06-07 Top Guards (Updated 5pm)

With basketball approaching before you know it, Gary Parrish ranks his top 20 point guards in America in this column.

The ACC lands three of the top 10 playmakers, but none of the next ten. Obviously Dick Vitale wasn’t doing the list or you could automatically add a Duke player to the list to give the ACC four slots.

4. Sean Singletary (Virginia): Singletary last season became the first Virginia player to be named first-team All-ACC since Bryant Stith in 1992. That’s a long time. That’s impressive. That’s why you shouldn’t be surprised when this classic lead guard who can score at a high rate — he averaged 17.7 points per game as a sophomore and put 35 on Gonzaga — has the Cavaliers back in the NCAA Tournament for the first time since 2001.

6. Tywon Lawson (North Carolina): Every time you put a freshman on a list like this, people are bound to send e-mails featuring the phrase “but the kid hasn’t even played a game yet.” Please, save the e-mail. Lawson has played lots of games, thousands of games. That he hasn’t yet done so at the college level is inconsequential, and you’ll see that once he’s running Roy Williams’ Tar Heels up and down the court in 30-point victories.

8. Jamon Gordon (Virginia Tech): Gordon is really a combo guard, but one who is good enough with the ball to play the point, evidence being that his assist-to-turnover ratio was better than 2-to-1 last season. If he’s too high on this list, so be it. I’ve always been a sucker for point guards hard enough to average 6.0 rebounds per game.

Additionally, CBS has listed their top 20 shooting guards in the country (Link). “Interestingly”, UNC’s Wayne Ellington – who has never played a second of college basketball – is the 7th best shooting guard in the country. Wow!

7. Wayne Ellington (North Carolina): I’m not sure Ellington is the next Michael Jordan, but he can certainly be the next Rashad McCants. The 6-4 talent just might challenge Tyler Hansbrough for the team’s scoring title, and do so within the flow of the Tar Heels’ offense. With so much depth, North Carolina should play even faster — and score more — than normal. Among others, Ellington will benefit, and he could be the ACC’s Freshman of the Year.

12. J.R. Reynolds (Virginia) 6-3 Sr. 17.0 3.1 Along with Sean Singletary, gives Virginia one of the best backcourts in the nation

15. Gerald Henderson (Duke) 6-5 Fr. NA NA He won’t shoot it as well as Redick, but he’ll dunk a lot better.

18. Anthony Morrow (Georgia Tech) 6-5 Jr. 16.0 4.5 Back injury could sideline him until late November.

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125 Responses to 06-07 Top Guards (Updated 5pm)

  1. redfred2 10/04/2006 at 4:41 PM #

    ^ShoostingGuard

    Thanks for backing up my philosophical BS with cold hard facts. Just proof that there is no room to bring up personnel with this group versus the group that Sendek inherited back then. Also that the whole basketball program is much further down or totally off the charts in comparison, with respects to it’s standing in the world of college basketball .

  2. redfred2 10/04/2006 at 5:12 PM #

    What year was it that Les Robinson was able to suit up 7(I think?) players because of injuries and the restrictions in place?

    Call it a laughing stock or whatever you wish, the program was down. So a totally hand cuffed Les Robinson stepped in to stop the bleeding and later was out shown by the next guy.

    woo hoo, what an accomplishment

    I do not prefer call it a laughing stock back then, or this label it as so now. The earlier fiasco, though hard to acept, was at least done in the name of NC State, this last charade was just done recklessly with total disregard for anything that NC State has ever stood for.

  3. ShootingGuard 10/04/2006 at 6:48 PM #

    “The difference is that the PROGRAM was a laughingstock when Sendek took over. Now, the ROSTER is just severely depleted. Both involve rebuilding, but they are distinguishable.”

    I guess you missed all of the Greg Doyel + Jim Rome media types LAUGHING FROM COAST TO COAST as well as all of the Wake and UNC and other fans LAUGHING OUT LOUD during the coaching search and subsequent Ced, Davis, Werner, and Brackman departures…

    Sendek got us out of the play-in game…but also 10 MORE YEARS away from our last ACC Title and last NCAA title…The 16-18 yr old kids Sendek was recruiting for his 1st year at State were actually alive when State won the NCAA once and ACC twice…The 16-18 yr old kids Lowe is recruiting for State right now have spent their lives watching Les ball and Herb ball at State w/ ZERO titles of any kind to witness…Who has the tougher sale about what the “program” is and can be??

    The bad thing about basketball—lose a key guy or two and your “program” goes from really good to the tank (just ask WFU about losing Chris Paul & friends)…

    The great thing about basketball—pick up a great kid and lead guard like Chris Wright and guys like JJ Hickson and Tracy Smith and you suddenly have a GREAT program…

    WRIGHT, HICKSON, SMITH…COME ON DOWN!!!!!

  4. Woof Wolf 10/04/2006 at 6:54 PM #

    redfred2:

    Half of your audience never saw a Case team, a Sloan team, or a Valvano team. If you had only seen the last 15 years of State basketball the last five years would look pretty good.

    Give Coach Lowe a little time to show them what we are talking about and then they’ll believe. Until then, you are wasting your time arguing with them. It’s kinda light trying to explain to an eight year old, how great girls are.

  5. redfred2 10/04/2006 at 8:09 PM #

    It is very hard, or almost impossible to explain that we were IT!!! We were the ONES!!! We were absolutely the program that the rest of the league was chasing after. Even before I can remember during Coach Case’s years, we were the cream of the crop. We weren’t always the at the very top through my earlier years, but were always there and more than able to hold our, or beat the best teams around on any given night, year after year after year.

    I always knew what Everett Case and basketball meant to NC State, and was constantly reminded by other fans, State alums, announcers like Jim Thacker, who were connected and admired the Wolfpack for it’s great tradition. Later it was Coach Norman Sloan, then Jim Valvano. All of those names were allowed to fade away simply because of a new approach to the game. A new game which was so far removed and bore no semblance to the past, that it made the legends of old hard to even bring up in an intelligent conversation.

    The Wolfpack basketball program was totally surrendered and became the brain thrust of one Herbert Sendek, a coach who couldn’t relate, didn’t want to relate, to anything NC State. Tradition, fans, nothing, he thought he knew it all and wanted to go it totally alone, come hell or high water. And he did.

    After so much time has been wasted away, I guess that is just too hard fathom that we were once that great. We’ve moved further and further away from that greatness as every year/season has pasted us by. The ‘older’ among us remember it all too well.

    So does this coach.

  6. Mr O 10/04/2006 at 8:17 PM #

    Herb’s first team was one of the least talented teams in the history of ACC basketball. He was supposed to sweep UNC??? It was a miracle that we got four wins in the regular season and a 7-5 finish including the ACC tourney.

    Someone brought up the NC State/Houston game? We didn’t slow the ball down that game as everyone expected us to do. Still, we only scored 54 points to win the game.

    The key is winning games. I don’t care how it is done.

  7. redfred2 10/04/2006 at 8:51 PM #

    “He was supposed to sweep UNC???”

    What context does that statement relate to?

    I didn’t expect Herb to sweep UNC in his tenth season, though I thought he might have a better chance than he did in his first, BUT….

    You are right, the key is winning, but which games?

    The national championship game?

    Or just another big check in the winner’s column after a game with Gardner Webb?

    On one hand, there are losses that have be suffered to accomplish an ultimate goal. Then on the other, win after win can be accomplished that mean absolutely nothing in reality.

    You can’t jump from one, directly over to the other, those two different types of basketball games have nothing in common.

  8. class of 74 10/05/2006 at 8:01 AM #

    I wonder how E. Case did it? He had no history to draw from or great facilities to attract anyone seeking the big time. He did not even have the lure of the ACC back then. And all he had ever done prior to coming to NCSU was coach high school kids! Wow, based on some of the comments above was he setting himself up for failure or what?

    The point is Sidney has alot more going for him than Case did and Case was pretty darn successful here. Just because the past two coaches were less than stellar do not put limits on Sid based upon those guys results.

  9. Dan 10/05/2006 at 9:22 AM #

    Red, dude, am I going to have to hire a hypnotist for you. It appears its the only way you’ll ever let go. Lowe-Ball is upon us. Screw talking about any coach past who didnt hang banners. Let him go the way of Les Robinson. Do we sit on here and argue about Les all day?

    Its not healthy for you man. I’m starting to think the Bald Budhist owed you money.

  10. redfred2 10/05/2006 at 10:16 AM #

    Dan,

    Check the date on my posts.

    Those were all yesterday.

    I’m way past all of that stuff now.

  11. redfred2 10/05/2006 at 11:41 AM #

    Everett Case had a vision of what things could be like with some innovation. His vision, was not unlike Dan’s #1 man’s, and the coach for ages, one Herbert Sendek’s (that’s a joke Dan, lighten up dude), involved the fans and the spectator side of basketball, everyone was invited to come along for the ride. Many of your older, now Carolina fans, were all over the and loved Everett Case’s Wolfpack back then. The same was also true to a lesser extent during the Norm Sloan and in the Jimmy V era. People follow the excitement, and Case must have been a master at creating it out of thin air. Before my time, just based on what I’ve read and heard.

  12. ShootingGuard 10/05/2006 at 11:42 AM #

    74,

    This is not meant to debate Case vs Lowe…Case is one of THE all-time greats by anyone’s measure, and Lowe has a lot to prove…I just think it is QUITE a bit unfair to Lowe to even speak the names Case and Lowe in the same sentence…Case would have thrived in ANY decade, but what Lowe is up against is totally different…

    Case had very little competition. There was no Nike or ESPN influence to overcome. Case didn’t have to deal with AAU pimps. Case’s recruits actually had to go to high school, and high school coaches were actually important. Lowe has to deal with all of that “upside down basketball world” crap.

    Lowe also has to deal with today’s higher academic requirements at State as well as NC’s imposed requirements. Lowe will have to overcome established coaches who have had their moments at programs like Georgia Tech and Maryland and Wake Forest while also swimming upstream vs the entrenched Nike-ESPN $upported UNC & Duke (sort of like all of MLB swims upstream vs the Yankees). The playing field was MUCH flatter for Case to come in and become the troubadour that he was.

    It would be incredibly unfair for UCLA fans to expect Ben Howland to do what John Wooden did, and, by the same token, it is crazy to expect Lowe to do what Case did. It’s a whole different era. That said, I would be happy to see Lowe do what Ben Howland has/is doing—that would be a HUGE step up from Les and Herb!!

  13. packbackr04 10/05/2006 at 11:59 AM #

    per primacy’s link to the wright article above in this post^^^ doesnt this bode extremely well for the wolfpack…. because as it is now, wright has it narrowed to 3 schools. Gtown, us, and pitt…. Gtown is prob his #1 choice but they are out of schollys right? and we appear to be next on his list PLUS we can offer immediate playing time in the ACC on and up and coming young squad… Pitt appears to be bringing up the rear with an outside shot at him… plus. he was already commited here.. anyone have any thoughts? shooting.. you out there?

  14. packfanstk 10/05/2006 at 12:02 PM #

    Herb’s first team was one of the least talented teams in the history of ACC basketball. He was supposed to sweep UNC???

    You have every right to believe that Herb’s first team should have swept Dean Smith’s team led by Vince Carter and Antawn Jamison. We’ll just have to disagree on that one.

    What I said, Mr. O and RickJ, was that the 97 team should have finished no worse than 7-9 with a sweep of UNC. It had nothing to do with the expectations or relative strength on paper of the teams in question. It had everything to do with the games themselves. I referenced three specific games. Do you remember them? Did y’all SEE THE GAMES? We would have comfortably been 7-9 instead of 4-12 had we not blown large (in one case double-digits large) leads against Virginia and both games against Carolina, not in the whole second half, but in the FINAL MINUTE OR TWO. Yes that team was supposed to sweep Carolina, because both games came down to the players being able to simply play poised basketball and the coach being able to direct, manage, and inspire his team for just another sixty seconds. But both times defeat was snatched from the jaws of victory, and said coach was powerless to stop the meltdowns, as he proved many, many more times over the next decade. Yes, RickJ, when you’re leading by 11 with a minute-ten to go, you’re supposed to win the game. When you’re leading by nine with two minutes to go, you’re supposed to win the game. I will say that Herb did his best coaching job that first season. That’s also a sad commentary on his other nine seasons.

    As for this thread becoming a “Herb bashing”: my first post dealt specifically with the original topic of the entry, that is, the point guards in the ACC for the upcoming season. It was others that took the discussion into NC State specifically and our former and current coaches.

  15. packbackr04 10/05/2006 at 12:14 PM #

    I just saw on packpride, Tracy Smith has shortened his list considerably, and That NC STATE is on the top… not that those scout.com lists mean too much, but it is worth noting… he has a visit to Okla St. on Oct 21st but i dont have premium subscription. can someone who does, read it and let us know what the skinny on SMith is?????? Is he comin here for an official?

  16. redfred2 10/05/2006 at 1:27 PM #

    ^Shoosting

    I wasn’t making any Everett Case comparisons to anyone, I guess you are refering to an earlier post.

    ^packfanstk

    “It was others that took the discussion into NC State specifically and our former and current coaches.”

    What???…Who in the hell???…We need to get the bottom of this, and now!

  17. ShootingGuard 10/05/2006 at 2:47 PM #

    packbackr04,

    I like to think that GTown’s scholarship issue plays into our favor, but you never know. Coaches overrecruit all the time based on essentially knowing who will back and who won’t, and they will have a scholarship available one way or another if they really want Wright. But, this overrecruiting practice IS a different situation with regard to Wright as he has had his plans shockingly changed once—so I hope he doesn’t want to commit based on variables and risk getting shocked again as either of the 2 guys GTown expects to go pro COULD experience injuries this year or simply have a disappointing season that causes them to rethink their draft status. I had hoped that one or more of the MANY guys GTown has offers out to would have committed and taken too many spots for Wright’s comfort, but that hasn’t happened unfortunately. At State, Wright has a fully open scholarship that was his and remains his, and the staff has shown Wright that THEY are committed to him and not just throwing scholarships out to just any big name around hoping to catch lightning like GTown is and have shown their EXTREME loyalty to Wright by NOT recruiting a legacy at point guard that was interested in coming to State and, instead, have made it clear that this is Wright’s spot and Wright’s team to run…

    Another factor in our favor vs GTown is that, obviously, even if they had a scholarship truly open for Wright, they have a VERY full roster of guards. It is not that Wright can’t compete and beat out the guys they have (he can without a doubt), but there is the chemistry issue to think about in coming in and jumping over Doc Rivers’ son and replacing Wallace who is highly thought of on a personal basis. Austin Freeman is going to squeeze guys out of a lot of wing minutes already, so I am not sure how much upheaval is healthy to a team that was already pretty good. At State, Wright can come right in and be the man from day 1 and essentially lead the kind of team he wants and help recruit the kind of players he wants to fill the remaining slots without any potential chemistry problems detracting from the team and what it can accomplish…

  18. class of 74 10/05/2006 at 3:02 PM #

    Every coach no matter the era always has hurdles to overcome. Times were much different when Case was here no doubt but who’s to say Lowe will not leave the same imprint here that Case did? I remember when Dean Smith took over at UNC and my neighbors all thought UNC would be lost without their legend Frank McGuire. Well how did that work out?

    Sid may have two tough seasons to start given the circumstances, just like Dean did, but I’ve got to believe he will be a bigtime winner when the history is written.

  19. redfred2 10/05/2006 at 5:46 PM #

    74- With you all the way.

    ^Shoosting- I am absolutely biased, but if Wright is as well rounded as we’ve been told, he has to see at least part of that.

    This is his ship to run if he wants, or there is someone who can run it while he gets comfortable with the college game. Can that one offensive set be that much of a draw for a kid who can supposedly do it all? No doubt that i’ve never seen it run to perfection but I see that style as a cushion, for possibly less talented players still to be able to compete with better competition. I must be truly missing something.

  20. redfred2 10/06/2006 at 9:10 AM #

    CHRIS WRIGHT if you’re listening, you have an opportunity to be the VERY FIRST in a whole new era WOLFPACK basketball. The first big difference maker to help bring a storied program back to it’s former glory. This is an opportunity to be THE player that a whole world of WOLFPACK faithful will latch onto, support, and appreciate for the rest of your life!

    I can see it written down in the legends of Wolfpack basketball already.

    All you need to do is…

    NC State University

    sign:________________________________date:__________________

    play hard, and then take your rightful place in WOLFPACK and ACC history.

  21. Dan 10/06/2006 at 10:18 AM #

    Chris Wright called a presser. The decision comes Tuesday. I dont like the timing. If I was detached from the situation and was a gambler, my money would be on Jamie Dixon. Especially given the scholarship situation at G’Town and CW’s desire for no more drama. We’ll see though.

  22. redfred2 10/06/2006 at 10:57 AM #

    Dan
    What do see as the problem with the overall timing? It doesn’t seem that Wright is a grandstander or wants to be the center of attention. He choose to commit to Herb way back.

    I agree that Gtown has probably been the frontrunner since the shake up but I see their offer being contingent upon too many other factors and about as cut and dryed as a bowl of jello. I’m laying a lot of weight on Lowe and staff with this, but I think that if he has communicated with properly, we have much more to offer a player of his calibre and should be very much in the picture.

    Unfortunately, his close proximity to Gtown, and the influence afforded JTIII because of it, may win out over all of that in the end.

  23. Dan 10/06/2006 at 11:01 AM #

    Red, everyone involved has a ton to offer this kid. Yeah, I’m a homer for the Wolfpack, but with the schools involved here, CW cant really make a bad choice. You got Lowe, Dixon, and JT3 to choose from. This CW kid is smart as hell. He’s got himself in a no lose situation here by staying away from the knucklehead coaches. I’ll root for CW no matter where he goes.

  24. packfanstk 10/06/2006 at 11:04 AM #

    I hope Chris Wright was watching ESPN last night. If he thinks the crowd was pumped for football, he ain’t seen nuthin’ compared to Hoops Mania at NC State!

  25. ShootingGuard 10/06/2006 at 11:07 AM #

    74,

    I totally agree with you—I just don’t want to see unfair expectations placed on Lowe too early. Remember, a lot of people built Sendek up to be the next running & gunning Pitino—and look where that got us. If Lowe can sign the players like Case did, I have no doubt that he will make his mark at State, and I know he absolutely aspires to make a mark like Case, Sloan, Valvano, or Morgan Wooten. And, boy, Tuesday would go a LONG way toward getting Lowe started early on the road to chasing that aspiration…

    Dan,

    I actually like the timing. Certainly, Wright has seen GTown plenty, but I am hoping that, since he is such a quality kid, that he has decided that he will not waste their time and money by visiting when he knows he wants to go somewhere else…(Of course, he could announce for GTown and then go there for Midnight Madness and recruit JJ Hickson to GTown while he is there—although I hope the scholarship uncertainty and Wright’s former love/commitment for NC State will prevent that…)

    But, I do share a somewhat muted fear of Pitt as you do since their recruiting has been so quiet. They have Wright’s former principal (or asst principal) on staff now and have been pulling in some DC talent based on their new DC connections. With 2 former Pitt players on the staff at State (ironically), hopefully the staff is able to remind Wright about how much MORE exposure he would have at State (than Pitt) playing vs Duke (his childhood team that snubbed him) and UNC several times a year as well as the opportunity to get even better playing vs the great point guards around the league (something he mentioned when he originally committed) AND playing for 2 point guards with NCAA & ACC Titles and another successful pg in Coach Strickland in addition to having another ACC Title winning pg around in Quinton Jackson. You would have to think that a point guard would have to learn a ton from working with a point guard staff like that…

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