Never Forget (Updated)

With Chuck Amato’s ass sitting squarely on the hot seat for most fans, it is an interesting exercise to think back to the impact of one, unbelievable, unprecendented call just two years ago. Had NC State gotten the win it deserved in Chapel Hill two years ago, the program would have been to six consecutive bowls and never had a losing season under Amato.

Reminder

Couldn’t help but link this article from John DeLong today:

Carolina won the 2004 game amid controversy. State thought it was on the cusp of winning when one referee signaled touchdown on T.A. McLendon’s run with six seconds left. Another official overruled, saying that McLendon’s knee touched down before the ball crossed the goal line. State got one last chance, but botched the final play. McLendon wound up fumbling, after being stuffed short, and Carolina held on.

State can tell itself that it was cheated out of a win because of a bad call, and maybe it was a bad call. State can continue to believe it was robbed until the day that somebody replaces Sloan in the Guinness Book of World Records. Regardless, as the drama and controversy unfolded, Bunting kept his wits while Amato didn’t. Bunting made the most of his reprieve. But instead of regrouping and scoring from the one-foot line, Amato argued and moaned and then sent in an ill-conceived play that didn’t work. Anyone think that teams are a reflection of their coaches? Anyone see the chaos on the State sidelines in that sequence?

If Bunting gets Amato’s goat one more time Saturday, however, it’ll be with both forever. And it will be Bunting’s lasting legacy. And even if State wins, Bunting will still get one last parting shot. He’ll step aside, and Amato will have to coach and recruit against his replacement. That can’t be a very comforting thought, either.

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37 Responses to Never Forget (Updated)

  1. Wolfpack4ever 11/17/2006 at 3:31 PM #

    gopack968 Says: “Why can’t we just beat the crap out of someone we are clearly more talented than? Tomorrow is again just such a chance”

    I wouldn’t confuse won/lost records with talent necessarily. The Holes have had good talent all along. Did they not hold GT to 7 points? How is it that a team with a 3-7 record “should” beat the crap out of someone we are clearly more talented than?” So far we “should have beaten the crap out of ASU, AKron, SM, BC, FSU, WF, Md, Va, GT and now UNX and ECU. Clemson was going to beat the crap out of us, and now somehow we should have won that one too.

    By all accounts we expected to be from 3-8 to 5-7, but adding up the teams we should have bean the crap out of, we “should” have won 11 or 12. Amato has and will just about meet expectations and that is what the board of trustees will look at when deciding on his future at NCSU.

  2. legacyman 11/17/2006 at 3:51 PM #

    I guess some posters can’t read and comprehend. Daniel has been a better passer, much more accurate than Stone. He helped beat two teams that I greatly doubt Stone would have. I thank Marcus for his efforts at QB but he just didn’t have the head for it. Often I have thought he would make a very good tight end. He wasn’t placed there at TE early on for he was the only QB that supposedly was ready to play and later he had to be ready as the backup QB.

    Nowhere did I say that Daniel was a great QB or things were perfect now but they are better. If some can’t see that then apparently they are tied totally to Ws and Ls which is fine if it makes them happy.

  3. redfred2 11/17/2006 at 3:55 PM #

    4ever

    On the Stone/Evans thing again, which BTW seems to be as important to you as sticking up for Lee Fowler now, Marcus Stone shared duties with Jay Davis, was afforded the “luxury” of game time experience BEFORE all of the sudden being heaved into the starting role. I do not see why you can’t except that.

    Also Evans almost pulled out another game with a great pass on a huge play, except for a foot stepping out of bounds. There were also approximately ten dropped passes in the WF game that were not his fault.

    And it’s also apparent, to everyone else but you, that the team is playing better with him in the game.

    Forget all of that and just tell me, what is your alternative? Who do YOU think should be the starting QB right now?

  4. onewolf07 11/17/2006 at 4:06 PM #

    The high school I attended had a football coach that is very similar to Amato. He was very confident, promised a lot of good things and didn’t have the best record. Several years later, that school is winning more football games than ever and accomplished many playoff wins including going to the state playoffs. They are still coached by the same guy. Yes, Amato needs to make changes but it may just take time.

  5. Pack Laddie 11/17/2006 at 4:32 PM #

    Keep hearing from people on campus that would know, that losses to UNC and ECU will most likely get Chuck a breakfast visit from Fowler. And that if Fowler won’t do it, Fowler will get a breakfast visit from Oblinger, and then Oblinger will have a bagel with Chuck.

  6. Spin Wolf 11/17/2006 at 4:40 PM #

    ^We can only hope Laddie. I’d never pull against the Pack, but I can’t say I’d be all that upset if we lost the next two.

  7. class of 74 11/17/2006 at 5:23 PM #

    The people thinking Chuck just needs a little more time are the same people who buy power ball tickets thinking they’ll win $200M.

    Chuck your time here is almost up, and like Laddie said, if you lose the next two it is over.

  8. redfred2 11/17/2006 at 5:27 PM #

    Laddie, I truly hate that it comes down to this. Especially a game with the Hewels being one to determine his fate. But Chuck’s stubborness and unwillingness to experiment on the football field, until after bad results have already occurred over and over again, eases the reluctance to make a change for me.

    You obviously are involved and know better than me, but I’m thinking he’ll be around for 2007. That is unless he gets himself totally embarrassed in one of these last two games. If they do decide to do something, they had better have a definite replacement already packed and on his way. I don’t see them being that far out front on this, and they haven’t INTENTIONALLY set out with a definite plan, or surprised me with anything GOOD in a long, long time.

    Sidney Lowe is a blessing from above and the best we have hoped for, but that was a reaction to earlier failures. It didn’t involve foresight and good management to begin with.

  9. 66pack 11/17/2006 at 6:05 PM #

    what is the big deal of beating unc and ecu in a year like this.to be 5 and 7 rather than 3and9.i had rather be 3 and 9 with a slight chance of a new coach. anybody paying attention to possible waiver for davis salary.

  10. legacyman 11/17/2006 at 6:28 PM #

    If those on campus in the know, as alluded to by Laddie, release Chuck then they damn well better have Cowher’s name on the dotted line. Anything else and we ought to be getting their hides on a wall.

  11. wolfonthehill 11/18/2006 at 10:44 AM #

    All of the “we should’ve scored on the next play” garbage ignores the fact that you shouldn’t have to score a touchdown TWICE to get 6 points. We did it once. Ballgame.

    That team did what it had to do to win. I blame nothing on Chuck, T.A., or anyone else. The refs did not follow their own rule book and took points off the board that, by rule, cannot be taken off. End of story.

  12. packpower 11/09/2007 at 10:33 AM #

    Amato’s overall ACC record was one game worse than O’Cain after seven years. And that with UNC much weaker from 2000 to 2006 than 1993 to 1999. Amato inherited some really good and well-coached athletes from O’Cain and he screwed it up after Rivers graduated.

    We’ll defeat UNC tomorrow but that could be it for a couple of years. Amato’s recruiting classes declined after 2003 and those players did not receive good coaching until Major Tom appeared.

    This year’s team is 1-8 if Amato is coaching it. The last three games are all due to O’Brien’s coaching.

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