If NC State Is Ever In The Market For A New AD

If NC State is ever in the need of a new AD, keep the name Pete Garcia, in mind. Hopefuly one day we can get rid of Lee Fowler. If you want to read about the anti-Lee, check out this article from the Miami Herald.

If there was any doubt what direction the Florida International athletic program was going to take under Pete Garcia, it became evident on a plane ride in late October.

Less than two weeks into his new job as FIU’s athletic director, Garcia accompanied the football team to Tuscaloosa, Ala., where it lost 38-3 to fall to 0-8 on the season.

From his seat at the front of the plane, Garcia heard players joking around on the ride home.

‘I just went back there and said, `Last time I checked on the scoreboard we lost by 35 points, so let’s act like we lost by 35 points.’ ”

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32 Responses to If NC State Is Ever In The Market For A New AD

  1. swedish 12/01/2006 at 11:10 PM #

    i’ll take him over Lee any day

  2. Rochester 12/01/2006 at 11:10 PM #

    After LF, I’d suggest that one criteria for hiring a new AD is that they are a State alum. That would almost certainly eliminate the possibility of the next AD ripping the fan base, because he (or she) would be one of us.

  3. c6by66 12/01/2006 at 11:20 PM #

    It’s time for a campaign….LF has to go…Here is the link to the Chancellor’s web page. His email address is at the bottom…

    Write him…if you support LF…then I’m SURE that he would like to hear that…I have NOT heard ONE supporter back LF…

    Also, ask the local media why we are castigated for “dissing” HS (chasing him out of town…threatening his family) and CA….

    It SEEMS to me that UNX did NOT even give Matt D. a fair severance package…and they certainly expressed support for John B…

    You might suggest to the Chancellor that we need a JOURNALISM school…We need some help…

    WHY OH WHY….did we NOT FIRE LF FIRST…then let the new man(woman) address the CA issue…

  4. 86ncsu95 12/01/2006 at 11:39 PM #

    Well, since the other thread was stopped, I guess I have to post here. While I don’t think Internet posters are the #1 challenge for Wolfpack sports, I do see LF’s point. Instead of selecting the quote from the Richmond paper about he lover our fans and our passion to win, you selected the one potentially negative aspect and then decided to frame the conversation in a very negative way. You don’t know what LF meant by security. I’m no LF apologists, but I have to say this fan site has turned very venomous over a period of time. It won’t be long before SL has some losses and the boobirds show up very quickly. I’m glad CTC and HS are gone, but there is a certain level of civility I expect to see from SFN. Maybe that is the purpose of this site, to stir the pot, but it gets old seeing you bash our athletes and staff day in and day out. No matter who LF gets as coach, it will be the wrong choice. Guarantee it.

  5. WolfPup35 12/01/2006 at 11:41 PM #

    This isn’t exactly on topic, but did anyone else read the short article by Chip Alexander in the N&O this morning?? He brings up a very interesting idea….Dick Sheridan. A record of 52-29-3 is nothing to sneeze at, especially since we did NOT have nearly the facilities we have now. The man is an offensive genius, which we desperately need, and is known as a disciplinarian, something ELSE we desperately need. He might just say no, but it may be worth a shot to ask him. He left on his own terms (health) and surely harbors no bad feelings toward NCSU. If ol’ Jed Fowler can’t hire for the future, look to the past. Sheridan could very well be the answer NC State football desperately needs. REMEMBER 1986!!!

  6. beowolf 12/02/2006 at 12:22 AM #

    86-95, that is your perception, and I think it’s quite wrong.

    As for Fowler’s niceties before dropping the big bomb, you can bet that no commentator is going to remember how he said he “loved” our passion or whatever. No, the Dykeses of the superficial, no-nothing rent-a-broadcaster set will grab LF’s one comment about “security of his family” and blow it out of proportion till Herb Sendek sounds as if he was a hero in a Bruckheimer film rescuing his family against all odds from the rabid NC State “lunatic fringe” who couldn’t be satisfied with “just winning.”

    A smart AD would know better than to say that, knowing the nature of the beast. But given LF’s open aversion and contempt for Wolfpack fans on the Internet, I would hardly doubt that he said it knowingly.

  7. scoots 12/02/2006 at 3:01 AM #

    UNX fans bash Dickie Baddour all the time, but at least he doesn’t publicly ridicule them & bite the hand that feeds him like Foul-up does.

  8. chainsaw_rock 12/02/2006 at 3:02 AM #

    Yo LF… I became a State Fan at age 11 in 1981. I attended NCSU from 87 to 92 and graduated with a BS CPE. I am a member of what you call the Lunatic Fringe. I remember the days of regularly winning bb and fb games against duke and unx. I enjoyed the 8-3 Sheridan days and loved embarrassing wusses like King Rice in Reynolds after standing by the campfires at campouts by the tracks for nights on end. You, LEE FOWLER, are not a member of the Lunatic Fringe and should, as SFN and RAWFS recommend, move to Beverly…..

    To quote Vince Niel, ” don’t go away mad, just go away.”

    I have never threatened any coach or director of any sport at any school, ever. I just hate losing like the rest of the “fringe”.

    Go Pack! And long live Chainsaw Rock!!!

  9. Wolfpack4ever 12/02/2006 at 5:05 AM #

    chainsaw_rock Says: “Yo LF… I became a State Fan at age 11 in 1981. I attended NCSU from 87 to 92 and graduated with a BS CPE. I am a member of what you call the Lunatic Fringe.”

    I don’t recall seeing you on this site in February when LF referred to 50 or so people at that time who were INTENT on making life for HS miserable. I understand the lust for revenge and the taslte of blood that drives the originaters of SFN. You may qualify as lunatic fringe and I guess you are if you say so.

    In order to generate legitimacy for the lynching of LF they are staking a claim that LF is “ripping” his fan base. That is a lie. He foolishly ripped them then and he more foolishly continues to provide them with fodder for the mill.

    What you are participating in is similar to part of a marine boot camp movie where the DIs (SFN) drove that vulnerable recruit to suicide. The relentless pressure and the warping of the truth — twisting the ripping of a few internet message board hosts and participaters to mean the NCSU fan base– will ultimately get Fowler and he will either have to resign or will for the good of the university have to be terminated.

    I’m glad you have the stomach for it. I enjoy and participate in discussions and give and take on what the coaches could do and what they IMNSHO should not do, what good strategy might be — like I would know? I have occasionally tried to as I do now keep the Fowler thing in perspective. I’m starting to find that I no longer am willing to wade through the hate, to get to the good.

    Have fun. You seem to enjoy it.

  10. graywolf 12/02/2006 at 7:19 AM #

    Our last try at hiring an athletic director for a failure. Most of the wolfpack nation wanted Bobby Purcell to become our new AD. We ended up with Lee Fowler and have suffered since.

    Bobby Purcell has the history and the tools to become one of the most loved AD’s in state’s history. He has shown that he can manage at the Wolfpack Club and coach.

    I wish the BOD would see this and make a move.

  11. Rochester 12/02/2006 at 7:34 AM #

    Totally off topic, but there’s no “live” basketball string and I thought people would be interested. Julius Mays went off last night for 36 points in Marion High’s second game of the season. Good game recap here: http://www.chronicle-tribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061202/SPORTS02/612020336/1006/SPORTS.

    SFN: Thanks for sharing. We opened an entry on Mays.

  12. 86ncsu95 12/02/2006 at 8:03 AM #

    Maybe so BeoWolf, but it looks like Wolfpack4Ever has similar thoughts on the extremely negative tack this board has taken. Personally, I think this site has gone real negative lately and it will do harm. I certainly don’t think our University is the only one in the world that has this type of issue (I hesitate to call it an issue, because I love the whole “Internet is open and can’t be muffled” concept). I just think the timing of pressure on LF is bad.

    I am not opposed to his being fired. I think he is better than Todd Turner. Even though I didn’t personally like the Willis Casey / Frank Weeden team, I do at least know many of our sports programs were winners during that era (except football until Sheridan came).

    Anyway, I’ll keep reading because this is one of my fav sites, but let’s stay focused on coaching rumors and hopes and dreams, etc.

  13. PAPacker 12/02/2006 at 8:07 AM #

    There is an excellent post from the father of a former Georgia Southern player about Paul Johnson. He certainly makes PJ sound like the kind of fire in his bones, hunger to win, well organized coach State fans would appreciate. The similarities to Sheridan and Holtz seem apparent to me. I remember watching Georgia Southern play. It was a thrill to watch. They always lit things up. Not saying he is the guy. Bobby Johnson’s ties to State and his ability to perform well at schools without strong resources would certainly mark him as someone who could be an excellent choice. His staff has a strong Sheridan flavor to it. At this point, I’m hoping for a coach with the last name Johnson.

  14. PAPacker 12/02/2006 at 8:09 AM #

    I think Fowler’s career is going to take care of itself. Meaning I doubt he will be at State longterm.

  15. VaWolf82 12/02/2006 at 8:11 AM #

    The relentless pressure and the warping of the truth — twisting the ripping of a few internet message board hosts and participaters to mean the NCSU fan base

    You obviously have problems with reading comprehension. Here is the entire paragraph from the Richmond paper:

    “I love the way our fans are, I love the way they want to win,” Fowler said. “But it was really frustrating to see the lack of appreciation for Herb and how much he did here. Whether you liked it or not, he was a heck of a coach and very successful. I think all the criticism drove him away for the security of his family.”

    How can a few internet posters generate enough “criticism” to drive a coach away? Does anyone really think that LF was talking about only a few internet posters?

    It would be nice to have an AD that managed the media to portray NC State in a positive light. Since LF seems incapable of that, maybe he should just keep his mouth shut.

  16. HowlinWolf 12/02/2006 at 8:46 AM #

    I’ll tell you who else would make a great AD — Bill Curry. I realize he’s not an alum, but he’s not an alum of any of our rivals either. Check out his bio at: http://espn.go.com/ncf/s/bill_currybio.html . He played at Tech for Bobby Dodd, played for Lombardi in the dynasty years, and later played for Don Shula. He coached in the ACC at Tech, coached Bama to the SEC title in ’89 and was the Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year. He even had some success at UK.

    But that only tells part of the story. If you read his columns on espn.com and listen to his commentary on the broadcast, you’ll find he has a very balanced, reasonable perspective on college sports. Obviously, the BOT hasn’t asked my opinion, but if they do, I’d recommend Bill Curry for AD in a heartbeat.

  17. 98st8 12/02/2006 at 9:14 AM #

    86-95, Well said, that is what I have been thinking for days. This is one of my favorite sites on the internet but the negative attitude is getting old.

  18. blpack 12/02/2006 at 9:25 AM #

    I think the reason sites and some people seem so negative is the amount of dribble coming out of the AD and lack of leadership that is so apparent. Everyone makes mistakes; miscalculations. However Fowler has not seemed to embrace the whole Wolfpack Nation. He divides us if anything. He has spent the last 5 years defending his decisions instead of advancing the athletics programs. The reason why Neinas was hired is to help make sure State gets the man we need for the job. There are no guarantees, but obviously LF can’t handle the search. Do we want that in our AD?

  19. partialqualifier 12/02/2006 at 9:38 AM #

    Too bad Garcia doesnt work in the Chancellor’s office. It would be classic to see him “walk to the back of the bus/plane” and dress down Fowler for his stupid-ass remarks! I would pay to see that! Maybe this is how it would go:

    “Hey ‘Coach’ Fowler, last time I checked you are running an athletic department that competes well in only 3 or 4 sports a year. You just took over a month to hire a guy you could have had 5 minutes after Sendek quit. The most important revenue sport( football) has under-achieved while your coach stuck his foot in his mouth over and over again. Your propensity to embarrass yourself and the university is making me gag. Shut the hell up and look at the scoreboard!”

  20. 98st8 12/02/2006 at 9:45 AM #

    blpack, with all due respect Neinas was not hired and NONE of us have any idea of what is going on behind closed doors. And before you all jump on me for saying “that is the problem”, why don’t we just wait and see. My personal opinion (which certainly could be wrong) is that we had Paul Johnson as our 1a taget after Bill Cowher. Paul Johnson has stated that he will not speak to any of the coaching vacancies until after the Army/Navy game. If Paul Johnson was the target (which I fully support) and we land him, this search would have been handled perfectly. It is amazing to me how you say “LF can’t handle the search”. Do you work in Lee Fowler’s office? How in the hell does anyone know at this point. All I am saying is that all of us have reasonable minds that differ, but we all have the same aspirations for the university. For the sake of this website, please stop the negativity. For a long time I was in the corner of 90% of the people on this website for being critical of LF. But as the past couple of days have gone by, I do feel like we are the “lunatic fringe”.

  21. 94MEGrad 12/02/2006 at 10:42 AM #

    When the “followers” lose confidence in the “leader”, negativity will develop. This is true for business, a team, or an athletic department.

  22. Wolfpack4ever 12/02/2006 at 11:56 AM #

    VaWolf82 Says: “You obviously have problems with reading comprehension”

    So I’ve been told by other authors of SFN material when I’m not in agreement with their slant on what is said, written or occurs. I obviously do have problems with reading comprehension because I don’t read that as “ripping” the fan base. I also don’t consider the infinitesimally small number of Wolfpack fans who post on this or other message boards or blogs to be “the fan base.”

    I also obviously have problems with reading comprehension because when I went back and read all the archives, I didn’t see a lot about Fowler doing his job poorly except Jeff, as I have learned is his name, was really steamed because Fowler wouldn’t or didn’t fire “ole what’s his name.” That Fowler could not fire him unless authorized or instructed to do so by the BOT and Chancellor, never seemed to be a concern.

    Fowler really doesn’t know how to shut the stream of consciousness off that keeps getting him in trouble and providing ammunition for those who want to string him up. But he is none of the nasty things he is reported to be here. Oh, he is naive for sure, and little bit of a country boy and that seems to rankle some of the lawyer-types here. The swipes at Fowler for being country and a hick insult far more of the Wolfpack fan base — this is the fan base of the school where country boys can get a degree in poultry science, forestry and other non-porfessional courses of study — than what he has to say about message board authors.

    Fowler’s problem with the media isn’t that he wants the spot-light, it’s that he is so available to them. And they use that to create interesting copy. Watching the sharks in these waters circling Fowler is a bit like watching a good OC demolish an opponent’s defense. They take what he gives them and he gives them plenty.

  23. PAPacker 12/02/2006 at 12:43 PM #

    I think we should let the “lee fowler has to go” conversation go until after the search is done. It cannot do anything positive for the coaching search. We all care about what is best for State. There will be plenty of time after a new coach is hired to return to this. Anybody agree?

  24. class of 74 12/02/2006 at 4:39 PM #

    ^The sooner LF is gone the better off we all will be. He has no business as an AD at any school let alone our school. He would do the same things he has done here wherever he is employed.

  25. 86ncsu95 12/02/2006 at 4:47 PM #

    PAPacker, in full agreement. There is a time and place and in the middle of a search is not the place.

    Funny, I wonder if Rick Barnes had decided to come, would we still be having this discussion. It seems to me LF got rid of CTC at the right time and didn’t allow the situation to turn into a HS.

    That said, let’s see who we get. It won’t make everybody happy (only Cowher would have done that) and I’m sure some will continue to carry their fire-LF banner.

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