Wake Forest 25, NC State 23

On a beautiful day for football in Raleigh, Wake Forest kicks 3 50 yarders to down the Wolfpack.

Couple Saturday afternoon thoughts for the blog:
-Great day for football. Noon games stink.
-Late arriving crowd, got into the game in the 2nd quarter.
-You would think a TD saving safety would be a good thing.
-Please kill the cartoon on the jumbotron before the game.
-Andre Brown is clearly better than Toney Baker, but Baker had a lot more touches in the second half.
-The second half play calling was a C+ at best. I would run Brown before Baker on first down
-One day we will “chip” a DE on a screen pass
-Jim Grobe is a great coach and hopefully he will get the hell out of Winston Salem
-Deraney didn’t have his “A” game today
-Mike Nugent Jr. had a great game
-John Bunting will be fired sometime soon
-If we lose to UNC it will be a death blow to Amato
-The 330PM game selection this saturday is awful.
-Officials missed a clear late hit on Andre Brown’s long run in the 4th quarter.

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120 Responses to Wake Forest 25, NC State 23

  1. Woof Wolf 10/14/2006 at 5:21 PM #

    If we lose to UNC this year he should resign; call it in on his cell phone; get in his Corvette; and get out of town.

    Carolina os 0-3 in the ACC, 0-2 in the Big East and 1-0 in 1AA.

  2. packpigskinfan23 10/14/2006 at 5:27 PM #

    how can you say Brown is clearly better than Baker after todays performance?! Brown had ONE good play all day… Baker had a more then a few. I think WF did a good job of shutting Baker down, and we just went with Baker more, for that reason….

    it was one hell of a game… bad ending, good game for a football fan… just not an NCSU football fan.

  3. packpigskinfan23 10/14/2006 at 5:38 PM #

    ^shutting brown down…. excuse me.

    I am not saying that Brown ISNT better then Baker…. but I dont think it can be said that he IS either….

  4. Hawkeye Whitney 10/14/2006 at 6:20 PM #

    “Andre Brown is clearly better than Toney Baker, but Baker had a lot more touches in the second half”


    Baker scored two TD’s in the game and didn’t fumble the football. Both of these guys are pretty impressive, and Amato is smart to get BOTH of them as many touches as possible. Also, Brown was shaken up after his long run, and so I thought it made sense for Baker to carry the ball for the rest of that possession and beyond. That is the advantage of having two good backs. Can anbody watch a re-play of Toney’s second TD run, during which he broke what appeared to be a sure tackle and then ran over two players to the endzone, and then seriously begrudge this young guy his carries?

  5. Wolfpack4ever 10/14/2006 at 6:36 PM #

    Where to start? I don’t want to get into the Brown/Baker thing. The fumble for that cost us the safety might enter in the equation. Brown was slow getting up on the late hit… could have been a problem.

    The play calling was samo samo from last year. One of our famous out cuts was resulted in a dropped INT right in the DB’s hands. Would have been a TD. Did we go to Geron James? Did we go deep at all.

    Greg Williams sucks as a DB coach, I mean he is past his prime. WTF coverage were we in that let a receiver be that wide open at the end of the half. The women FGS in my section were questioning the DB play.

    I’ve touted LeRue Rumph before. He must have had a hundred tackles and PBUs.

    Not the we Shooooould have beaten Wake but we lost a game today we should have won.

    This not helping. I’m going back into my funk. Think I’ll take the wife to see the Robin Williams movie. Critics say it sucks. Who cares.

    I must be a real masochist. Thinking about driving up to MD Saturday. Go State!

  6. packpigskinfan23 10/14/2006 at 6:51 PM #

    ^Wolfpack4ever, the reciever was that open because the DB saw what was about to turn into a run, but their QB saw it right before… I agree though… there is NO reason he should have been THAT open…

    and yes, WHERE WAS THE DEEP BALL?!?!?! thats how we won our last two games!!! and we didnt seem to go for it much AT ALL in this one…

  7. whitefang 10/14/2006 at 6:52 PM #

    “Jim Grobe is a great coach and hopefully he will get the hell out of Winston-Salem”
    Chuck Amato is a terrible coach and hopefully he will get the hell out of Raleigh.

  8. dweedle 10/14/2006 at 7:18 PM #

    im tired of the backflips counting points

    especially when we have less points than the opponent

  9. old13 10/14/2006 at 7:23 PM #

    From GoPack.com: “The interception by Gaddis ended the Wolfpack’s chance to replicate the dramatic fourth-quarter comebacks over Boston College and Florida State. Evans also took a big hit on the play, receiving medical treatment after the game.”

    Anybody know what the injury is or how serious it is?

  10. BJD95 10/14/2006 at 7:25 PM #

    I think we played pretty well. Wake just beat us, plain and simple.

  11. Woof Wolf 10/14/2006 at 7:48 PM #


    I thought we played about as well as we can play. We can get better but that was probably our best effort for today. Sometimes you get the breaks and sometimes you don’t.

    We beat BC. BC beat Clem’s son. Clem’s son beat WFU. Wake beat us. FSU lost close games to us and Clem. I think the Atlantic Division is wide open. Can we win it? Hell yes!

    If we don’t is it a disaster? Hell no! If we finish .500 it will as much as most of us expected going in. Can we get to a BCS bowl? I doubt it, but I’m not giving up yet.

  12. Woof Wolf 10/14/2006 at 7:57 PM #

    ^Correction: Didn’t mean to make you ten years younger or 90 years older, but the “0” was right beside the “9”.

  13. packpigskinfan23 10/14/2006 at 8:06 PM #

    yeah I do feel that we played a tough game and both teams deserved to win it…. unfortunatly we wernt the ones who got the W…

    we are still on a good path.

  14. ushum 10/14/2006 at 8:57 PM #

    andre brown is averaging twice as many yards per carry than toney baker this year…

  15. beowolf 10/14/2006 at 9:10 PM #

    One thing I haven’t been able to understand is WHY our defense, which has been pretty danged good the last three years, is so UNABLE to get turnovers. This is just one more game that a turnover would have spelled the difference between a W and an L.

  16. Mike 10/14/2006 at 11:01 PM #

    I was disappointed in the lack of passing game downfield. Seemed every pass today was a dump or screen. Wake always seems to play two deep in coverage, making the deep pass more difficult. They play with the philosophy bend but dont break. Thye figure eventually a team will make mistakes but dont give up the deep ball. Evans may have made all the right reads today, but we did not throw the ball downfield at all.

    And beowolf, I cant understand how we are continually burned on the reverse and misdirection. Once, OK, but dang, we got burned multiple times today on it.

  17. Mike 10/14/2006 at 11:04 PM #

    Oh yeah, forgot, the tiebreaker will play out before year ends. Right now 4 teams with one loss, but we still have Clempsun, Wake still has BC. Anyone can win, and there will not be a 4 way tie.

    How ’bout them Bulls of USF???? Only redeeming thing about today, Heels lost to a 2nd rate team. Will be looking for all the trash I remember hearing from them last year after the bowl game, love it!

  18. elee624 10/14/2006 at 11:05 PM #

    can everyone just relax about the football team? look at the numbers from the game today folks. we statistically beat wake forest in every single category today except for the big one, the scoreboard. the guys played well. take away the last 90 seconds of the first half and we cruise to victory. it’s not time to fire chuck amato. whatever numb nut said that needs to get their head back on their shoulders. we BEAT wake forest today physically. they score a 57 yd touchdown on a busted play and a safety that wouldn’t have happened had the defender not kicked the football 20 yds back when andre dropped it trying to switch hands. it was a fluke situation. NOT THE COACH!!! get off him.

  19. Mike 10/14/2006 at 11:15 PM #

    Also, one other thing that sticks out in my mind. At the end of the half, we are playing it safe, happy to be up by 1, 2 minutes to go in the half. Fluke fumble and safety, and now we have to kick. Wake gets ball on 25, 1:30 to go. Wake, a running team, does not play it safe. They come out trying to score before the half. Playing to win, give them credit. We played it safe, playing to not lose.

  20. 38packfan 10/15/2006 at 12:18 AM #

    Well played game on both sides, just wasn’t the day for the Wolfpack. WF simply capitalized on their opportunities while we did not. Just more experience on Grobe’s football team.

    ^ushum, Yards per carry is almost useless in my book. Remember, Michael Turner averages 6.8 ypc and LT averages 3.3 per carry, both for the Chargers. Who do you want on the field???

    Wake played great run D today always filling the gaps and pursuing great on the stretch plays. The big plays for Brown just weren’t there. Thus, we really needed the more consistent 3-4 ypc from Baker today to have any chance of establishing a drive. I completely agree with TB getting the majority of the carries.

  21. statered 10/15/2006 at 12:52 AM #

    whitefang is a terrible poster and hopefully he will get the hell out of statefansnation.

    Between the stupid comments by some folks at the game and on the boards after the game….jeez.

  22. OwenDorm83 10/15/2006 at 7:29 AM #

    end of the half killed us. Congrats to the Deacs. They’re the real deal. Panthers need an understudy FG kicker – they should look to draft Nugent Jr.

  23. whitefang 10/15/2006 at 7:52 AM #

    I apologize to everyone about getting on CTC. I was wrong. Of course coaching has nothing to do with losing 3 out of 4 years to that NFL factory over in Winston. State can’t match them in facilities, and there is no way to recruit talent on a level with a football powerhouse like Wake. Hell, without Chuck’s brilliant coaching, we would have lost 4 out of 4 because we had to go to overtime to beat them in 2004. It’s OK cause we’ll get ‘em next year. 3 and 3 is great because we are halfway to 6 and 6 and we only lost to Akron, Southern Miss, and Wake – teams we are expected to lose to.

  24. CaptainCraptacular 10/15/2006 at 8:04 AM #

    ^^^ *And beowolf, I cant understand how we are continually burned on the reverse and misdirection. Once, OK, but dang, we got burned multiple times today on it.*

    It seemed that each time the reverse was run (I remember 3 specifically), it gained less each time.


    And about Mr. Negative (not you Mike). Remember the SFN motto: Don’t feed the troll.

  25. noah 10/15/2006 at 8:26 AM #

    Where was the deep ball? Oh, I dunno…maybe the deep cover 2 drops by the Wake Forest secondary had something to do with that???

    I love the DETAILED criticism you get with football. The genius sitting behind me who BITCHED all day long, “Thoo thu bawl down du feeeld!” I had a guy one time who complained that we ran a play “where we fumbled” instead of calling the play “where we scored a touchdown.”


    Defensively, we made the big plays by getting out of our lanes and over-pursuing. Wake does such a good job of blocking that if you want to make the tackle, you have to shoot a gap BEHIND the play to make the hit. That means when they run misdirection and reverses…you’re going to be in trouble.

    You have a choice, you can give up 10 yards a carry and not give up the big play…or you can make the big play and give up the occassional 50 yard play.

    Also….if Daniel Evans learns to throw the ball away, we win this game 26-25. We needed his 12 yard scramble on third down. But his scramble for about 2 yards and the little flip to Baker cost us the game. He got absolutely DRILLED on the sideline and looked like he was down for the count. The coaches and the players had to pick him up and point him back to the huddle.

    In hindsight, it probably would have made sense to send Stone out there just to spike the ball, stop the clock and let Evans clear his head a little bit.

    I don’t think he was entirely sure where he was or what he was doing. He spent a lot of time directing traffic before he threw the ball into no-man’s land.

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