ACC Stuff: Tigers Renew Acquaintance with O’Cain

I got an email from a Clemson buddy this morning that forwarded this link and said:

I forgot about O’Cain being on the staff at Va. Tech….explains a lot

O’Cain has now been fired as the head coach or head offensive coach from three of the twelve schools in the ACC, and the Clemson fans seem to be the most negative about MOC’s time on their staff.

State people continue to await the “revenge of Mike O’Cain” that was often predicted by so many NC State fans who were perplexed by O’Cain’s firing at NC State. We hear that old “macd” is still heard rattling his sabre predicting that ‘O’Cain is going to prove to NC State just what a big mistake it was to fire him.’

Of course it will be a requirement that someone hire O’Cain as a head coach for this prediction to become a reality. It’s now been seven years without O’Cain getting a head coaching job offer. (What do some of the NC State faithful knows that the open market of college Athletics Directors can’t comprehend?) You know…there is a job currently open in Chapel Hill right now. If MOC was such a great coach for NC State – as all the Carolina people told us that he was – then why don’t they hire him?

Dustin Fry said he’d like to say hello to Mike O’Cain before tonight’s game at Virginia Tech because he didn’t get to say good-bye.

The Hokies’ quarterbacks coach, O’Cain was on Clemson’s staff for four seasons but was fired as offensive coordinator in 2004.

O’Cain, a native of Orangeburg, joined the Tech staff this year.

There isn’t much too much to the article, but hte following comments are interesting. It seems MOC has signficantly altered his famous view of “loyalty ends with the paycheck” that he expressed when he left NC State.

“It’s probably tougher when you play folks you know,” said O’Cain, who served as head coach at N.C. State and an assistant at North Carolina before returning to Clemson.

“I have great friendships down there,” he said, “guys that are on the staff, in the administration, families.”

The separation was quick, and O’Cain walked away graciously.

“That’s just the way it happens,” O’Cain said. “All of a sudden those ties are cut.”

In other former coaching news:

* 850TheBuzz has a great entry to serve as a central stopping off point for Carolina coaching news. Fansblog doesn’t think that Butch Davis will be coaching in coaching in Chapel Hill next year and they tell you about it in this link. This is just the start of the coaching carousel for this year.

* Dick Sheridan is in the news today.

* Herb Sendek was in our news yesterday.

* We had a lot of good and relevant links yesterday.

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40 Responses to ACC Stuff: Tigers Renew Acquaintance with O’Cain

  1. packbackr04 10/26/2006 at 10:36 AM #

    Id like to see Ocain and Trestman in a fight…. I bet there would be alot of scratching, slapping, and screaming.

    BTW- while we are talking old coaches, how about the job our old D Coord is doing at Arkansas. He’s a great coach, our D was #1 in the country his year here

    SFN: It would have been a huge boon to have kept Reggie Herring on staff. I don’t think that NC State has created a defensive turnover since he left.

  2. BoKnowsNCS71 10/26/2006 at 10:45 AM #

    Some friends tell me that MOC did a good job working with quarterback development while at State (Barnette and others). He had a chance to prove that with Whitehurst but that QB was good at times then erratic. Now MOC is at Tech and they are not producing. There’s a trend here. As an OC — that seems to be too much for him lately.

    The temperature is going to 42 degrees in Blacksburg tonight – uncomfortable for Clemson. MOC knows the Clemson offense. Lots of pointers to an upset of Clemson by VT. Guess we’ll see a Clemson blowout. If MOC pulls off a tech win — he might save some face.

    I just keep flashing back to a picture during the State-Clemson game when MOC was there and we were embarassing Clemson in Death Valley on a Thursday night — There was the score and O’Cain in the OC booth head in hand.

  3. DRW 10/26/2006 at 11:00 AM #

    Can we get Sheridan back to replace Amato before we hire Cowher after he retires from the Steelers? 🙂

  4. choppack1 10/26/2006 at 11:14 AM #

    I think MOC is QB coach at VaTech, not OC.

    I would consider MOC the classic system coach. He was never OC here at State, and I think part of the struggles he had both at UNC-Ch and Clemson were a result of trying to work outside of the confines of those systems. I believe that part of the reason MOC enjoyed some successes here were a direct result of keeping a good bit of Sheridan’s staff intact.

    We ran the same basic things that Sheridan ran, but we passed it more. We did find creative ways to get Torry Holt involved – (unlike GaTech who can’t seem to utilize Calvin Johnson enough.)

    MOC’s probably best suited for his current role at VaTech – QB coach. He did a very good job before he was HC of having our QBs prepared on Saturday – Bender, Harvey, Jordan, Montgomery, and even Davenport all executed their game plans much better than Davis and Stone (and unfortunately, possibly even Evans.) When he became HC, Barnette – originally recruited as an “athlete” ended up starting and is now, I believe, second in passing yardage at NC State.

  5. Lock 10/26/2006 at 11:41 AM #

    Despite my stances on certain other coaches…I was not in the least surprised when we got rid of O’Cain. His ‘run 5 yards backwards to try for one yard forward’ approach to offense never seemed to work very well, from what I remembered.

  6. Pack92 10/26/2006 at 11:46 AM #

    MOC might have been a “decent’ (used loosely) QB coach but who couldn’t put up numbers throwing to Torry Holt? Even Duante Culpepper looked good throwing to Randy Moss.
    Mike’s overall style was not to win but keep from losing. The last game I saw him coach we did not go for it on 4th and inches on the Virginia side of the field, then put our tail between our legs in prevent defense while VIrginia marched down to kick a winning field goal. I never went back as long as he was there.

  7. GoldenChain 10/26/2006 at 11:49 AM #

    Yeah, that MOC, glad we got rid of him! Beat FSU one week then lose to Baylor the next. And the best season he had was what only like 9-2 or something.
    Seriously;
    I guess the more things change the more they stay the same.

    Does make me wonder what MOC (w/Sheridan’s staff) could have done with the quality of recruits that CtC had brought in.

  8. Clarksa 10/26/2006 at 11:57 AM #

    “SFN: It would have been a huge boon to have kept Reggie Herring on staff. I don’t think that NC State has created a defensive turnover since he left.”

    I’m not a stat guy, but if I read it correctly then:

    Herring 2004 #1 ranked defense*: 6 fumble recoveries, 9 INT’s
    Dunlap 2005: 11 fumble recoveries, 13 INT’s
    Dunlap 2006 YTD: 3 fumble recoveries, 3 INT’s

    *who couldn’t stop Madison Hedgecock…

    Needless to say, I don’t hold Reggie as high as a lot of people do…when your offense constantly turns the ball over on their own 30yrd line, the defense doesn’t have to give up a lot of yards before they score.

  9. brown pelican 10/26/2006 at 12:44 PM #

    mike o’cain is one of the classiest guys in the business—his roots with sheridan—all the way back to orangeburg-wilkerson high school show through—about as good as it gets in designing a crossing game for the vertical pass—apologies here to hal mummee, chris hatcher, and mike leach—his downfall?—the aformentioned inability to win consistently—and—his loyalty to his staff—when dr. fox let him go—she knowingly put him in the proverbial rock and a hard place regarding staff decisions—he had to choose—he chose to leave—i believe that he could have succeeded at the same level that chuck has if he had been given the support for the program in terms of $, facilities, etc—his run at clemson was poorly timed—following rodriguez was going to be extremely difficult for anyone—good luck tonight coach o’cain

  10. WTNY 10/26/2006 at 1:00 PM #

    For some reason I thought of Coach O’Cain responding pleasantly to every Don Shea malapropism:

    That’s exactly right, Don.

    Sure, we weren’t successful enough with him at the helm. However, he is a classy man who has hopefully found a position where he will be successful.

  11. choppack1 10/26/2006 at 1:01 PM #

    “Mike’s overall style was not to win but keep from losing. ”

    Actually – some things are just wrong. Do you remember the Syracuse win, when we went for 2 in OT? Yea, that was playing to keep from losing….Part of the reasons we had so many blowouts vs. FSU was the fact that MOC would get 2 TDs and start going for it on 4th down, figuring the D wasn’t stopping them, why punt?

    There were definitely times when he was too conservative – the 1st UNC-Ch game in Charlotte sticks out. After coming back from a 17 point deficit to tie in the 4th quarter – we got the ball back w/ 1:30 seconds. We took one long shot down the field – and then he packed it in and played for OT, where we eventually lost.

    As others have mentioned – MOC’s biggest problem wasn’t his knowlege of the game or managing the game itself. He failed because his teams quit on him at times and because he couldn’t beat N. Carolina – probably the latter more than the former.

    Time has shown that MOC was probably in over his head and that a change needed to be made. NC State has benefitted from MOC leaving. MOC’s career has gotten progressively worse.

  12. redfred2 10/26/2006 at 1:01 PM #

    Pack92

    I agree about the talent of T Holt, but Barnette and took total control and added whole new dimension when he got starting spot. I don’t how much that had to do with MOC’s coaching, but Jamie Barnette deserves more credit for his play than it seems he ever receives.

    I also think we’ve seen flashes of great talent and the ability to go up and get the ball at WR this season. But will they be regularly exploited again???

  13. Trout 10/26/2006 at 1:07 PM #

    “The last game I saw him coach we did not go for it on 4th and inches on the Virginia side of the field, then put our tail between our legs in prevent defense while VIrginia marched down to kick a winning field goal.”

    Wow. That game was the first or second game of the 1995 season. So you didnt attend or watch another game from the start of 1995 to the end of 1999?

  14. Pack92 10/26/2006 at 1:52 PM #

    I said, quote, ” I never went back as long as he was there” unquote. I don’t believe watching a televised game was addressed.

    Yeah, the Syracuse game was a good example of inconsistency. We could win those games TWICE and beat Fla. State but look stupid against Baylor, and worse, UNX. I know for a fact blaming that on teams quitting is ridiculous. Poorly disciplined, poorly coached teams quit. Mike was/is a fantastic person but not much of D1 head football coach.

  15. Mr O 10/26/2006 at 1:59 PM #

    That is college football in general. MOC didn’t have the talent to dominate every game. He pulled off the two biggest upsets during the my years as a fan(1993+) against Texas and FSU. His coaching most definitely had something to do with those games. Chuck has beaten FSU also, but that was FSU in their prime and with NC State teams with a lot less talent than what Amato has recruited.

    His biggest flaw was his inability to recruit the athletes we needed to compete at the top of the conference…not his lack of ability to be a head coach.

  16. Woof Wolf 10/26/2006 at 2:12 PM #

    “i believe that he could have succeeded at the same level that chuck has…”

    MOC’s ACC record was 26 – 28. CTC record is 25 – 27. Mike’s problem was he didn’t beat Carolina. If he had gone 3 – 4 against them instead of 0 – 7, he would have been mediocre enoough to hang aroun another year or two. I wonder what he could have done with Phillip.

  17. choppack1 10/26/2006 at 2:49 PM #

    “I know for a fact blaming that on teams quitting is ridiculous. Poorly disciplined, poorly coached teams quit.”

    Actually, I’d say that poorly led teams quit. Part of leadership is getting your players to play when their backs are against the wall and when things aren’t going well. IMHO, this is one of Amato’s best strenghts – his kids don’t quit they keep on playing until the final whistle. When a team quits, it doesn’t mean that they didn’t have a good plan, it means that they don’t believe in their leader and/or their mission.

    I’d also say that Amato’s kids lack discipline on the field, but they certainly don’t quit.

  18. Pack92 10/26/2006 at 4:36 PM #

    choppack, I couldn’t agree more. I would just include everything (the leadership aspect) you said under coaching.

  19. choppack1 10/26/2006 at 4:42 PM #

    Pack92- Cool – I wish we could find a coach who was good at X and Os, managed the game well, AND convinced his players to battle to the bitter end…Maybe we have one in Sidney.

  20. Pack92 10/26/2006 at 4:53 PM #

    Sidney is the MAN. We just gotta believe.

  21. highstick 10/26/2006 at 10:26 PM #

    Ye of little faith! Barring a Va Tech collapse in the final quarter, the Clempson Dynasty this year is over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They’ve got at least two more losses in them this year if Chuck and Spurrier figure it out!

    My blood runs Red and White with a tint of Garnet and Black!!!!!!! There’s no Orange’s allowed in my house!!!!!!!!!!!!

  22. BoKnowsNCS71 10/27/2006 at 8:10 AM #

    Credit due. I said previously (above) “The temperature is going to 42 degrees in Blacksburg tonight – uncomfortable for Clemson. MOC knows the Clemson offense. Lots of pointers to an upset of Clemson by VT. Guess we’ll see a Clemson blowout. If MOC pulls off a tech win — he might save some face.:

    Congrats to MOC and the other long time assistant coaches who called plays that made Beamer look like a genius. They showed that Clemson is a paper tiger.

  23. Packaholic1 10/27/2006 at 8:35 AM #

    While you wonder what O’Cain would have done with PR, wonder what he would have done without Norm Chow, because he certainly would not have been here.

  24. Woof Wolf 10/27/2006 at 8:43 AM #

    Yeah, I thought about that when I wrote it.

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