ClusterF*^$% in Process

If you haven’t seen this article from the News & Observer then you need give it a read. The door is opening…it may not be long until Duke shoots themselves in the head with a full-scale campus civil war.

In the ongoing debate about athletics at Duke University, a new idea has emerged: Why not assign professors to sports teams to improve communication and understanding? The proposal to pair faculty associates to sports teams is drawing cheers and sneers on a campus divided on the role of sports.

The program is the brainchild of Paul Haagen, head of Duke’s Academic Council and a law professor who teaches sports law. About 80 faculty members have expressed interest, he said. “Duke invests a lot in athletics,” Haagen said Wednesday. “It’s probably a good idea if you know about athletics.”

A professor would be assigned to a sport but would not be expected to monitor or report on a team. Faculty members could attend practices, travel with the team occasionally and get to know athletes and coaches.

The proposal, scheduled for discussion today, has elicited scorn from professors who think Duke should de-emphasize sports in the aftermath of the men’s lacrosse scandal.

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46 Responses to ClusterF*^$% in Process

  1. class of 74 09/21/2006 at 12:54 PM #

    You could have fooled me I thought Duke de-emphasized football in the 1960’s.

  2. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 09/21/2006 at 12:55 PM #

    de-empahsize sports because a whore made false accusations? That makes no sense what so ever.

  3. choppack1 09/21/2006 at 1:08 PM #

    Yes – I encourage them to de-emphasize basketball and football – look what it did for us!

  4. StateFoxer 09/21/2006 at 1:17 PM #

    A whore making false accusations? Come on guys, we’re more intelligent then that. Even if the allegations are false, it still brought to light an excessive and out of hand lacrosse team and a lack of supervision on the part of the University. I personally hope that Duke does adopt an Ivy league mindset and stops giving out athletic scholarships all together. It would certainly make our return to glory a lot easier.

  5. Dan 09/21/2006 at 1:24 PM #

    Duke might just be a “basketball player getting arrested” away from going Div II. That’s a lot of pressure on K. I cant remember a serious allegation against any of this players. And, no, a DUI isnt a serious allegation. I mean either LOTS of drugs or violence. It would seem its just a matter of time no matter how much you try to only recruit top notch character. One is going to eventually let you down. If it happened this year, it might spell doom.

  6. old13 09/21/2006 at 1:33 PM #

    Is there really a difference between Duke athletes and the general university crosssection of students? Maybe Duke should de-emphasize academics if a premed or astrophysics major should be arrested for anything. Sounds like a void of leadership to me!

  7. redfred2 09/21/2006 at 1:38 PM #

    This is big stuff!

    Yeah, let’s send a professor along. Then after a while, we can stop declaring winners and losers. It’s just not fair to all of the kids involvedyou know.

    Duke is onto something here though, it could work everywhere. Let’s pay, and send in some PETA reps to go over and spend time with the troops.

    Whatever they decide, when the folks in Chapel Hill get wind they will do everything in their power to one up ’em. Professors will be passing out personal copies of the Quran once AGAIN, and the players will be hugging every tree along their way to the stadium.

    This is a truly brilliant idea.

    The lacrosse scandal was a just bunch of drunken and ignorant kids who need to be punished. But this? Come on Duke.

  8. Wolfpack4ever 09/21/2006 at 1:40 PM #

    Have those professors seen the Duke students at a basketball game?

    Speaking of de-emphasing sports, did anyone hear about Bear Bryant’s widow moving to Chapel Hill? Said she wanted to get as far away from major college football as possible.

  9. BladenWolf 09/21/2006 at 1:42 PM #

    Until a (starting) basketball player or basketball coaching staff get’s arrested for trying to assasinate the President, all the academic proposals in the world won’t change the machine in Durham.

    The Lacrosse team may have indeed been “out-of-hand” one summer night, but under the current circumstances, the allegations seem dubious at best.

    The more astute question is; when ISN’T a group of inebriated, over-privileged, snot-nosed 19 year old’s out-of-hand?

  10. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 09/21/2006 at 1:51 PM #


    Personally I say let college kids be college kids many of them like to drink and have sex. No problem with that in my book.

  11. Dan 09/21/2006 at 1:54 PM #

    Well, it went beyond Lacrosse. I think the bigger problem other than the suspected rape was the “skin them alive” email. The AD out drinking and boating. The starting QB caught cheating, and then poor JJ caught driving home after a couple drinks.

    Duke, in all fairness, usually stays out of trouble like this. And that makes the recent outbreak even worse. They have gotten a little self righteous and pompous on the matter. Now they are getting slapped in the face with reality. Its the football equivalent to Nebraska firing Tom Osbourne after a 9 win season.

  12. BoKnowsNCS71 09/21/2006 at 2:08 PM #

    Coach Logan did this a long time back at ECU. Having the professors cme to prqacticve, be on the sidelines at games, etc. gave them some insight into the players, time pressures, improved communication, etc.

    Duke obviously has a rift with some of their educators who don’t like sports at all. Getting those with an open mind together with the coaches is a smart idea — for both the profs, coaches and players. .

  13. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 09/21/2006 at 2:11 PM #

    You want to start reading college kids emails? ‘Skin them alive’ would be pretty tame, of couse other people’s emails is none of your business or that idiot DA in Durham. If you want some good reading may I recommend you read some post over at Thousand of people drink and boat everyday but because you work at Duke it is somehow your business. People cheat in many different ways everyday and JJ wasn’t a Duke student at the time of his arrest.

    People should concern themselves with their shortcoming rather than ridicule others. I think women in the south call people that concern themselves with other peoples business busy-bodies.

    Seems to me the penalty for bringing up false allegations should be the same as what they could get if it was true. Destruction of their lives and 20 years in prision- The whore should get the same.

  14. BladenWolf 09/21/2006 at 2:11 PM #

    You mean students at Duke actually drink alcohol and try to get out of embarrassing situations? Why… the nerve of some Academic Institutions.

  15. BladenWolf 09/21/2006 at 2:14 PM #

    I’m with tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc –

    A little less righteous indignation please.

  16. class of 74 09/21/2006 at 2:19 PM #

    Drinking, chasing women, drugs and loud parties: who would have ever thought such things went on in college. The Duke admin needs to get real. Years ago it was just swept under the rug that’s the only difference.

  17. redfred2 09/21/2006 at 2:19 PM #

    “many of them like to drink and have sex.”

    Understatement of the year.

  18. tooyoungtoremember 09/21/2006 at 2:22 PM #

    The fact is that student athletes are held to a higher standard than their non-scholarship counterparts, right or wrong. Accept it.

  19. redfred2 09/21/2006 at 2:29 PM #

    Totally caving in from outside pressures.

    Sound familiar?

    See ya Blue Devils, wouldn’t wanna be ya!

    Already have, as a matter of fact.

    Once is enough for any university.

  20. StateFoxer 09/21/2006 at 2:30 PM #

    Regardless of whether thousands of people drink and boat, it’s still illegal and if you work in a job that draws public attention you can’t be suprised by the consequences of doing it. I’m not saying that the media hasn’t blown things at Duke out of proportion or that the DA hasn’t done a horrible job handling the investigation. But you do have to acknowledge that there seemed to be a problem brewing at Duke. Sending professors to practice might be a stupid idea, but at least they’re trying to work towards a solution (even if it is a bad one)

  21. BoKnowsNCS71 09/21/2006 at 2:32 PM #

    In the ongoing debate about students at Duke University, a new idea has emerged: Why not assign professors to student groups to improve communication and understanding? The proposal to pair faculty associates to fraternities is drawing cheers and sneers on a campus divided on the role of partying.

    About 80 faculty members have expressed interest, he said. “Duke invests a lot in parties,� said a spokesman. “It’s probably a good idea if you know about them.�

    A professor would be assigned to a fraternity or Quad group but would not be expected to monitor or report on them. Faculty members could attend parties, keggers, travel with the co-eds occasionally and get to know them better.

    Women’s Studies Professor Les Bien said “I think this would let me get closer to the problems and lick it.”

  22. redfred2 09/21/2006 at 2:47 PM #

    Wait a minute.

    Does this mean the prof’s have to take responsibility and face the media when anything that goes wrong in the further?

    Can the fans/media now railroad the prof’s out of town too?

    This thing may have a silver lining afterall.

  23. Woof Wolf 09/21/2006 at 2:51 PM #

    “I think this would let me get closer to the problems and lick it.�

    ……no, I’m not going to go there.

  24. BobLee 09/21/2006 at 3:06 PM #

    Ditto the comment above about “when the Franklin Street crowd hear about this, they’ll want in to …”. History shows a great competitive rivalry between the respective faculty squirrels, as much so as the sports teams.

    Ol’ Roy will need “The Legend In The Basement” to run interference for him when the pointyheads come snooping around.


  25. burnbarn 09/21/2006 at 3:08 PM #

    Don’t forget about the baseball team and steroids. No one seems to remember that far back.

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