A View From the Cheap Seats

I am a State fan. There is a plausible sincerity to these words, an earnestness that rings poetic.

To mention these words is to seemingly reveal your character, the very essence of your soul. It is shameless and self-affirming, an unabashed sense of pride about whom you are, perhaps a tad arrogant, however devoid of elitism. To state these words is to affirm that your loyalty is absolute and unwavering; you have laid claim to a title that commands respect because you are genuine – a flailing sense of dedication is not tolerated. There is a subtle swagger in the way you say it, a bluster that only another true State fan can ever entirely comprehend.

And still yet, as a State fan, you are not exactly teeming with bliss, but rather a desperate longing for satisfaction, appeasement. There exists within you an undeniable complexity, a dichotomy to your nature common among Wolfpack Nation. You are patient and forgiving and doggedly loyal to a fault, but you are marked by a looming forlornness of unfulfilled expectations and dashed hopes. Yet somehow you are decidedly resilient, having borne the stigma of the 90s and shunned any of its accompanying shame.

And of course, you hate Carolina; it’s inherent, a black or white issue: You cannot be a true State fan and have even the slightest inkling of any tolerance for the team O’er the Hill. That is undeniable, scientific fact.

I hate Carolina. There’s a solemn sincerity in these words as well, although they might not be quite as poetic. I hate them with such a fiery passion that I delight as much in a loss for them as I do a win for us. I so despise losing to them, that when we do, the trauma takes days off my life.

But do I even know why I hate them so much?

See, I don’t hate Carolina because the bastards are perpetual media darlings or because everyone gushes over their storied and hallowed tradition of excellence or because they had a legendary coach that unified them for decades or because they have won five (still counting as of today) national championships and 15 ACC titles.

I don’t hate the Well or the Bell or the supposed magnificent aura of the Dean E. Smith Center.

I don’t despise them for the fact that even when we are better than them they usually find a way to beat us or that Tyler Hansbrough never blinks nor fouls. I don’t wallow in the desperation of the fact that Ishua Benjamin always seems to get bumped out of bounds with less than a minute to play leading to a puzzling jump ball call or that there’s always a Jim Knight around to take points off the scoreboard at a crucial moment.

I don’t deplore them for hanging in the rafters the jersey of any player who ever plopped his sweaty ass on the bench and I could care less if they have a nationally-exposed, bitter, storied rivalry with Duke and act indifferent towards State.

I don’t hate their pseudo-elitist personas and I don’t hate the media-bias in favor of them from Manteo to Murphy.

I don’t hate that anywhere I’ve ever been I could find a Carolina hat (including, most recently, on the ski slopes of Italy) or that everyone that moves to North Carolina always cheers for them because of “how good they are.”

I don’t despise the fact that I cringe whenever someone says “Tar Heel State” and that when I’m governor someday my duties will require that I pretend to be proud and excited that they won a championship when the team visits the mansion while secretly I’d like to build a wall around Chapel Hill and fill it with water.

I don’t hate that Carolina fans have no idea what it’s like to endure true frustration because after two years of mediocrity they solved the problem.

I don’t hate them because we’ll never be close to where they are in basketball and will never consistently dominate them in football, yet we’re unwilling to ever accept that reality.

I don’t hate Carolina for any of the aforementioned trivial reasons.

Wait, that’s precisely why I hate them.

About LRM

Charter member of the Lunatic Fringe and a fan, loyal to a fault.

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85 Responses to A View From the Cheap Seats

  1. ChuckAllYall 02/02/2007 at 2:00 PM #

    Yep, I think that pretty much sums it up.

  2. forst8 02/02/2007 at 2:13 PM #

    Amen. You had me going for awhile and I was thinking of all the ways to contradict your statements. Good to see you came through in the end. I hate them because of who they think they are.

  3. Cosmo96 02/02/2007 at 2:22 PM #

    I grew up a hugh Carolina fan. My attire was almost exclusively baby blue. When I was a little kid, I would cry and throw a temper tantrum when they lost. Even though I didn’t have a lick of talent, I just KNEW that I would play for Dean Smith someday.

    Here’s the thing, though. When it came time to go to college, I didn’t even apply there (I’m not even sure exactly why). I could have easily gotten into school there, but didn’t bother. State was the first place I applied, the first I heard back from, and the rest is history. I was still a Carolina paritsan when I stepped foot on the West Raleigh campus in the fall of ’92. That lasted all of 3 weeks. By the end of my freshman year, I had a hatred for them that still burns just as hot and intense today. It’s strange how that’s turned out, because again, when I was a kid, I was the biggest unx fan you could imagine.

    “When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man I put away childish things.”
    -I Corinthians, 8,11

  4. gumbydammit 02/02/2007 at 2:25 PM #

    I don’t believe I could even in jest say that I don’t hate Car…Car… Caro… C..C…Car… Nope. I can’t say it.

    Carolina, (to quote Eric Cartman) I really, really hate you guys.

  5. Rick 02/02/2007 at 2:36 PM #

    I sometimes wonder if it is child abuse to raise my two year old as a State fan.

  6. packbackr04 02/02/2007 at 2:52 PM #

    did anyone see the N&O artcle saying that state and Herb are better off without each other…. amen to that. 0-9 in PAC 10. way to go!

  7. Skeet Hooter 02/02/2007 at 3:18 PM #

    There are many reasons to despise Chapel Hill, but a conversation I had a few years ago helps to chraracterize at least part of the State feelings about it all. I was out with some friends – one a Chapel Hill grad and her husband an Auburn grad. (Auburn grad knows exactly what Wolfpackers feel because he feels the same way about Alabama.)

    Anyway, Chapel Hill grad wonders why it is that all State fans hate Chapel Hill so much. She thinks State should hate Dook so much more; she says Dookies always think they are better than anybody else. My response was that a good portion of Dook folks were Yankees (no offense intended to all y’all Yankees out there), had lots of money, their Daddies owned big businesses, they had big, beautiful homes, etc. They probably were better (or maybe at least better off) than many of the rest us from this state. Not that much of a reason for us to hate them.

    The folks that went to Chapel Hill all grew up just down the road from us. Their Mamas and Daddies worked with or had jobs just like our Mamas and Daddies. Our houses and cars and everything else were pretty much the same as theirs. There were a few exceptions, sure, but all through elementary, middle, and high school, the Chapel Hill folks and the State folks were pretty much the same type of people. But the minute they were accepted at Chapel Hill, they immediately thought they WERE better than us. That is certainly not something I will ever accept.

  8. tractor57 02/02/2007 at 3:23 PM #

    “Here’s the thing, though. When it came time to go to college, I didn’t even apply there (I’m not even sure exactly why). I could have easily gotten into school there, but didn’t bother. State was the first place I applied, the first I heard back from, and the rest is history. I was still a Carolina paritsan when I stepped foot on the West Raleigh campus in the fall of ‘92. That lasted all of 3 weeks. By the end of my freshman year, I had a hatred for them that still burns just as hot and intense today. It’s strange how that’s turned out, because again, when I was a kid, I was the biggest unx fan you could imagine.”

    This is much like my story although I never thought I could play BB for Dean (or for anyone else either). When it was time to select my college choice I only applied to State. My last “official” act of pulling for C … (I can’t say it either) was the football game in 1974 – from that point onward it was only State. I missed the two glory years for basketball (I attended the State in the in between years) but I remember proudly pulling for State BB in 1974 against the “Evil Empire” (UCLA) and there was the magical moment in an apartment in Spartanburg, SC that 1983 evening.
    My story is I learned the error of my ways.

  9. ChuckAllYall 02/02/2007 at 3:28 PM #

    Skeet Hooter, I agree with what you’re saying. It’s the kind of thing that if you have to explain it to someone, then they’ll probably never get it anyway.

    See ya’ll at the game tomorrow!!!

    I’ll be the guy covering my face everytime Gavin Grant picks up his dribble for no reason.

  10. BoKnowsNCS71 02/02/2007 at 3:46 PM #

    It’s harder to be a State fan. It take more strength to be a loyal State fan. What hasn’t killed us — has truly made us stronger in so many ways.

    When opponents think State is beaten — we rise up and shock you — and the taste of that victory is like – well — like “fava beans and a nice Chianti”.

    There have been moments when we ripped defeat from the jaws of victory. However, at those moments in time when we are victorious — The wins are sweeter than the finest honey.

    Losing builds character. Learning from loss and then winning shows character. Character is an important part of leadership and being successful — earning one’s success –not having it handed to you.

    And the wolves are starting to run together again, in a pack, gaining strength. And they love lamb — with some fava beans and a nice Chianti. Maybe not tomorrow — but soon.

  11. tractor57 02/02/2007 at 3:50 PM #

    I’ll bet we will see more “fire” this year as compared to the past few years. State may not win but I expecting a hard fought game. Speaking of Fire I surely wish Monroe or Whitt could be standing just outside the three point line for Big Ben to hit them with a pass.

  12. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 02/02/2007 at 4:04 PM #

    ^^^It is an ABC game which means Gannon may be calling the game.

  13. tractor57 02/02/2007 at 4:07 PM #

    “Terry the cannon” would be nice to have just inside midcourt for that pass from the post.

  14. packbackr04 02/02/2007 at 4:34 PM #

    so the game is televised tomorrow. i looked on pack pride and it was showing no TV slot for us tomorrow. i guess i shouldve known. pack pride is garbage. and any time unc plays, its on tv
    it doesnt look good tomorrow, but if we play like we did wednesday, Sid might have our guys in a position, to have a chance to win this game. And as an earlier thread on this site a few weeks ago said. As long as you give your guys a shot to win, that is enough for me this year.

  15. highonlowe 02/02/2007 at 4:39 PM #

    I don’t expect a win tomorrow, but I do expect respect.

  16. beowolf 02/02/2007 at 5:04 PM #

    Evrocck!

    There’s a name that brings back memories of the old State board back in the “wild west” days of ACCboards…

  17. TNCSU 02/02/2007 at 5:17 PM #

    Cosmo96 – your post could have been written by me – except I was about 8 years earlier! My dad played football and baseball for UNC, so I was always a die-hard fan growing up. It’s hard to explain, but once I stepped on this campus, I began the hatred. Here’s an example of the typical “uppity” Carolina “fan” that makes me want to yak, and why I can’t stand UNX. I’m decorating my gameroom with State stuff, having just moved back to NC. My wife was looking to buy some NC State fabric, and she found some at this store (had Mr. Wuf and the NCS logo). She mentioned to the woman at the fabric store that her husband (me) was doing an NC State Room, and she’d had a hard time finding fabric for some pillows and a window curtain. And although there was alot of the “Carolina” fabric, she couldn’t find very much NC State fabric — to which the Fabric woman said, “That’s because a Carolina fan would never DO that.” (i.e. only a MOO U fan would decorate a room with their team’s stuff, but an dignified Carolina fan wouldn’t stoop to such behavior!) Too bad I wasn’t there to tell that Fabric lady where to stick it! Damn, I’m not sure if I hate UNX or their fairweather, pansy fans more! GO PACK!

    A respectable showing where we NEVER GIVE UP is what I expect to see tomorrow! By the way, I do not allow any blue to enter my GAME ROOM!

  18. cpwolfpackfan 02/02/2007 at 5:23 PM #

    guys no matter the outcome tommorow, I am prowd of this team. They have been through so much and keep fighting no matter what. It is so much harder to be a state fan, but it is something i would never change for the world. I know when I sit and watch games with my other state fan friends, I know they will always be state fans. I can’t say the same thing about my UNC fan friends. The first sign of bad weather they go running. JUst like this past year in football, they didn’t go to one game, didn’t watch them on tv, but now that they have “god” butch davis they are talking about football season all ready. GOD i can’t stand UNC fans. Yall may be winners on the court, be we are winners in life. bitches

  19. redfred2 02/02/2007 at 6:01 PM #

    “fabric woman”

    Maybe since she likes UNC so much, she should be delivering newspapers instead.

  20. Woof Wolf 02/02/2007 at 6:23 PM #

    Or writing for one.

  21. chuck nevitt 02/02/2007 at 6:59 PM #

    Wow,

    Count me as another born n bred Carolina fan (my father grew up in Chapel Hill, his father worked in UNX administration). Didn’t bother to apply to UNX, only applied to NC State. Wanted to study Engineering. Attempted to cheer for UNX at my first Reynolds matchup, but just couldn’t do it. It was kinda like the Grinch… my heart grew, and grew, and grew… and then I was a true State Fan.

    MT

  22. redfred2 02/02/2007 at 7:07 PM #

    Woof

    That’s what I was implying. I thought since she gets a paycheck from textiles and doesn’t like NC State, that she could make a living off something UNC does. Since she probably can’t write for a newspaper, she could toss them out on people’s lawns.

  23. Woof Wolf 02/02/2007 at 7:18 PM #

    She could do as good as the other guys.

    Your boy Bobby Knight said, “We all learn to wrie by the third grade but most of us move on to better things.” Or something like that.

  24. Woof Wolf 02/02/2007 at 7:24 PM #

    “write”

    Apparently I didn’t learn well.

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