Why Does Instant Reply Exist if it Isn’t Used?


Allow me to save you some time and go ahead and pre-empt some of your comments. Some of you will want to chime in with a testoserone-laden statement that, “you shouldn’t put yourself in that position”…or “never let it come down to the last play”. To be fair, I can’t disagree with you when you make that kind of statement about a game with Akron. So, don’t bother repeating it.

And, please don’t misunderstand my comments in this entry. I am not “blaming the refs” or whining about how we lost since I agree that we shouldn’t be in such a situation with Akron. But, this game cannot pass without us having some comments about this topic.

Agreeing that (in a perfect world) a game with Akron shouldn’t come down to the last play is not an acceptable justification for incompetence by the officials at the game. Isn’t a reviewable spot of the ball in a game-deciding situation EXACTLY the kind of circumstance that has instituted an instant-replay system in college football?

Don’t misunderstand my expectations of the ACC officials who are generally considered to be the worst of the major conferences in America. I would truly NEVER expect college football officials to have the balls and the fortitude to actually over-ruled the play. When the obvious goal and focus of college football is to make the game as short as possible then you can’t expect folks to sit around and spend time doing due diligence.

But, since the officials were so quick to call a touchdown for the Zips then you know that they would have never deemed such a picture as “overwhelming video evidence” to repeal the call. (Oh…wait…unless, of course, the game was NC State @ UNC-CH and they would have had no problem over turning the game changing touchdown).

Was he down?

Even AFTER that picture, and a host of others on the internet, retiring ACC coordinator of football officials Tommy Hunt said that he is satisfied that referees made the correct call on Akron’s game-winning touchdown Saturday against N.C. State. (Link)

I think that it bothers me more that the play wasn’t even reviewed than it does that the play wasn’t overturned.

Update @ 10:25am
Nice comments from the Fayetteville Observer:

But it doesn’t matter whether the knee of Akron running back Dennis Kennedy hit the ground before the ball broke the plane of the end zone or not. If there’s a replay system in effect and a game-deciding score on the final play happens, it SHOULD be reviewed. Otherwise, what’s the point of having such a system?

In other words, don’t leave any doubt in anyone’s mind that you got it right. In that respect, the system failed Saturday, because a lot of people left Carter-Finley Stadium with doubt in their minds.

(2) Greensboro News & Record comments:

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72 Responses to Why Does Instant Reply Exist if it Isn’t Used?

  1. for2n8son 09/11/2006 at 11:25 AM #

    At the risk of being accused of being “Polly Anna�, let’s not concede the season before we play it. We have had decent years when we were not heavy with talent. Stone’s biggest problem may be a lack of confidence and “playing not to lose�. We have a lot of new folks and people in new positions. They are going to get better……. if they believe in themselves, they may get a lot better.

  2. redfred2 09/11/2006 at 11:27 AM #

    “SFN: Agree with that. But, the “may or may not be downâ€? part of that statement is EXACTLY why there should have been a review.”

    I don’t know how it appeared in person, but the radio broadcast highlighted the fact that the officials pulled a quick Elvis impersonation, and already and had already left the stadium before the band had even finished playing.

    I agree SFN. I had stated such it in an earlier post on this thread.

  3. drhammondo 09/11/2006 at 11:39 AM #

    I think that that picture, which I’ve seen is pretty conclusive (to me, and many, it appears that his elbow is clearly on the surface of the field without the ball being across the plane)–but the shocking thing about the refs running into the tunnel before being buzzed is that they can’t receive the signal from the booth if they are beneath the stands in their locker room.

    As for for2n8son’s comments, I know Marcus Stone, he does not have a “problem” with lack of confidence. I’m just sure that Chuck instructed Trestman to “not lose” the games against ASU and Akron, which is far different from him saying “go win” these games. But I think the biggest positive to take from this game is that Marcus played as good a fourth quarter as any I’ve seen by an NC State QB, especially considering some of the plays called for him (option on 4th and 1, for example–which probably should have been reviewed, as we had the first on that one).

    Yes, the box score says we lost–and yes, we did win if you look at some replays. But things to consider for the next stretch of games are that Chuck has shown that he can motivate a team to bounce back from adversity, and we have a quarterback that can go out and perform well enough to win a game! This should give us a ton of confidence for the coming weeks!

  4. redfred2 09/11/2006 at 11:44 AM #

    “This should give us a ton of confidence for the coming weeks!”

    A “TON” you say? That is surely pushing that little white envelope beyond belief.

  5. cfpack03 09/11/2006 at 12:55 PM #

    Let’s see how we bounce back next week. It is the coach’s jobs to rebuild that confidence, and motivate after a crushing loss. If we destroy USM, case closed for me.

  6. packpigskinfan23 09/11/2006 at 12:57 PM #

    it should give us SOME… I would not say TON.

    but I do agree with hammondo in that Stone does not suffer from a lack of confidence… nor is he a bad QB AT ALL… He just has a problem of not being able to play well if he is not comming from behind. Seeing how many of the teams on our schedule will most likely get a lead from the start, we should really see how well Marcus can proform.

    -that aside, on a funny note- I have a freind who has a class with Stone and one of the LBers… apparently Stone’s chair broke in the middle of class and put him on his ass. thats a big QB!!

  7. redfred2 09/11/2006 at 1:09 PM #

    Just kidding above.

    It seems the pass worked when playing catch up and when necessary in the fourth quarter. That should be proof that catching up may not be all that necessary if the passing game is mixed in and becomes more evident from the get go.

  8. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 09/11/2006 at 2:05 PM #

    Take a minute to call. Emails are useless. Even if the elbow is not on the ground in that picture it is closer to the ground than the ball is to the end zone making it impossible for the ball to cross before the elbow touched. Just seems like we never get the calls.

  9. BoKnowsNCS71 09/11/2006 at 2:10 PM #


    I agree that we rarely get the calls. Most people give the home team 1 TD for playing at home. However, based on games I’ve seen her for the last few years, we get no calls when the play is a close one. It’s almost as though the Refs get tired of the fans chanting “B-S” after disputed calls and look for ways to dun us. Probably my paranoia but the ball definitely isn’t bouncing our way lately.

  10. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 09/11/2006 at 2:29 PM #

    It’s been going on for the 30 years I can remember watching State. I don’t say this because I’m a State fan. I’m a Cowboys fan too and I never say Dallas doesn’t get calls. You either are respected by the officials or you aren’t. State clearly is not.

  11. Chopsuey 09/11/2006 at 3:05 PM #

    Lee G Fowler
    Athletics-Director and Staff
    Director of Athletics
    Phone: 919-515-2109
    Fax: 919-515-3624
    [email protected]

  12. WilmingtonWolf05 09/11/2006 at 4:02 PM #

    wonder if Lee has thought about installing “in-pylon” cameras yet? That would make the “we don’t have that angle” excuse baseless when playing at Carter-Finley. Heck, if they’re radio-transmitted, NC State could take them on the road…especially to Chapel Hill

  13. johnny 09/11/2006 at 4:37 PM #

    “I think the replay official reviewed the play, realized there wasn’t “indisputable video evidenceâ€? and didn’t buzz the officials.”

    First I think the replay offical buzz when the review starts and not after he has reached a decision. I can picture him grabbing his stuff and heading out the booth to get to a family quting.

    Second, the field officials never knew the play was being reviewed or they would have held the teams on the field.

    Third I was watching it on espn bonus coverage and looked like he got in.
    But an offical was right on the goal line with a good view and should have
    at least noticed that the TD was questionable. In fact don’t think the offical on the gaol line called the TD.

    Fourth, the play was not reviewed or an announcement would have been made that the play is under review.

    Ater seening the frames imho looks like he was down. I wonder if CTC realized it? Doubt it from his angle unless he was watching the replay.

  14. redfred2 09/11/2006 at 4:40 PM #

    “wonder if Lee has thought”

    Your question would have been a little more realistic if you would have stopped right there.

  15. choppack1 09/11/2006 at 4:55 PM #

    Frankly – I’d rather see a shot showing he was in – it would make this a lot easier to swallow.

  16. johnny 09/11/2006 at 4:59 PM #

    ^good point choppack

  17. Cardiff Giant 09/11/2006 at 5:06 PM #

    I was angry and in an alchoholic haze on Saturday, so what the hell.

  18. Wolfpack4ever 09/11/2006 at 6:16 PM #

    Regarding Lee Fowler, Unfortunately we have an AD who is of the old school that you don’t criticize your employees publicly. He also is of the antiquated way of being of working inside the system. While public braying will never be Fowlers style, don’t assume because he isn’t “big-talking” in the media that he isn’t doing anything.

    Puclicly embarrassing or taking Swofford or Hunt to taks would soothe the StateFanNation, but it would do nothing positive for NCSU. So go ahead and take your shots at Fowler and make your chicken-shit accusations that demonstrate how little you know of how administrators work. Mean time consider this: not AD worth having would perform his job in the manner many here would like to see our AD do.

    After the sunglasses and clown shoes incident last year, the Boos & Disturber reported Fowler’s black Crysler having been seen parked outside the Murphy Football Center. When asked what he had to say to Coach Amato, Fowler said it was a routine visit… yada yada yada. Do you think for a minute that it was a routine visit? I don’t and neither did the reporter but that’s all he had to report.

    Let’s all send Lee Fowler an e-mail insulting him, criticising the job we think he’s doing, and in general blasting the shit out of him for being restained in his public criticism of Swofford and Hunt.

    For those of us who think Amato’s W/L record makes no difference to Fowler, how thoughtless is that. While some of us secretly and some not so secretly wish Chuck would fail miserably this year, Fowler is FOR every coach under contract at NCSU. It is the only way for an AD to be. It is the AD’s job to do whatever he can to insure a coach’s success. Anything less could and should warrant immediate dismissal.

    IMNSHO Chuck is doing the right thing by moving on, at least that’s what he says he’s doing. Nothing, absolutely nothing will change the outcome of this game.

    I also find it interesting that the only really successful coach/talking head on ESPN wasn’t nearly as critical of Amato as some of the assholes who have never tried to build a program up from severe mediocrity.

  19. Wolfpack4ever 09/11/2006 at 6:23 PM #

    The picture on the jumbotron of the penultimate play seemed to show that the QB’s body was vertical when his knee hit the ground and he fell forward after he was down. It was my understanding that replay was to be used to insure correct ball placement in critical situations. If that is a critical situation, what is? Anybody know what the review rule is?

  20. SaccoV 09/11/2006 at 6:38 PM #

    I’m just logging on and responding again from Saturday. Another key aspect to a lack of review on the play is the complete absence of referees at the conclusion on the game. ESPNews picked up the coverage from ESPNU, and I couldn’t see ONE official after that touchdown. In fact, I didn’t see a referee signal a touchdown. Did anyone else? Finally, the referees in college football are among the worst of any sport, so I’m not completely surprised by their missing key calls in late game situations. System needs an overhaul BADLY, and this is the first year of its existence. Sad isn’t it?

  21. redfred2 09/11/2006 at 7:57 PM #

    Come on now Wolfpack4ever, throwing darts at Lee Fowler is like making fun of a crabby old teacher english teacher in school. It may not be the brightest thing to do, but it’s fun.

  22. TomA 09/11/2006 at 8:18 PM #

    What kills me is that the ACC is one of the best football power conferences in the nation and yet I swear to Heaven above the officials must be some of the worse in the land. I’m not just talking about this past game but across the board for all games. Remember the new rule that ACC refs introduced at Ohio State? The one bounce interception rule? This conference needs to upgrade its officials badly or more disasters like Saturday’s are sure to follow!

  23. redfred2 09/11/2006 at 8:57 PM #


    “Fowler is FOR every coach under contract at NCSU. It is the only way for an AD to be. It is the AD’s job to do whatever he can to insure a coach’s success. Anything less could and should warrant immediate dismissal.”

    While agree with a lot of the things you say, I can’t quite hold with you on that on one. Is it better to just tell a coach you’re behind him 110% and let him go on his merry way, or does there come a time when the AD, being the man in charge, possibly needs to intervene with some necessary advice for the people he is supposedly in charge of? That advise could come in advance or at the onset of possible trouble brewing. It would also of course be nothing personal, just something in the best interest of the university and all of it’s supports first and foremost. That would instead of putting the interest of the employee and tight knit little group first, and in disregard of the consequences for the university and all of it’s supporters.

    Just a simple question.

  24. Wolfpack4ever 09/11/2006 at 9:37 PM #

    redfred2 Says: Just a simple question.

    I think if you had read a little further instead of responding to your knee-jerk reaction to something said favorably about LF…

    “After the sunglasses and clown shoes incident last year, the Boos & Disturber reported Fowler’s black Crysler having been seen parked outside the Murphy Football Center. When asked what he had to say to Coach Amato, Fowler said it was a routine visit… yada yada yada. Do you think for a minute that it was a routine visit? I don’t and neither did the reporter but that’s all he had to report.”

    My contention in all my post regarding Lee Fowler is that he is operating in the manner expected of an administrator by the people who hold him to account.

    I wonder if the countless critics of LF realize that with the institutional controls established after Valvano’s ADship, he CANNOT fire a coach without the Chancellors approval. Sad but true. Is it known and disregarded in our joyous engagement in mudslinger and character assasination of LF.

    But LF is an easy target, right? He is like the big kid in school that everybody picks at because he won’t hit back. I don’t mind any legitimate criticism of LF but the bullshit zingers that have no legitimate grounds, get to me at times.

    I know I am pissing off a large part of this list with my defending the defenceless LF. It’s my karma. 😉

  25. colapack 09/11/2006 at 9:56 PM #

    When will one of these calls go our way? Gopack says it was the same ref as the TA touchdown that was overruled at Chapel Hill. You should post that refs address on here so we can send him our thoughts.

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