Bonner: Blue Chip Recruiting

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“When you are a school like NC State, maybe you can’t recruit all the blue chip guys in the United States. Maybe those guys are going to places like Duke or North Carolina or Connecticut or UCLA or Kentucky. And so the foreign soil is a good place to go to get some guys to fill out your line-up.”

Dan Bonner
February 18, 2006

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25 Responses to Bonner: Blue Chip Recruiting

  1. joe 06/01/2006 at 8:05 AM #

    The NBA certainly gets a lot of talent from Europe these days. I think it’s because those guys can do more than dunk and shoot 3 pointers.

  2. Dan 06/01/2006 at 9:14 AM #

    Truth be told, no one can recruit ALL the blue chippers. Roy and K (Roy especially of late) seem to be able to recruit the ones they want though.

    I do not necessarily agree with Bonner regarding NC State though. Two years ago something very similiar would have been said about Ohio State, but they have a sensational incoming class for this season. I know Bonner would reply with the geographic competition, but that is overrated. Yeah, the competition for in state recruits may be affected by that the most, but every school on the Atlantic coast has to compete with those schools. When I think of the big PG misses that really cost Herb Sendek, I think of Shakur to Zona, Gilchrist to Maryland, and Edgar Sosa (this year) to Louisville. None of those guys were lost because of UNC and Duke.

    And, due to the (its hard to say what follows) unbelievable job Roy Williams is doing, Chapel Hill only has one scholarship this year, so they wont be that much of a factor for this year in which the Pack has a ton of scholarships.

  3. vtpackfan 06/01/2006 at 9:15 AM #

    Towe had some experience coaching internationally, but this conversation may have come a bit late. Sendek was the guy who I thought would go Euro. With Lowe and Stricklands roots in Wootens’ De Matha system, I hope the emphasis initially is getting a recognizable style of play with the best players he have and can get on board right now. Only after Lowe has established his vision as a college coach can we speculate on the best way to upgrade the talent IMO. Towe helped get Lowe and Whittenburg to Raleigh, as well as recruit a top five scorer in the nation at UNO. I’m encouraged by the prospect of two former head coaches recruiting for NC State. That in itself should be recognized as an asset to sports writers, fans , and critics alike. In short, introducing “globetrotting” is premature.

  4. redfred2 06/01/2006 at 9:39 AM #

    “When you are a school like NC State…”

    The fact that statements like that are in the mainstream and so easily accepted these days, that adds the exclamation point to what was the disaster of the past fifteen. People would have strung Dan Bonner up for uttering such foolishness before then. Now it’s just accepted. It is the reality of the new NC State University, the totally watered down and second rate version.

  5. class of 74 06/01/2006 at 9:59 AM #

    Nobody has built a longterm success on foreign recruits. We need to return to our recruiting roots, this state and the east coast up through NYC. History has a way of repeating itself and our new staff should realize this.

  6. Mr O 06/01/2006 at 10:38 AM #

    I don’t know how much Gilchrist or Shakur would have helped. Gilchrist caused all kinds of problems at Maryland and left after two years.

    Has Shakur withdrew from the NBA draft yet?

  7. BoKnowsNCS71 06/01/2006 at 11:50 AM #

    Shakur is not listed in the recent mock draft for first rounders.

  8. redfred2 06/01/2006 at 12:42 PM #

    I don’t necessarily agree with Bonner, but the major influx of foreign players has become more pronounced in recent years. There is really no long history of any program out there to base any opinion on.

    I was actually getting excited, a few years back, when thought I saw signs that Sendek was recruiting to develop a european style, like the one that beat up on the good ol’ USA in the Olympics. The style that allows the less athletic, but highly skilled players, become dominant factors in the NBA. There was a hint of it, but like everything else, he again reverted back the same ol’, same ol’, over and over again, and it never developed into anything.

  9. vtpackfan 06/01/2006 at 12:58 PM #

    Example from the past would be when P.J. was at the Hall. They made a great run the year Dehere was a senior, and as I remember he was one of the only contributers on that team that was traditional recruit (St. Anthony’s, N.J.) Nothing close to that has happened since. What we see more often now in the cases look like Gonzaga. They seem to find the best local talent (Morrisson, Mallon) and supplement the lack of depth with international recruits. Batista, C/F really turned out nice for them, and he was a guy that came to mind when SFN mentioned the JC recruit from Puerto Rico.

  10. redfred2 06/01/2006 at 1:07 PM #

    SFN

    I really wish you hadn’t shut down the Davis thread. I was just getting to post another of my over extended ramblings with something that would have straightened out “chickenbox” there.

  11. vtpackfan 06/01/2006 at 1:38 PM #

    I like the way he finally coughed up “our program” instead of coming right out stating he was a SH fan. Anyway, with as many open spots on our roster, doesn’t it seem more than likely that State will attract/contact transfer’s looking for a fresh start. It’s something you can’t predict with any certainty since we all can find out who the blue chips are but no one knows who will be looking to transfer. It’s not as interesting to discuss when you can’t name a player, or posistion that could be filled, i.e. “Chris Wright is the p.g. we need”. It’s just hard for me to imagine that the conference we’re in, the facilities, a new coaching staff with direct NBA links won’t attract more then a few tranfer’s when it looks as if we have a bare cupboard. Please remind me, if anyone else cares about these thoughts, about the rules qualifying a transfer to NC State compared to our strict ones we must follow to accept a high school student.

  12. StateFans 06/01/2006 at 1:52 PM #

    RedFred – we’re not interested in hosting “pissing matches” on this blog (especially involving “bomb throwers” from other universities), as emotionally gratifying as that can sometimes be. That’s best left to message boards.

    Let’s not take this thread in that direction, or it will be shut down as well.

  13. Dan 06/01/2006 at 2:02 PM #

    I just might be the resident expert on college transfers. (4 colleges in 4 years…West Florida, Flagler College, App State, NC State)

    Now, Im not sure of the transfer rules as they apply to athletics for this state as opposed to FL. But, in general, once you have completed 12 to 24 (depending on the state) hours of college coursework, your high school record and test scores are no longer used to determine eligibility and your status relies solely on your college grades.

    For instance, if transfer rules are the same here as in FL, you could barely pass high school and wind up at Easy U to play ball for one year. If during that year, you pass 24 hours and have kept above eligibility requirements, you can transfer anywhere.

    Its one reason why the JUCO route works well for kids who just dont do well on the standardized tests. If they complete one year of coursework at the JUCO level with a C average, they dont need to ever take the test.

    Basketball was no longer in the picture when I transferred to NCSU, and it was in ’95, so I’m not sure if they are any extra requirements made of athletes. But when I transferred in as a soph, the only thing they wanted to see was college transcripts with proof of a high school diploma.

  14. Dan 06/01/2006 at 2:07 PM #

    If you have less than 24 hours, which was the case with Trevor Furgeson, then your college coursework, high school records, AND college entrance exams must be above the minimum requirements. But once you get over that magic number (usually 24 hours), nothing before your first day of college matters.

  15. Dan 06/01/2006 at 2:20 PM #

    Oops, It appears in NC, its 48 hours….yikes

    Transfer Eligibility

    1. A non- or partial qualifier who transfers from a four-year college (other than an ACC institution) must have satisfactorily completed 48 semester hours with a cum. GPA of 2.0 on transferable degree credit acceptable toward any baccalaureate degree program at the certifying institution, and have attended the previous institution as a full-time student for at least 3 semesters, in order to be eligible for competition, practice, and athletically related financial aid.

    2. A non- or partial qualifier who transfers to a conference institution from a two-year college must meet these same regulations (48 hours, 2.0 GPA, 3 semester enrollment), and must also graduate from the two-year college with an AA degree.

  16. newt 06/01/2006 at 4:45 PM #

    The Duke/UNC geography argument makes no sense. Playing them is a plus for recruiting. After all, you can become a mid-first-round NBA draft pick based on one good game against Duke.

  17. BladenWolf 06/01/2006 at 8:15 PM #

    I can not blame Bonner for making the comment. Maybe he would have been flogged a decade ago. Not now. It is a sad reality, but reality none the less. It is obvious (to some) that only certain players would play in Sendek’s Princeston style offense. Players with the skills we are looking for now were simply not interested in having their abilities thwarted by a system that put an emphasis on “the extra pass”.
    With that said, it is only logical to conclude that the Pack would need an immediate infusion of talent, perhaps from Europe (or JUCO), to fill in the gap until we get the Chris Wright -type recruits along the way.

  18. bTHEredterror 06/01/2006 at 8:26 PM #

    There is no offense that doesn’t emphasize the “extra pass”. It’s a basketball maxim not a Princeton offense maxim.

    As for Bonner’s comments, there are always a few elite teams whose coaches are entrenched and proven, and they get the pick of the litter. The misnomer is that this doesn’t change. We’ve all witnessed the change that can occur to the negative, hopefully Sid & co. can reverse the trend.

  19. bTHEredterror 06/01/2006 at 8:42 PM #

    Sorry SFN, I had to comment on the statements chickenbox posted on the Davis situation (very loosely related to Bonner’s comments).

    How foolish is it to say that a region where 100 million or so people reside would be off limits to us due to the (illegal) actions Seton Hall took to lure a legally bound recruit (he signed a contract) and some points of view expressed on this website. Is there some secret vote that all northeasterners took and we were blacklisted? The only sour grapes here are the rotting variety you imposed on us as fans of our school. It’s not NC State’s or its fans fault that quality talent is enticed by the education and environment the university provides. I expect we’ll all know within 36 months if Sid can coach or not. Care to place a wager?

    PS-good luck with the infractions commitee

  20. BladenWolf 06/01/2006 at 8:55 PM #

    ^
    Obviously a FlameThrower

    Redterror… if you do not know the difference bewteen the Princeston style offense and a run-the-floor offense, and the number of passes in each, then that is unfortunate. To say all offenses emphasize the extra pass is just plain ignorance

    Moreover, if you can also not understand the very different athelete each offense attracts, then you need not pass judgement on posts you have no clue about.

  21. BladenWolf 06/01/2006 at 9:02 PM #

    SFN-
    I know this is off topic, and you can delete if you feel appropriate, but I’ve been away from the office for a few days and caught my home paper yesterday (actually this past weekend’s version) with a fairly decent article on Sideny Lowe and the Pack and our current situation.
    Just wanted to put this along for the record.
    Sorry if you have seen this before. The link is below:

    http://www.fayettevillenc.com/article?id=234106

  22. GoldenChain 06/04/2006 at 6:24 PM #

    I don’t think this has been brought up yet but V was a big juco recruiter (Webb, McMillan, etc) and I have been wondering for a few weeks if Lowe too will need to go that route at least in the short term.

  23. redfred2 06/05/2006 at 1:05 PM #

    “When I think of the big PG misses that really cost Herb Sendek…”

    I hate to keep beating on a dead horse, but I really don’t see where having a great point guard, in the positionless and interchangeable parts scheme of Herb Sendek, would have had any more impact than having a great, big man inside. One was absolutely there, and never used to any benefit. Are you saying that Herb would have possibly changed the whole scheme except for the fact that there was never a super point guard?

  24. Dan 06/07/2006 at 11:32 AM #

    Red, if you want to run a half court set, any half court set, you need a quality PG and a post player. They are indespensible.

    I know Sendek would say things like that, but he didnt believe it. If he did, he wouldnt have been chasing PG’s every single recruiting season. If he did, he wouldnt have modeled his system after NBA teams that had incredible PG’s. That offense in particular demands a PG.

  25. redfred2 06/07/2006 at 1:28 PM #

    Dan, I don’t watch the professional game like I used to, but I do see where the restrictions on defensive sets at that level open up the court for the players automatically. I don’t see that on the college level, and have I tried to imagine how a super point guard would made us that much better. I think anyone who is a constant threat around the basket, whether it’s 6’9″ posted, up or 6’4″ penetrating, was the key. I think we had great potential to do both, with Simmons, Bennerman, and Brackman.

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