Bowl Game Possibilities – Revisited

I want to share some highlights from a phone conversation that I had earlier today. The conversation revolved around interpretation of the following NCAA requirement for placing teams with a 6-6 record into bowl games: (Thanks to RAWFS for the link to current NCAA requirements.)

In the case of a conference contractual affiliation, all conference teams with winning records must be placed in one of the contracted bowl games before any institution with a record of six wins and six losses may be placed in a contracted bowl game.

The meaning of this requirement appears to be very clear to me. However, I was told that some people (who should know) have heard alternate interpretations of the “7-win rule.” The alternate interpretation is that the quoted rule applies to at-large bowl bids and not to conference affiliated bowls.

So who is correct?

The purpose of this entry is two-fold:

– I wanted to let everyone know that the chances of State going somewhere other than Boise with a 6-6 record MAY be better than I led you to believe earlier this week.

– I also wanted to ask for help from our broad readership on clarifying this rule. If you know of an example from last year or have any additional information relating to this issue, would you please let us know in the comments section?

– If you have information and would prefer a more private conversation, drop us a line at [email protected] and one of our admins will be in contact with you.

Here at SFN, the writers strive to bring you interesting, insightful, and accurate information…while balancing real jobs and family obligations. If I misinterpreted the NCAA rules, then it is no one’s fault but mine and I apologize. We will keep everyone informed as we receive more information on this very important topic.

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18 Responses to Bowl Game Possibilities – Revisited

  1. MatSci94 11/15/2007 at 5:41 PM #

    from the earlier post

    “[These bowls] share the fourth, fifth and sixth selections of ACC teams after the BCS. These bowls will submit their top three preferences of ACC bowl-eligible teams to the Conference Office in order to make the best selections from the available teams and bowls. If an agreement cannot be reached, then a financial ranking will be used to determine the selection order which would be: ”

    I wonder if this wording is specifically because of the 6 vs 7 win rule. Since the bowls select their picks, and the details are worked out by the league, the happen at the same time instead of picking in order. This lets the (say) 4th bowl get the 6 win team while the 5th bowl gets a 7 win.

    I’d be curious to hear Dave Glenn’s take on this. I know some people don’t like him so much, but he sure does know some obscure NCAA rules.

  2. ncsukyle430 11/15/2007 at 5:49 PM #

    Doesn’t this whole discussion make you sick of the BCS and bowl selection? It is the worst post season system in all of sports.

  3. bTHEredterror 11/15/2007 at 5:49 PM #

    Upon reading the NCAA postseason handbook:

    I interpret the rule on page 5 of the handbook to state, a 6-6 team can be selected if there is a pre-existing agreement with the bowl, or if all 7-5 teams are considered first. I would expect the UVa’s and BC’s of the conference to demand they not be skipped over for a .500 team if they have a better record. It seems to be we could leapfrog if we are within one win of the team we jump, only if we have 7 wins. I think SFN’s original interpretation is correct, at 6-6 we are in the cold. Either literally in Boise, or figuratively in Raleigh. The good news is Maryland doesn’t travel so well.

  4. noah 11/15/2007 at 6:08 PM #

    The bowl system will go away and the playoffs will begin the SECOND that the TV folks can figure out how to make more money off the playoffs than they do off the bowls.

    Don’t tell me, “A playoff would make kaJILLIONS!!!” — because it won’t. Playing HALF as many games and having to confine them to specific time slots and then having to come up with original programming for about 75 hours worth of time in late december and the first couple of days in January is NOT the way to sell advertising.

  5. packbackr04 11/15/2007 at 6:20 PM #

    noah is right, and the most logical, and by logical, i mean the easiest thing to do is the bowl plus one game to determine national champions.

    imo, everything here out is gravy, but you hate to settle, and it sure would be nice to get 1 of the last 2 and keep Obriens streak of 6 or 7 seasons with a bowl berth going.

  6. RabidWolf 11/15/2007 at 9:36 PM #

    If State wins out, I would have a serious gut-splitting laugh if the ‘Pack went to Atlanta, and UVa ended up in Charlotte AGAIN!

    Hey, a man can dream, can’t he?

  7. RabidWolf 11/15/2007 at 9:40 PM #

    I just hate Virginia that much.

    Bunch of smarmy, self righteous asses!!

  8. choppack1 11/15/2007 at 11:16 PM #

    I guess the wording of the contract of the Bowl games is pretty important here. I wonder what the bowl has to agree to…and I wonder what the ACC schools have to agree to.

    Personally, I think it’s a non-issue if we go 6-6…we’re still not as attractive as even an 7-5 BC team.

    SFN: This could not be further from the truth. Less attractive than BC to whom? A hypothetical bowl played in Chestnut Hill? Other than that, NC State is more attractive than BC to every bowl in the ACC’s affiliations.

    I mean, we know Clemson, VaTech no matter are going somewhere before we are….UVa and BC most likely. As for the others – I think a lot of jumping is possible. But, I’ll still go back to our bowl games sucking. How many conferences have a historically bad bowl like the Boise Bowl? And no offense to what is probably a great community – but if you’ve got a bowl game that’s hard to get to, expensive to get to, against a mid major opponent (but a mid major usually good enough to beat you) – you really can’t much worse of a combo.

  9. bTHEredterror 11/16/2007 at 6:43 AM #

    “But, I’ll still go back to our bowl games sucking.”

    Kind of like the SEC-C-USA matchup in the Liberty Bowl? Or maybe the Mac-Big 10 matchup in the Motor City Bowl? The Big 12-C-USA matchup in the Texas Bowl?

    Its the penalty for finishing low in your league. Every league has dog bowls, the type of matchup most teams try to avoid in out of conference schedules. Buy they’re only bad when you fall into them. When you climb out of 1-5 and get to the Humanitarian Bowl, it doesn’t seem quite so bad.

    Could start out 8-0 and #2 in the nation and end up in the Meineke Bowl. Which only sucks because it is in Charlotte.

  10. choppack1 11/16/2007 at 10:34 AM #

    “Kind of like the SEC-C-USA matchup in the Liberty Bowl? Or maybe the Mac-Big 10 matchup in the Motor City Bowl? The Big 12-C-USA matchup in the Texas Bowl? ”

    I want you to look at your post and see what the difference between those bowls and the Humanitarian Bowl.

    ” Every league has dog bowls,”

    Yes, but few conferences have their dog bowl as bowl that is not only against mid major, but hard to get and expensive to get to and is one of the colder bowls out there. That’s what makes the Humanitarian Bowl the “mother of all dog bowls”. There’s a reason its made fun of – and Swoffie boy penciled the conference in as a permanent guest.

  11. GoldenChain 11/16/2007 at 10:54 AM #

    The main advantage State has over similar schools is that we travel well so I would expect better opportunities for us that others (say like Wake) all other things equal.

  12. bTHEredterror 11/16/2007 at 3:22 PM #

    Hey, Chop. I love ya man. But Boise is several times better than Detroit. Ever been to Detroit in December? At least in Boise the odds of a mugging are somewhat less than the odds of waking up in the morning. The Rockies are way better than the husks of the auto industry for scenary as well.

    No doubt Boise Bowl is wack, and at least in Detroit the game is inside, but I ask you honestly Detroit or Bosie? I’ve been to Detroit in Winter, it sucks. At least I’ve never experienced how bad Boise sucks, if in fact it does.

  13. PamlicoPack 11/16/2007 at 4:16 PM #

    we know Orlando, J-ville, and Atlanta are out, because those will get the three among Clemson, VaTech, Virginia, BC that do NOT get the BCS bid (only way for us to pass BC is to win out and have them lose out, including at home to Miami–other three we CANNOT pass).

    If we can manage to win out, we would pass FSU and GaTech based on ACC record (neither of them can finish better than 4-4)…to the extent ACC record matters…

  14. Texpack 11/16/2007 at 4:21 PM #

    Music City is the best we will probably do

  15. LRM 11/16/2007 at 5:10 PM #

    No shame in the Music City Bowl this season.

  16. choppack1 11/16/2007 at 6:28 PM #

    Btheredterror- No doubt parts of Detroit are awful…but there’s some not too bad parts there too (actually some of them are pretty cool.

    But if I had 2 go to cities and someone was paying for it – I’d probably choose Boise. Part of the reason that Boise stinks as a destination is that you can’t get there easily and getting there costs $$. It would make plent of sense for other conferences who are closer – but even if you fly into Salt Lake – you’ve got a good bit of driving to do.

    Hey, I love’d to go to Hawaii – but it’s stupid deal to make for a bowl game if you want the fans to actually attend.

  17. bTHEredterror 11/16/2007 at 7:01 PM #

    If we win out, we are 7-5, and if BC is at 9-3. But in the conference win column, we are 5-3 and they are 5-3, so they can be skipped over. Because of Matt Ryan, that may not happen. but we certainly would travel better than BC and we would be on a 6 game win streak. Should be interesting.

    For now, let’s invade Switzerland and support our team W/L/D, they’ve made us proud regardless of what happens.

    SFN: Unless Matt Ryan can buy 20,000 extra tickets to help BC achieve parity with NC State’s ticket buying, he isn’t doing them any good.


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