No Contract For Neinas? Say It Ain’t So, “Coach”

I may be overreacting, but a comment reported in today’s News & Observer causes some real concern about the coaching search.

NC State Athletic Director Lee Fowler, who stumblebummed through the Sidney Lowe hiring some months back, told the newspaper that, “[h]e has talked with Chuck Neinas, a Colorado-based headhunter who helped North Carolina hire Butch Davis, about the search but said there was no contract with Neinas.”

Now, while this is not specifically contrary to Fowler’s previous announcement that NC State would use a “search firm” for the hire, it seems odd, to say the least, that one would employ a search firm without a contract for that firm’s work.

Odder still is the recent report from the Charlotte Observer on the matter, which suggests a more concrete role for Nienas in the search:

Unlike the school’s basketball search, which athletics director Lee Fowler conducted on his own, N.C. State will use a consultant. Chuck Neinas of Neinas Sports Services in Colorado, who helped North Carolina hire Davis, will help Fowler gauge the interest of coaches and negotiate.

Perhaps, as a lawyer, I am hung up on the term “contract.” But let’s face it: most fans anticipated (and expected) that Fowler would not take the lead in this search given the university’s public humiliation the last time Fowler tried to hire a major coach. And in the Lowe case “Coach” Fowler was dealing with a sport he’d actually played and coached.

A scenario where Neinas merely acts as a sounding board for Fowler suggests a far more significant decision-making role for “Coach” than I am comfortable with. Simply put, there is nothing about Fowler’s work last time around – nor, in fact, in general – that makes one feel warm and cozy at the thought of him calling the shots for such an important hire.

And I’m not alone in that opinion. Even discounting the “lunatic fringe” (translation: loyal fans and alumni) members who openly concur that the prospect of Fowler running this search gives them the willies, consider today’s comment from, of all sources, Al Myatt of Bonesville.com:

Given the spectacle of N.C. State’s recent venture in hiring a basketball coach, Wolfpack athletic director Lee Fowler might do well to put Neinas on his speed dial as a successor to Chuck Amato is sought. Had that phone call been made after Herb Sendek left for Arizona State, the Pack would have been saved the suspense and agony of missing on high profile types such as John Calipari of Memphis and Rick Barnes of Texas.

Myatt also noted with approval how UNC’s Dick Baddour learned his lesson after the Beamer and Roy Williams fiascos – resulting in the Butch Davis home run. In contrast, there’s more than a whiff of evidence that Fowler still doesn’t get it; the public rejection of NC State feelers by god-candidate Bill Cowher has a depressingly familiar similarity to the Barnes turndown earlier in the year.

And of course, “Coach” being “Coach,” Fowler just took time out to blather to The Technician that other than finding a new football coach, it’s those dratted Internet fans that are – are you ready for this? – the biggest challenge for NC State athletics:

But other than that, the biggest challenge? It’s probably the message boards on the Internet. There is so much negative stuff coming off the boards, and I think that drives the newspapers. Then the papers are constantly chasing stuff that’s being talked about on the Internet. But I think that’s the biggest challenge facing all ADs.

There are so many people on the Internet, and you never know who they are. You don’t know if they are affiliated with N.C. State in any way.

Listen up, “Coach,” and listen well: I’m “affiliated” with NC State through the degree that hangs on my wall, among other items – an affiliation which, I note in passing, you lack. And based solely on your past performance, I don’t believe you are the best person to take the lead on this coaching search.

One cascade of national humiliation is quite enough, thank you.

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189 Responses to No Contract For Neinas? Say It Ain’t So, “Coach”

  1. NCStateDud92 11/30/2006 at 7:20 PM #

    Please don’t tell me Fowler is in charge of this search, PLEASE!

  2. WestCoast 11/30/2006 at 7:22 PM #

    “If you mean that you will be happy regardless of the new guy then fine.”

    I will. Because it was immensely frustrating watching our team play football the past three years or so. It sucks to have that gut feeling that we’re going to lose…and we do to Carolina because we played arrogant undisciplined football.

    If the next coach has our guys playing smart football and we lose because the other team was better that day….then at least I’ll know we lost to the better team that day and didn’t lose to a team we should have beaten because we made stupid penalties, etc.

  3. highstick 11/30/2006 at 7:24 PM #

    A lot better than what we had???? Not gonna happen as long as Fowler’s leading the search! Don’t give him any credit for hiring Lowe, I think it was “thrust upon him”!

    We should not settle for anything proposed by Jethro!!

    I’m a Lunatic! I’m a Lunatic! I’m a Lunatic!!

    Westcoast, any chance you’re really Fowler “in drag”???? LOL!

  4. WestCoast 11/30/2006 at 7:35 PM #

    You never know :). At the end of the day, we’re not the one making the hire here. If we were, we still wouldn’t all see eye to eye (unless we got Cowher I guess). Remember how you felt after we lost our sixth straight, well CTC is gone right? I don’t care who’s forcing LF’s hand, he got rid of CTC. Until I hear otherwise, I’m going to have faith in LF that he and this university will hire the right guy to get us W’s and make this kids play Smart football. What more do you want?

  5. highstick 11/30/2006 at 7:44 PM #

    The “heads of the scoundrels that have hijacked my alma mater”!!!

  6. waxhaw 11/30/2006 at 7:51 PM #

    If we want PJ, we better get it in gear. He could be courting other offers soon.

  7. PTOWOLF 11/30/2006 at 7:58 PM #

    Spurrier received a membership to Augusta National via USC alum Hootie Johnson. The Ol’ ball coach won’t give that up to live in Ala-freakin’-bama.

  8. highstick 11/30/2006 at 8:10 PM #

    I may have missed it since this thread’s so long, but has anyone read the Technician article today and that Lee still thinks this “Lunatic Fringe” is still a bunch of anonymous freaks. If someone will compile a list of our “real names, dates of graduation, etc., I’ll be glad to forward mine along with a certified copy of my diploma. As well as my father in law’s, my brother in law’s, and several other family members…..

    It was also very obvious in the Technician article that Lee’s still focusing on “bricks and mortar” rather than the coach. While there’s a point to that, I think they sorta go “hand in hand” in building a quality athletic program.

  9. Wolfpack4ever 11/30/2006 at 8:35 PM #

    class of 74 Says: November 30th, 2006 at 4:21 pm
    “If I recall correctly, our esteemed AD said when searching for the BB coach he did not need a search firm because he had a good friend in that business.”

    Got a link for this? Would be good reading to educate some of us.

  10. Wolfpack4ever 11/30/2006 at 8:45 PM #

    From the BC blog,

    “I can script every offensive BC series to perfection every time. A run up the middle (he refuses to run off-tackles or sweeps) for 0 yards on first down. He then will throw a crummy screen pass to a back for 2 yards always leaving BC in a third and long situation. Since everyone and their mother knows that BC will have to pass, the defenses blitz the house and either sack Ryan and force him to throw a 5 yard pass to an outlet receiver. This being the case, can anyone please explain to me how TOB calls a 5 yard passing play in 4th down and long situations like he did against Wake and Miami. Isn’t the point to get a first down in these situations?”

    Sounds like Chuckie and Tressie to me.

  11. Woof Wolf 11/30/2006 at 8:52 PM #

    You know thes guys do watch tapes and learn (?) from each other.

  12. old13 11/30/2006 at 8:53 PM #

    I just had this great vision of Foulup, with his trusty flintlock, hunting the internet to take it down!

    FIRE HIM!

  13. Wolfpack4ever 11/30/2006 at 9:02 PM #

    Arkansas coach Houston Nutt could emerge as a candidate for the State job. Nutt’s Razorbacks (10-2) face Florida on Saturday in the Southeastern Conference championship game.

    Nutt is paid $1.05 million a year, not including bonuses, USA Today has reported. In nine years at at Arkansas he has a 67-42 record.

    Should Nutt need information about NCSU’s program, Arkansas defensive coordinator Reggie Herring held the same job for the Wolfpack in 2004.

    Staff writer Chip Alexander can be reached at 829-8945 or [email protected].

  14. Barry Saunders 11/30/2006 at 9:19 PM #

    My how short some memories are.

    Did not Nate McMillan issue an almost identical rebuff as Cowher’s approximately 4 days into the search?

    Did we not to a man express appreciation for Nate doing this early in the process and politely removing himself as a candidate?

    What, precisely, is everyone so upset about?

  15. WolfPup35 11/30/2006 at 9:30 PM #

    After reading all this, I’m probably gonna shit blood for a week.

  16. Wolfpack4ever 11/30/2006 at 9:32 PM #

    highstick Says: “I’ll be glad to forward mine along with a certified copy of my diploma. As well as my father in law’s, my brother in law’s, and several other family members…..”

    If your father in law, my brother in law, and several other family members are internet bloggers, why not let them handle it themselves?

  17. Buddygreen 11/30/2006 at 9:34 PM #

    I don’t read the Charlotte observer online, don’t know about the link. I just have the paper here as I live in the area. Sorry and don’t knowhow to tell you how to find it. I was trained on Fortran with punch cards at NCSU, not very useful these days. anybody else remember waiting all night on your cards to come through and if some a-hole got yoru cards out of order you had to do it all over again.

  18. brown pelican 11/30/2006 at 9:46 PM #

    buddy—i spent many a night in nelson myself—the key to the search?—there is only one—take a chance—we must reach out and hope to find the man who will bring the type of character and honor to the program that we all on this site who love the pack so much desire—winning is a process—a process that can and will be achieved by the elevation of such a man—who’s the guy?—not sure—however—i suggest that we mold the search around these principles and take our chances with whomever best fits the criteria—and dan—i’m sorry—if he’s a spread guy—so be it

  19. Wolfpack4ever 11/30/2006 at 9:47 PM #

    WestCoast Says: “If the next coach has our guys playing smart football and we lose because the other team was better that day….then at least I’ll know we lost to the better team that day and didn’t lose to a team (Carolina) we should have beaten because we made stupid penalties, etc.”

    Did you see the game? I did. They ate our lunch and wiped their mouths on our jerseys. It was disgusting but not because we made stupid penalties. We would not have won that game with the emotionless, flat we came out to play. I had a very bad feeling watching our boys walk out of the locker room. And that one we can truly lay on Chuck’s plate. It is his job to prepare his team to be emotionally ready, whether they are from NC like AJ or South Florida like so many of them.

    When they came out flat and not ready to play against ECU, is when I threw in the towel on Chuck. I can hardly believe that Chuck “Whie Shoes” Amato, himself, would fail in this regard.

  20. Wolfpack4ever 11/30/2006 at 9:52 PM #

    Barry Saunders Says: “Did we not to a man express appreciation for Nate doing this early in the process and politely removing himself as a candidate?

    What, precisely, is everyone so upset about?”

    Chill, Bro. This is a bash op. Don’t you get it?

  21. ncsunacho 11/30/2006 at 10:00 PM #

    Why isn’t there a FireFowler.com webpage yet??????

  22. highstick 11/30/2006 at 10:03 PM #

    http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/opinion/16128031.htm

    Here’s the link to the Charlotte Observer article.

  23. Woof Wolf 11/30/2006 at 10:17 PM #

    “Why isn’t there a FireFowler.com webpage yet??????”

    Build it and they will come.

  24. Wolfpack4ever 11/30/2006 at 10:43 PM #

    Exerpt from the Charlotte Observer: “Don’t blame Mr. Davis. He’s an experienced coach, and he negotiated a great deal. Instead, blame the leadership at Chapel Hill — specifically the chancellor and board of trustees. Blame the UNC system Board of Governors, too, for going along.”

    The writer knows where the responsibility lies in athletics — and it ain’t a strawman named Fowler.

  25. bTHEredterror 12/01/2006 at 1:06 AM #

    That’s funny. Bowles is one of those driving UNC for a football upgrade!

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