UNC Lands Two Players That Clemson Admissions Turns Down

The alternate titles for this entry were “There is a War Brewing in Clemson” or “Can’t Wait to Hear Dave Glenn talk about Carolina’s bad academics”.

It will be interesting if this piece will show up in any of Dave Glenn’s anyalsis after we have heard for the last few years how NC State consistently admits a lower level student-athlete on the football field. There are a lot of upset fans today in Tigertown.

Jones has a 2.25 core GPA and a 670 SAT. He is currently taking three core classes. If he made Bs on each core credit he would have to raise his SAT to an 800. Jones signed with North Carolina, a top 10 public institution, on Wednesday.

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109 Responses to UNC Lands Two Players That Clemson Admissions Turns Down

  1. noah 02/08/2007 at 10:01 AM #

    If they’re smart, they’ll do what Sam Jones hopefully did. Immediately withdraw from high school, fail their senior year and do it over again at prep school next year.

    The rule is in place for extraordinary circumstances for college-bound seniors. Severe illness, family emergencies and crises. But athletes can use it to their advantage as well.

  2. BoKnowsNCS71 02/08/2007 at 10:05 AM #

    Things have changed a lot at Clemson. When I was in school, we used to joke that if you drove through CU too slowly — they would throw a diploma in your car window.

  3. noah 02/08/2007 at 10:13 AM #

    Things may have changed at Clemson, but they haven’t changed in the Tiger Town. Note the sentence: “And on February 7, 2007 the next step towards football mediocrity was taken by Clemson University.”

    Not, “…the next step towards academic excellence” or “…the next step towards actually being able to look ourselves in the mirror.” No, “mediocrity.”

    This is why I can’t take sports seriously anymore.

    “The University has turned down proposed majors and eliminated other majors that were considered not in line with the Top 20 goal.”

    Awww…no more “Music Appreciation” majors? Johnny, would you like to hear some music? I’d appreciate that!

    “Abolish the academic review board before it kills the Golden Goose–Clemson football.”

    Yes, because the purpose of Clemson University is the god**** football team.

  4. noah 02/08/2007 at 10:18 AM #

    BTW, how do you only get a 670 on the new SAT? That’s like getting a 550 on the old test. Those are Chris washburn-esque numbers.

  5. RickJ 02/08/2007 at 10:22 AM #

    “Jones has a 2.25 core GPA and a 670 SAT”

    I really hope this is true and am glad it is Clemson bringing it up. What does a 670 SAT equate to before the SAT’s were recentered a few years back? What is C.D. Spangler doing now?

    The Sam Jones issue represents a change for NC State. In the past, he would have signed with NC State and been included in our class rankings. It doesn’t really change who is ultimately on your roster but I think this has inflated our recruiting rankings in the past several years.

    Dave Glenn has repeatedly made the point that signees that don’t matriculate is the best evaluator of a schools commitment to academics. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Knowing UNC’s luck, they will probably all miraculously qualify.

  6. PurplePeopleEaters 02/08/2007 at 10:33 AM #

    Is that a 670 out of 2400? That’s like getting a 27% on a test.. that’s borderline illiterate. You could get a 670 by writing the same word over and over on the essay and making pictures out of the bubbles on the other parts..

  7. choppack1 02/08/2007 at 10:42 AM #

    RickJ -Let’s now throw stones in our glass house – because others have.

    However, I’m just interested in seeing if Glenn brings up the academics of some of these kids since he certainly brought it up w/ Chuck. He also is fond of saying that Chapel Hill has “historically” recruited a better student athlete than State, Clemson and FSU – and historically, he’s right. However, when they were good under Mack Brown, they recruited w/ the dregs – or worse. I wonder if he’ll mention that Butch Davis is recruiting kids who academicially, aren’t up to Chapel Hill’s “historical” standards.

  8. GAWolf 02/08/2007 at 10:47 AM #

    Boknows… that was actually a joke Lewis Grizzard used in his standup routines about his alma mater, UGA.

    “Awww…no more “Music Appreciation” majors? Johnny, would you like to hear some music? I’d appreciate that!” Nice. I took this class at State to fill a liberal arts requirement. My final was that I had to compose a piece of music played on anything. As in… any… thing. If you used an instrument you got extra credit. I bought a $.25 party favor plastic horn thing which qualified me for the extra credit. And you’re telling me people can MAJOR in that? I had no clue. I really thought it’s sole purpose was for people with zero music ability who were otherwise quality students to get through school… as in it’s equal to changing Run 100 into Fitness Walking 100 for the smart fatties.

  9. GAWolf 02/08/2007 at 10:49 AM #

    For what it’s worth, I took English, too. I do know the difference between it’s and its. I welcome the day Statefansnation gets an edit key. Considering the purpose of this thread and my post was to take a hard line against idiots, I couldn’t let that go.

  10. StateFans 02/08/2007 at 11:00 AM #

    SAT is a total of 1600 points, not 2400

  11. Rochester 02/08/2007 at 11:00 AM #

    GAWolf,

    I took that class too. I sucked at the music composition. For an instrument I used a tin container that my mom kept her sewing stuff in and beat the hell out of it with drumsticks. I don’t know how I didn’t realize how bad I was damaging it until it was all over, but it looked like it had been left out in a hail storm. Oops. Sorry, Mom.

  12. beowolf 02/08/2007 at 11:05 AM #

    This bears repeating:

    BTW, how do you only get a 670 on the new SAT? That’s like getting a 550 on the old test. Those are Chris washburn-esque numbers.

  13. Rochester 02/08/2007 at 11:06 AM #

    He would have gotten a 680, but he got nervous.

  14. Mike 02/08/2007 at 11:07 AM #

    Wash had an SAT of 470 – 270 in math and 200 in English. Oh by the way, 400 was the minium score if you showed up, 200 in each category. I was not a math major but the English score looks pretty impressive to me.

  15. TNCSU 02/08/2007 at 11:10 AM #

    The top score may still be 1600, but it is ALOT easier to score high — not sure how the exact comparison works out, though.

    BTW, anyone know whatever happened to Washburn???

  16. Mike 02/08/2007 at 11:10 AM #

    I wonder if these guys should haev enrolled at Akron.

  17. Old_Wolf 02/08/2007 at 11:19 AM #

    from the article, I count 3 that signed with unc-ch yesterday that were not admited to Clemson:

    Dwight Jones-North Carolina
    Tydreke Powell-North Carolina
    Ryan Houston-North Carolina

  18. MadWolf92 02/08/2007 at 11:23 AM #

    400 is not the minimum score. 400 is the score if you get no question right and no question wrong. If you get more than 80% wrong, you get less than 400.

  19. noah 02/08/2007 at 11:24 AM #

    If you score under 700, it really doesn’t matter HOW FAR under 700 you scored. Being really close to 700 and being really far from 700…it’s like talking about the people who ALMOST survived the Titanic.

    The SAT was recalibrated a few years ago so that 1,000 was the average. Back when I took it, if you broke 1,000, you had done very well. My brother was accepted into NC State with a score over 1,000.

    As far as Chris Washburn is concerned, you should read the wikipedia entry on him. I wrote it.

    I had two encounters with Washburn after he was booted out of the NBA. I went and saw him play in a USBL game in Greensboro. He had lost every bit of his athleticism. He still had decent hands, but he couldn’t run anymore. The only thing more depressing was seeing Brien Taylor (also in Greensboro, as luck would have it) after he hurt his shoulder. They had a gun on him and I sat right behind the scouts watching him. He was only hitting the mid-70s and he had no control.

    The next encounter was when he showed up at the reunion game they held at Reynolds a few years ago. I was shocked that he showed up. I talked to him after the game for a little while. I reminded him of his game against UNC in 1986 (the one where Nate blocked two consecutive layups by Carolina guards). I mentioned watching him sprint down the court and hanging with Kenny Smith step for step.

    He just said, “Yep. I messed up.”

  20. Dan 02/08/2007 at 11:30 AM #

    Guys remember that we’ve had our share of prep schoolers lately.

    Darrell Blackman and Andre Brown come to mind first. It seems we’ve had a little Hargrave pipeline running lately. Its not all that uncommon to prep for a year.

    The thing that has to worry UNC is that the sheen off of BD’s arse may not be as bright after his first season with Bunting’s players. It might not be that easy to get those kids to stay committed if they have to prep for a year. Amato did a good job with Brown and Blackman getting them to stay on board while they prepped.

  21. CaptainCraptacular 02/08/2007 at 11:35 AM #

    What happened to the heightened acedemic requirements that were enacted for all University of North Carolina System schools? Don’t tell me they got a 670 on the SAT but yet also completed the extra math/language credits (or whatever the specifics are) needed to meet the requirement?

    Dave Glenn had mentioned these increased requirements for UNC system schools at the bottom of the entry here:
    http://www.wral.com/sports/blogpost/1102787/

  22. noah 02/08/2007 at 11:37 AM #

    I don’t have a problem taking a handful of kids that are borderline in a given class. What worries me is when the ENTIRE class is borderline. Amato had one class where something like 75 percent of them were borderline.

    As I understand it, not only does Carolina have a substantial number of borderline cases, they fully expect that a great number of them WONT qualify. Not, “have work to do”, but flat out, “This guy is going to JUCO or prep school.” They only had about 14 or 15 scholarships to give and they ended up signing almost a full class.

  23. CaptainCraptacular 02/08/2007 at 11:37 AM #

    Here are the specifics to the article I mentioned.
    From Dave Glenn:

    *For example, starting this fall, all UNC-system schools will require at least two units of foreign language. (The NCAA requires none.) UNC-system schools also now require four units of math and three of science. The NCAA requires only two math and two science units right now.*

    *As recently as 2004, the UNC-system had no requirements for foreign language and demanded only three math units. The extra (beyond the NCAA minimums) math units involve classes beyond algebra I and algebra II, such as geometry and calculus. The extra science unit typically involves biology, chemistry, physics or a laboratory course.*

    *”Those are important differences,” the ACC coach said. “Can you imagine recruiting a star player, and Memphis tells him he can take so-and-so classes as a senior, and you have to tell him that he still needs calculus and physics?*

  24. beowolf 02/08/2007 at 11:41 AM #

    A couple of things:

    First, this issue is also being covered in the Charleston Post and Courier.

    Second, look how a 670 SAT score compares with recentered scores at not just UNC-Chapel Hill, but all UNC institutions. This is from the UNC System’s most recent Statistical Abstract of Higher Education in North Carolina:

  25. ChuckAllYall 02/08/2007 at 11:42 AM #

    Noah,

    Good stories. I remember watching Taylor pitch during his comeback in Greensboro too. It was pretty sad to see how much he’d lost after the injury (fight). It begs the old question about whether or not it’s better to have had and lost, or to have never had at all. I guess in Washburn’s case it must be pretty depressing to know what “might” have been, which, judging by his comment at the reunion game, he fully realizes.

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