the new arena in a couple years, we’ve got a stellar recruiting class again in 1999, and we’ll certainly have the most dominant frontcourt in the nation in 1999 and again in 2000. We’ll be a Final Four team for sure by 2001 after that Wilkins kid arrives. Things are going to be very good around here from now on, count on it.

I sure miss that kid.

I’m not callow anymore; on the contrary, perhaps a bit too cynical, hardened. I’ve also matured enough – I think – to appreciate that while sport often transcends life, it is still only a game; winning and losing isn’t life and death. This means I don’t yell so much at the TV anymore (apparently Herb couldn’t hear me anyway).

Of course, there are always exceptions: Carolina. Beating those Bastards Born & Bred is one of the things I treasure most in life. But I’m reticent to the reality of our chances this weekend in that heap of a town in Orange County, especially with Horner and Fells ailing. The simple reality is we don’t do a lot of things well this season while Carolina does, and I’m afraid they’ll easily exploit our many, many weaknesses — unforced turnovers, poor rebounding, poor perimeter shooting, lack of hustle. Right now, based on what we’ve seen to this point, Carolina is a league above us.

Which in this rivalry means absolutely nothing, as we’ve shown many times. Perhaps we’ve got them precisely where we want them, right? If anyone can fire this team up, it’s Coach Lowe, who understands what this game means to us all, because it means the same thing to him.

I want to win Saturday more than anything, and not even for myself – I’ve seen us beat a #1-ranked Carolina before. My reasons are entirely unselfish. I just want us to win so that my baby sister, who is a senior at State right now, can graduate this spring having experienced the elation of knocking off those bastards o’er the hill when they’re #1 like I experienced way back in 1998. I want to win this one for the kids.

C’mon, why is that so hard to believe?

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77 Responses to A View from the Cheap Seats

  1. bTHEredterror 01/10/2008 at 12:17 PM #

    I’d left Raleigh in the winter semester before this game. Figures they’d wait for me to graduate to finally beat the hated (BreechBorn and In-Bred).

    My lingering memory from the 1998 ACCT Championship game was the foul, and subsequent Sendek technical, called on Kenny Inge for hitting Jamison’s foot with his chest while prone that essentially sunk us.

  2. colapack 01/10/2008 at 12:47 PM #

    We’ve been sandbagging all season to lull UNX to sleep and make them think they can beat us with the zone. Then we come out and open a 120 point can of whoop-xxx on them. They won’t know what hit them.

    OK, back to reality.

  3. BJD95 01/10/2008 at 1:06 PM #

    7 guys should play: Javi, Grant, Costner, McCauley, Hickson, Harris, and MJ.

    I expect to catch lots of shit for this – but under no circumstances would I even CONSIDER suiting up Fells or Horner for this game. I want as strong a hand as possible for the trip to Littlejohn.

  4. TNCSU 01/10/2008 at 1:12 PM #

    I believe Fergie will definitely play if Fells can’t go.

    I also think Tracy Smith may see some action. I don’t think he’ll stay in Sid’s doghouse forever. Hopefully, it’ll light a fire under his backside!

  5. JeremyH 01/10/2008 at 1:26 PM #

    BJD95- do you remember our first 10 possessions at Michigan St? If we pull a brick city Horner will play. Hopefully we won’t wait that long.

  6. wufpup76 01/10/2008 at 1:28 PM #

    “In addition to playing Johnson/Horner at the two to keep Fergie off the court….

    …could we not move Grant to the two, Costner to the 3 and play Ben and JJ down low?”

    possibly, but you also have to account for how that would affect us on the defensive end … their team speed could really eat up that line-up … but then again, i’m all about playing our best players and fighting for a victory … we’ll see what happens 🙂

  7. BJD95 01/10/2008 at 1:40 PM #

    We have no chance to keep up with UNC’s speed. We might as well try to counter that with a size advantage, since I don’t see how else we can leverage a mismatch in any phase of the game. Are we really that worried about Ginyard or Danny Green leading the Heels’ offensive charge, and exploiting Costner if he plays the 3?

    I’m not saying to sit Horner for performance – I just wouldn’t take ANY risk (however remote or minor) in setting back Fells’ or Horner’s recovery from their ankle injuries.

    It’s hard to come up with a scarier thought than Ferguson guarding Ellington.

  8. wufpup76 01/10/2008 at 1:44 PM #

    ^i meant their transition game … our transition D is shaky as it is … but yeah, ferguson vs. ellington does not look to be a favorable match-up if it comes to fruition

  9. Dr. BadgerPack 01/10/2008 at 1:50 PM #

    Perhaps if Ferguson taunts him he might become so cross he might make a mistake…

  10. Texpack 01/10/2008 at 1:57 PM #

    We beat UNC-CH in ’80 & ’83 while I was there. The ’83 win was as good as winning the National Championship. It is the only time we ever stormed the court in Reynolds and the Chancellor was leading the cheers after the game from his spot on the front row of the upper level. The impromtu post game keg party in the Owen Underground featured Rock The Casbah sung with the alternative lyrics “Now Dean don’t like it, F*** The Tarheels, F*** The Tarheels”. I still smile when I hear that song today. This Saturday will be a challenge, but we might just pull it off.

  11. zahadum 01/10/2008 at 2:14 PM #

    I agree completely BJD95. Its a long season and you’ve got to think strategically.

    I still think one of the things that killed us 2 years ago was rushing Ilian back into action too soon.

  12. packbackr04 01/10/2008 at 2:23 PM #

    i really wish fergie wouldve worked out, be he is just awful. he couldve easily been a fan favorite. but he jusT isnt any good. and he has had plenty of opportunites to play and excel, and he just cant get it done

  13. packbackr04 01/10/2008 at 2:25 PM #

    and im tired of hearing how he shoots lights out in practice. if he cant bring it to the game, what good is it.

  14. Rick 01/10/2008 at 2:29 PM #

    “In addition to playing Johnson/Horner at the two to keep Fergie off the court….”
    Horner is still injured as well. And if I hear one more UNC fan whine about losing their backup point guard I think I will scream. They know nothing of challenge.

    Someone already said this but I want to restate. If there was a game to ply Costner at the 3 this is it. Their threes have no offense. A 1-3-1 zone might be very effective against them as well.

  15. James 01/10/2008 at 2:30 PM #

    “Javi, Grant, Costner, McCauley, Hickson, Harris, and MJ.”

    We’ve beat better Carolina teams than this one with arguably less talent on the floor. Of course, we’re playing very poorly right now.

  16. BillyVest 01/10/2008 at 2:39 PM #

    We’ve also gotten the snot beaten out of us, by worse Carolina teams, than this one with better talent on the floor…most notably in Herb’s final year…

  17. RAWFS 01/10/2008 at 2:42 PM #

    At least we’re not in the sad shape that Michigan is in. Wolfpackers may have some interest in this, because the coach up there is John Beilein, who was a buyout away from sitting on the NC State bench:

    Those Dukies Like To Stick Together

  18. pakfanistan 01/10/2008 at 2:50 PM #

    This is the TFerg I want to see…

  19. Todd 01/10/2008 at 2:50 PM #

    In MN now, I watched that ’98 game on tv. What i DO remember is the free throws – awesome!!

    Great post!!

    I only lived in raleigh for 3 years and was in elementary then (’82-’85) so didn’t make it to any hillsboro/brickyard parties then. But was visiting family in ’91 when we played the holes two nights in a row due to weather postponement of one game. We won the first game. WOW!! Everybody should get to experiance a Hillsboro take-over. What a party!! I watched the game with friends in the Trinity Luthern Church student center and we ran to Hillsboro from there. I’ll never forget it! Desert Storm had just begun, a poor tour bus full of old folks got caught in the middle of it. A bunch jumped on top of the bus, somebody had a big US flag and everybody broke out in an amazing “U.S.A., U.S.A” Chant! Of course alot of good ol’ “N.C. STATE, N.C. STATE!!” too. One of my fondest memories of my younger days.

  20. Todd 01/10/2008 at 2:59 PM #

    ^ ’91 – remember what the teams were ranked then??

    That was Fire and Ice and Googs. All were Srs. that year, right??

    LRM Note: Fire & Ice, yes. Gugs was a junior.

  21. E-RO 01/10/2008 at 3:08 PM #

    Great Post. Very well written, and it encapsilates the rivalry very well.

  22. PackGirl 01/10/2008 at 3:17 PM #

    Fergie is not that bad. I wish people would stop attacking him so much. He played well on defense last night and was able to get the ball in to JJ several times. Obviously his offense was bad, just as it was for most of the team. If he could just start hitting the 3’s during games instead of just in practice, he could be very valuable.

  23. Redblogger 01/10/2008 at 3:27 PM #

    ^^ Who’s the kid that looks like Fergie in the video?

  24. Dr. BadgerPack 01/10/2008 at 3:36 PM #

    I stumbled across these killing time in the office today… Appropriate for this thread.

  25. packgrad93 01/10/2008 at 3:37 PM #

    “Someone already said this but I want to restate. If there was a game to ply Costner at the 3 this is it. Their threes have no offense”

    Green avg 13ppg, Ginyard avg 7ppg. I wouldn’t call that no offense. Costner at the 3 would make a slow team slower.

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