A View from the Cheap Seats

SFN Note: SFN welcomes a new author to the stable today. LRM actually helped contribute to the original Statefans.com back in 2002 and 2003 and has re-attached to our new blog team here at StateFansNation. We look forward to more of LRM’s “View from the Cheap Seats” in the future!

I’ll be honest: I really wanted Rick Barnes.

Hiring Sidney Lowe just seemed a bit contrived and markedly uninspiring. Let’s take the guy we know will say yes.

Sure, Lowe seemed to be telling us all the things we wanted to hear, and as part of The Family he fully understands – unlike the coach he replaced – what is truly important to the average State fan. Folks, say what you want, but this is really quite simple: beat Carolina, beat Duke, and win a few ACC titles along the way.

We’re staring down the loaded barrel of a potential Wake Forest versus Rutgers Orange Bowl. That may be the sign of the apocalypse so don’t tell me my expectations are too high.

But Lee Fowler touting Lowe an “excellent choice� just reeked a little too much of Dick Baddour’s rhetoric after he had to settle on Matt Doherty. Truth is, about the only positive things I could find to say about Lowe were that he has ties to the NBA, which should invariably help recruiting, and that he is not Herb Sendek.

Or maybe I was just disappointed that I’d bought so vehemently into the Barnes hype and then wound up having to begrudgingly take down all those future championship banners already hanging so beautifully from the rafters. Even still I have to wonder, if Lowe had been on the 1984 Georgetown championship team, would he still be such a great choice?

Excuse me if I didn’t exactly go out of my way to be ecstatic about this hire.

The thing is, I’ve been a State fan my entire life. But I’m in no way whatsoever an insider and I don’t frequent any message boards. I scan SFN and a few other sites to keep up, but for the most part my best source of “inside� information is usually my buddy Eric’s “gut feelings.�

You know, my gut just tells that we’re going to get Cowher in ’08. Sweet, that’s good enough for me.

I’m nothing more than your average State fan; I complain and criticize, yes, but having sold my soul to the Wolfpack Club, I’m entitled. So right or wrong, I remain convinced that missing out on Barnes, et al, is indicative of much broader issues at the top of our athletics administration.

Everyone knows that perception is indeed reality.

Yet, the simple fact remained that for years the disenchanted among us – that lunatic fringe – had demanded a change, and finally we had gotten our opportunity for a change, albeit not the change. Native Son Barnes wouldn’t be our next coach nor would a host of others not interested in competing against Roy and K.

Instead, it would become former player (not alum) Sidney Lowe, if for no other reason than because Lee Fowler said so.

And so I started crunching the numbers, and it didn’t look promising. By autumn, Lowe had inherited a team that would return only 36% of its scoring and 34% of its total minutes. We would likely be starting three guys – Costner, McCauley, Fells – that combined to average seven points and six minutes last season. We had given a scholarship to some guy named Bryan Nieman.

Luckily, over the years I have blacked out almost every unremarkable memory from that wretched 1995 season, sans the victory over #1-ranked Carolina in Reynolds. But after I realized what this season would likely have in store for Pack fans, it was déjà vu.

But like most State fans that will always be loyal to a fault, I went to see them play Wofford Friday night. And while I won’t say I have great expectations for this season, something strange happened before I could completely write them off as hapless losers. In a season-opener that felt more like one of those 14-versus-3 opening-round NCAA tourney games, where the underdog scorches the nets for 58% behind the arc in the first half while branding its brief cameo into One Shining Moment, and where the favorite has to surge at the end to advance to the next round: They hustled their tails off out there and won a close game.

For the most part, these are guys that have played very little together as a team. Only Atsur and Grant have significant playing time with each other; the others have either the benefit of being new to the team or being excluded from the rotation for most of last season – perhaps a blessing in disguise.

On defense they were fighting for boards, scrapping for steals, and diving for loose balls. On offense they ran the court and created scoring opportunities rather than try to score when some systematic approach dictated, and most importantly, exploited Wofford’s weaknesses in the low post.

They also scored 92 points and genuinely looked like they were enjoying themselves; I know I was. Wait, is that allowed?

Grant and Fells showed flashes of athleticism we could have only dreamed of in recent years with their finesse in the open lanes. Grant feels like the type of player that can explode and quickly take over a game – he’s more talented than Grundy and purer than Hodge. Atsur seemed more at ease running the point in a new offense where he can create plays rather than wait patiently for passing lanes to open up. McCauley is by no means ready to match up with McRoberts – he lacks refinement and probably the overall poise – but he didn’t hesitate to go strong to the basket every time someone dished him the ball in the paint.

Big men in the low post? What’s next, the forward pass in football?

The deplorable truth remains this is likely a 12-win team that will finish at the bottom of the ACC; depth and the obvious inexperience will prove to be huge issues in the long grind of an ACC schedule as well as a respectable non-conference schedule.

But if this team continues to play with the passion and intensity every night that they showed against Wofford, then it will be very tough not to get behind this team. It’s not something I’ve said a lot in the past decade, but this could be an exciting State team to watch. And the dreamer in me can’t help but think Lowe’s first team has at least a couple big upsets, defining victories, in store.

I can think of two right now that would make me very happy.

About LRM

Charter member of the Lunatic Fringe and a fan, loyal to a fault.

06-07 Basketball General Sidney Lowe

69 Responses to A View from the Cheap Seats

  1. DRW 11/16/2006 at 1:43 PM #

    Great post.

  2. Pack92 11/16/2006 at 1:55 PM #

    Great post is right. The guy sums up what most State people felt after the Barnes fiasco and the way we felt hearing about the style of play used in the Wofford game. Good thing is, after thinking about Barnes, I was glad he didn’t come. What’s he won? He’s just another Mack Brown who is King of the hill (till Stoops reloads) in a weak conference (Roy’s gone) and wants it to stay that way. No thanks Rick. I want the fighter who is looking for a scrap. Welcome home Sid.

  3. jwrenn29 11/16/2006 at 1:56 PM #

    “Big men in the low post? What’s next, the forward pass in football?”

    Let’s don’t get carried away now…we’re trying to let the defense shine not get the offense involved on the football field and we can only do that if every game is close.

    As for basketball, we may not be the most talented, but I will SO enjoy watching because of the hope and hustle. 🙂

  4. jwrenn29 11/16/2006 at 1:57 PM #

    By the way Pack92…Mack does have a NC under his belt now. So ‘just another Mack Brown’ isn’t as much a slap in the face as it used to be. Maybe you mean ‘he’s just another Butch Davis’?

  5. dj9686 11/16/2006 at 2:03 PM #

    That was a very nice post and I do agree with LRM in that I had the same first impression when Sidney was hired. Lee was getting tired of being turned down, like the desperate guy looking for a prom date, and was starting to feel like the main character in “Thinner,” so he went with they guy who he finally knew wouldn’t say “no.” But after the preseason games–no blow outs, but this could be a good thing in the long-run–in watching the Wolfpack you can see a more confident team that’s not afraid of being buried on the bench if the screwup once. We’ve got an offense that can score points despite a preseason look that didn’t seem to indicate that. We have more scoring options rather than just the 3 and the back door. (Didn’t ASU shoot up 38 treys in their game against Northern Arizona?) And now we have a coach that, albeit after one game, that seems to be able to make in-game adjustments.

    Sidney does seem to inspire his players rather than confuse them with philosophical, non-basketball related analogies, and I think I will enjoy watching this team more with a 12 or 15 win season than I did with 20-22 wins under Herb. Many times even the wins were tough to watch.

    Sidney is out there recruiting hard and quickly has produced a very promising class next year. Maybe Lee Fowler lucked into the best thing that could have happened to NCSU?

  6. BladenWolf 11/16/2006 at 2:03 PM #

    Another great post from SFN. No where else do you get this kind of stuff. With quality a post like above, I’m glad you’re back with the team LRM. Lok forward to reading more.

  7. wirogers 11/16/2006 at 2:10 PM #

    The other key is (and has been stated on this blog many times), we as fans MUST spend the extra time and money to go, watch the games, support, and bring the excitement to the games that these players and coaches deserve.

  8. primacyone 11/16/2006 at 2:23 PM #

    ^”They also scored 92 points and genuinely looked like they were enjoying themselves; I know I was. Wait, is that allowed? ”

    I went to the red and white game and felt the same way wathing them play each other. I’m expecting the team to finish last in the conference and I havn’t had this much fun with NCSU basketball in 14 years. It is allowed. It used to be a given – win or lose.

    Just think, if the team ends up 11th in the league it will be an awesome year. 10th and we will party likes it’s 1989.

    Great post.

  9. sksr97 11/16/2006 at 2:48 PM #

    That was a very good post!! It started a little scary from my viewpoint. Only because I am one who is very happy with the hire.

    I say this because while a lot of people were hoping to land Rick Barnes, I was not one of them.
    Rick had solid teams that were ranked during his tenure at Clemson but he didn’t fair well against the Smurfs or Dookies. Then he goes to Texas and he didn’t become “King of the Big 12” until Roy W. left for Smurfville.

    So, why would he want to come back to the pressure of trying to win in the ACC and beat two coaches he has never had much success against.
    Barnes and Texas Basketball will be like the Duke or Carolina of the Big 12 for years to come.

  10. Pack92 11/16/2006 at 2:55 PM #

    jwrenn is right. i forgot about the silver platter NC. Way to go USC. Of all the games you had to pick to be sloppy in…

  11. redfred2 11/16/2006 at 3:06 PM #

    I was never on the Rick Barnes bandwagon.

    He woud have been an improvement and probably had some success, but not what we needed right now.

    Someone needed to lead, and help to get the overall perspective back from the ground up in Raleigh, AND THEN, set sights on conquering the world.

    Like he said when he realized it himself, it was Sidney Lowe’s job to do. He’s back there rebuilding the pride and bringing the real NC State back into focus, and there isn’t a single X or O involved in the most important aspect of his job at the moment.

    I’m off the podium and surrender the balance my of time.

  12. packbackr04 11/16/2006 at 3:11 PM #

    great post, and i agree with the point that Fowler is luckier than a dog with 3 dix.

  13. redfred2 11/16/2006 at 4:09 PM #

    primacy

    I just saw your reply over back over closed thread about Herb. It looked just like the first one so I must have skipped over it yesterday. It’s not exactly what I had in mind, but FUNNY “again” either way!!!

  14. swedish 11/16/2006 at 4:14 PM #

    great post, im really excited about this season. I beleive we can finish better than 10th in the ACC. Very excited about the new recruits and i wish LEE FOWLER would get FIRED

  15. redfred2 11/16/2006 at 4:33 PM #

    ^Primacy

    You mentioned Dan earlier, I wonder where that boy has been lately? He’s usually all over the recruiting news. I really started to worry about him on one of his last post here when I guess he got confused thought he had highlighted a link about a possible recruit, but when I clicked on it, it was a real estate guide for homes available in Tempe.

    ???

    It’s either that, or he has a real job. You think Herb was him paying all along? He had to be, Dan seemed too smart for it to be any other way.

  16. primacyone 11/16/2006 at 4:44 PM #

    Red^

    Now that is funny. Glad you liked the other reply.

    I’ve been wondering where Dan is myself. I was starting to think he resurfaced as wolfpack4ever.

  17. PackGirl 11/16/2006 at 4:46 PM #

    This post has really struck a chord with me. I am pretty naive about the finer points of basketball coaching (only started paying serious attention during Herb’s last few years) but I definitely did notice a huge style difference in the 2 games (Northern State and Wofford) that I’ve seen thus far. It was a little scary but VERY exciting. I think we’ll lose a lot this year, but it will be fun along the way. I will be screaming my lungs out for every single kid out there. (I love rooting for the underdog anyway).

    As the saying goes, “sometimes you don’t know what you’ve got until it’s gone”. But in this case, I didn’t know what was missing until I got it. I’m so happy Sid’s here!

  18. legacyman 11/16/2006 at 4:53 PM #

    “As the saying goes, “sometimes you don’t know what you’ve got until it’s goneâ€?. But in this case, I didn’t know what was missing until I got it. I’m so happy Sid’s here!”

    Packgirl,

    Have you been around before the last 15 yrs or are you a newbie fan? You are stating what many of us have been shouting for three or four years. We old folks who were around for the Case years, the Sloan years and/or the Valvano years definitely know what good basketball is and can be again. I am totally excited over having Sidney back home and feel that two or three years from now we will be back.

  19. redfred2 11/16/2006 at 5:01 PM #

    primacy

    LOL!!! That’s even funnier!!!

  20. JT 11/16/2006 at 5:05 PM #

    When Barnes’ name came up I almost wretched. Excellent coach who had his shot at UNC and Duke and failed. And then he fled. And his style of ball was horrible to see at Clemson- just a big muscular low scoring wrestling match type of thing. Old school Big East. Aesthetically horrible and ultimately unsuccessful.

    I’m totally pro-Sidney. I think his resume is killer, much better than Doherty’s was. I don’t need to revisit the terrible situations under which he was head coach in the NBA. And the one thing people legitimately wondered about was the recruiting. It seems he’s well on his way to answering that question.

    At times I liked Sendek’s system. When it worked it was like a well oiled machine. But when it didn’t it was awful to watch. And the scoring droughts- God, the scoring droughts drove me nuts. and those droughts were byproducts of the system. Lowe’s style is going to be a lot more fun and less frustrating for the fans- and that’s something that can’t be ignored as important. He has the personality AND the b-ball knowledge a State fan can embrace. I’m psyched.

    And if Cowher comes? Damn, that’s too cool to even ponder.

  21. PackGirl 11/16/2006 at 5:09 PM #

    legacyman- I guess you could say I was a fairweather fan to some extent. The first basketball game I ever watched (even on TV) was when State was playing in the final rounds of the NCAA tourney in ’83, shortly after I moved to Raleigh. I was hooked at that point but then lost interest after Les Robinson came in and really didn’t get back into it until around 2002-3 (Herb’s later years). I guess I got used to Herb’s style during that time. But I’m a die-hard fan now – and thrilled to be in on the beginning of the Sidney Lowe era. (I even watched a rerun of the NCSU-Houston game from ’83 that was on several days ago from 1 to 3 am in the morning!)

  22. redfred2 11/16/2006 at 5:12 PM #

    The only problem a system is that, it’s a system.

  23. redfred2 11/16/2006 at 5:18 PM #

    “and really didn’t get back into it until around 2002-3 (Herb’s later years).”

    Sorry, PackGirl, that statement in itself, disqualifies you from “fair weather” status.

  24. BladenWolf 11/16/2006 at 5:20 PM #

    You know… until primacyone pointed it out, I simply forgot that it could be “fun” again to watch Pack b-ball – regardless if we won or lost.

    I clearly remember watching Valvano on the sidelines flailing away and screaming and pointing and jumping up and down -and I ate it up. I was psyched just watching the damn coach!

    And what primac brought out was that it can still be that way agian- THIS season- as long as the guys get up and down the court, have fun playing ball, hustle for rebounds, scrap for the loose ball, and can stay in the game ’till the end.

    Just like it use to be.

  25. redfred2 11/16/2006 at 5:25 PM #

    BladenWolf

    That’s what I’ve been trying to say about this whole season and trying to rally people to go to these early games. Win or lose, it’s fun when the players are ‘allowed’ to play their hearts out, no matter what happens in the end.

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