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43 Responses to Pack Places Two on NFL’s All-Breakout Team

  1. BJD95 08/21/2007 at 12:00 PM #

    I’m more confident about the Mario Williams pick than I am McCargo. From what I hear, the Bills D is going to be awful this year, and Johnny Mac will need at least a few games just to get his timing back.

  2. noah 08/21/2007 at 12:18 PM #

    McCargo’s foot is still bothering him too.

  3. packpigskinfan23 08/21/2007 at 12:18 PM #

    ^I heard McCargo hurt himself again before the first preseason game? didnt hear if it was serious or not.

    I look for Manny Lawson to have a HUGE year. I think Mario will be a REALLY good this year, but is always gonna be compared to Young and Bush… so people are gonna overlook what he does. Jerico is gonna put up some #’s this year too!!!

  4. noah 08/21/2007 at 12:24 PM #

    Vince Young sucks. Reggie Bush is pretty good, but he’s going to have a much shorter career than Williams.

    The only two choices that the Texans should have considered were Mario and D’Brickshaw Ferguson.

  5. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 08/21/2007 at 12:47 PM #

    “Reggie Bush is pretty good, but he’s going to have a much shorter career than Williams.”

    That pissed me off last year when ‘experts’ would talk about the ‘mistake’ Houston made. You can’t decide if it was a good pick until the careers are over.

  6. Jamie 08/21/2007 at 2:43 PM #

    Not really related, but Tank Tyler got some love on Hard Knocks (Pretty good show on HBO about Cheifs Training Camp) last week.

  7. JimValvano 08/21/2007 at 3:00 PM #

    noah is right (did I just say that?)

    really though he is…typically running backs take that sharp fall off at age 30 while many defensive ends can play up till about 35. The “experts” pissed me off a little last year too, but they were saying that because it was what they thought the majority of their audience wanted to hear.

    Give it 5 years…then we’ll look back and think hmmmm…it wasn’t that bad of a pick.

    Give it 10 years and Bush will be retired and Mario will be a Pro Bowler averaging double digit sack totals.

    Give it 20 and we’ll see who is first ballot HOF

  8. noah 08/21/2007 at 3:19 PM #

    Reggie Bush would have gotten slaughtered running behind the Texans OL. He would have been an absolute waste.

  9. RedTerror29 08/21/2007 at 4:13 PM #

    I used to think Bush would be, at worst, another Bryan Westbrook (top 10 in the league at the time) or, at best, another Marshall Faulk (top 10 in the league all time). I was unimpressed by his rookie season enough to start thinking he might be another Tiashiamanga Biakabatuka (much more fun the say than attempt to spell).

    Analysts have been quick to gloss any struggles by VY or Bush, while harping on Mario’s. Also conveniently ignoring how much more valuable a blind-side pass rusher is in today’s pro game than a running back.

  10. packpigskinfan23 08/21/2007 at 4:44 PM #

    Mario Williams will be a Texan for life… see if that holds true for Bush.

  11. packgrad93 08/21/2007 at 4:49 PM #

    off the subject, where can I find all-time records vs unc in fball & basketball? thx in advance –

  12. wufpaxno1 08/21/2007 at 4:50 PM #

    ^ No, I don’t think that Bush will be a Texan for life.

  13. BJD95 08/21/2007 at 5:13 PM #

    Reggie Bush is a good player…but he’s still a 15-20 touches per game player, and needs to be paired with another starter-caliber RB. For the Saints, he makes sense. Not so much for the Texans.

  14. Dr. BadgerPack 08/21/2007 at 6:02 PM #

    Bush also wouldn’t have made much sense for the Texans as it is darn hard to set up a screen pass behind a garbage offensive line, and screens/short passes probably account for 50% of Bush’s touches.

  15. Wulfpack 08/21/2007 at 7:03 PM #

    Don’t know what game you all were watching but Bush was electric toward the latter part of the season last year. He will be an all pro in no time. Don’t think I can say the same for Mario.

  16. Dr. BadgerPack 08/21/2007 at 7:18 PM #

    ^ Bush was electric in the return game, but his rushing wasn’t anything spectacular outside of a 100+ yard game against the Giants and he had the one sensational week against SF- three TDs on the ground all inside 5-10 yards if I recall correctly- and a receiving touchdown. The big numbers in that game make the overall numbers even more dissappointing for all of the hype. I did see him piss Urlacher off in the playoffs- that should make for an interesting matchup later on.

    He’ll probably be an all-pro, as he’ll be classified as RB I’m sure and the crop looks rather thin in the NFC this year. If he develops some consistency, he won’t even need the thin crop to garner the accolade.

    Mario shouldn’t worry about all-pro for now. He should focus on being good enough that the sportscenter anchors call him “Texans DE Mario Williams” and not “Mario taken ahead of Bush and Young in the bonehead move of the millenium Williams”

  17. Wulfpack 08/21/2007 at 8:01 PM #

    The multitalented running back earned All-Rookie accolades after posting 1,523 total yards – 729 receiving, 565 rushing and 216 in punt returns – and scoring nine touchdowns. He was the only player in the NFL in 2006 to score touchdowns rushing, receiving and on a punt return, and his 88-yard touchdown catch-and-run for a touchdown at Chicago was the longest play in NFC Championship history. With 88 receptions on the season, he set an NFL record for catches by a rookie running back and he tied a club record vs. San Francisco, Dec. 3 with four touchdowns. Bush, who led the league with 33 catches on third down, won NFC Player of the Week honors twice and was named NFL Rookie of the Month for December.

  18. RochesterRedWolf 08/21/2007 at 8:02 PM #

    I have followed the houston media pretty closely since MW was signed there from the dumbass fans booing the pick (what other draft pick has that ever happened too) to an article that supposed to appear in tomorrow houston chronicle (http://www.chron.com) about “how to motivate mario”. I have even posted on their msg boards that houston fans must be some of the stupidest fans in the nation. I said exactly what noah said: if VY or Bush played in the Texans offense last season they would have been on injured reserve in about 3 weeks. You should see how these fools (Fans) are critiquing the preseason games and questioning MW’s “motor”. Truly un-educated fans. All that MW can do is just play like he’s capable. I am really pulling for him. But these people think that Bush or VY is the answer and will for along time i guess.

  19. noah 08/21/2007 at 8:31 PM #

    Wow…565 yards rushing. Look out Jim Brown!

  20. choppack1 08/21/2007 at 8:33 PM #

    Part of the reason Bush excelled was because the Saints had so many weapons. They had a strong inside runner in McCallister – and a solid receiving corp – also Peyton ran a very creative offense utlizing Bush’s unique skillset. Mario didn’t have the same luck. Still, Bush wasn’t the most impressive offensive rookie in the league – heck, he may not have even been the best one on his team.

  21. bTHEredterror 08/21/2007 at 8:41 PM #

    (what other draft pick has that ever happened too)-this may have been rhetorical, but here goes

    Donovan McNabb, who was drafted ahead of Ricky Williams to the displeasure of a majority of Eagle fans. Worked out pretty good though.

    And just about every Jets pick.

    Mario will be fine, Reggie is very good, and VY will have a solid career.

    I expect Reggie’s career to be similar to Eric Metcalf or Gale Sayers, the two players who immediately come to mind when I watch him play. His style lends itself to stress on the knees, both his and his opponents, and he plays on astro turf. I hope he has a long career though, because he is an exciting palyer to watch.

    Buffalo lost its two best defenders in Clements and Spikes, so I can’t help but think their defense will be less effective. Hopefully McCargo has a good year in that setting, but I expect Lawson to make more noise this year. He has a new running partner in the middle with Willis, who should be solid enough to allow Lawson to roam. I think Manny can be a game changer, and expect to see flashed of that this year. There is a better secondary behing him, with a big hitting run-stopper in Michael Lewis and a lockdown type corner in Clements. His stats should increase, and I predict he’ll have 6-7 sacks this year, along with an increase in the disruptive plays he makes.

  22. Andy 08/21/2007 at 9:10 PM #

    Minor point but its field turf now not astroturf. As for the Mario/reggie/vince debate, I’d rather have shaub/carr over young, but I think I’d rather have bush and whatever DE they could sign over Mario and ron dayne

  23. Dr. BadgerPack 08/21/2007 at 9:21 PM #

    As many ways as the Saints had to get Bush the ball, he should have been able to muster better than 100 yards per game (I’m being generous and rounding up). The 4 touchdown game was great, but that also means he only scored 5 in the other 15 games; that’s not setting the world on fire. The numbers say he’s inconsistent, and that should and probably will change with experience. But it’s hard to look back at the season and say, yep- this guys going to the hall, or going to be a perennial pro-bowler for that matter.

    Maurice Jones-Drew put up over 2000 total yards for comparison. Heck, in December he rushed for about 100 yards less than Bush rushed for all season. Nobody is lining up to him in the HOF quite yet.

    And I could REALLY pick a nit and say Bush needs to work on his passing (0-1 1 INT 0.0 Rtg.). 🙂

  24. noah 08/21/2007 at 10:51 PM #

    I’d rather have just about every QB in the league (starters and backups) before I’d take Vince Young. That guy’s horrible. And he’s retarded. And he’s a jerk.

    I don’t think Bush is as great as ESPN tries to make him, but I think he’s a solid player and he’s a good weapon for the Saints. But the average life of an NFL RB is three years. And Bush is smaller than most NFL backs.

  25. ncsu_kappa 08/22/2007 at 7:05 AM #

    “I don’t think Bush is as great as ESPN tries to make him…” Get the opinion of someone who has tried defending him. Why is bashing Bush supposed to make Mario seem like a better pick. You can’t say that a guy that allows you to open up your entire offense because of his abilities is a bad pick. He’s a phenomenal player and Warrick Dunn is smaller than he was. Drew Brees almost threw for 5000 yards in that offense, how was that possible? Did Bush have to recieve every yard to know that he had a significant impact on that? Bush is a great player who will make great plays with the ball in his hands.

    “Vince Young that guys horrible.” He made his share of mistakes true. But was he has horrible as the team he was on. He took over an 0 – 5 team his rookie season and finished 8 – 8. He’s garbage he should have went undefeated on that team he had right. If any quarteback went 8 – 3 as a rookie it was a good year, nonetheless on a team that was started 0 – 5.

    Vince, Bush, and Mario are all great players, there is no need to try to diminish what they were able to accomplish to make us feel better about Mario. I think Mario is a monster talent and the defense is shaping up around him. I think he will have a great career no matter where he plays. Comparing Bush to Maurice Jones-Drew is putting him in elite company so I’m sure he won’t mind. A solid player is an understatement for Bush. Warrick Dunn is a solid player, so is Terry Glenn, Jericho Cotchery, Jay Cutler, or Tatum Bell. They are solid but they won’t change the dynamic of a team the way Bush did. Bush is a freak of nature seldom seen on the grid iron and time will tell that. Go ahead and try to prove me wrong by listing hall of famers or future hall of famers that were better than he is. Again, great company to be in.

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