ACC Raking in NCAA Titles

On a weekend when UNC-CH, Clemson and Georgia Tech all advanced to the College World Series (with Miami still surviving), the Atlantic Coast Conference won another National Championship when Florida State won its first ever NCAA men’s track and field national championship in Sacramento, California. (Link)

The ACC garnered seven individual event titles on Saturday, running its four-day championship total to nine, setting the conference record for combined individual titles on both the men’s and women’s side at a championship. The win by the Seminoles marks the first NCAA Track & Field national championship by an ACC school. The Miami Hurricanes had the best finish on the women’s side tallying 30 points to finish in a tie for seventh.

NC State did not win any events among the four athletes the Wolfpack sent. Mitchell Pope finished 10th in the shot putt.

Additionally, last week the Virginia Cavaliers rolled over UMass to claim the men’s lacrosse national title before an NCAA championship record crowd of 47,062 at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia.(Link)

The championship is Virginia’s fourth NCAA championship and the sixth national title in program history. The Cavaliers become the first team in NCAA history to finish with a 17-0 record and the 12th team in NCAA history to win the national championship with an undefeated record.

Since the turn of the millenium, NC State/Lee Fowler’s Athletics Department is the only Atlantic Coast Conference school not to have participated in at least one National Championship game.

If Lee Fowler’s past comments are any true indication of his beliefs, State’s Baseball Coach Elliot Avent may be in for some stormy weather in the future with the AD. Fowler, a consumate excuse-monger, was quoted in February of 2004 as saying the following:

Question: What are your goals as an athletics director for the upcoming year, in terms of improving athletic programs and in improving facilities? How will those goals be measured? – Herb, Archdale, NC Class of 1987

Fowler: My goals are the same as when I came to NC State three years ago: we want to be top-25 program in all sports. I maintain that goal, and I feel it is very reachable. I think we are moving in that direction in most sports…

…We have to ask our coaches to take their programs toward those levels. But we also have to provide the facilities for them to at that level if we are going to demand those results. And I think that ‘t what we are doing.

By the end of ’05, we will have most of our programs in the types of facilities that coaches can be held accountable to. I don’t think that was the case when I first got here. I think we had teams competing against people with a lot more assets than we had.

NC State’s Doak Field was renovated over two seasons ago. So, now that Avent and other coaches have the kind of facilities that Fowler cited as the reason why NC State couldn’t have a better athletics program, it will be interesting to see how Fowler exercises his “decision making” on the coaches.

In baseball, the ACC may place 4 schools in this year’s College World Series. Additionally Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Miami have EACH qualified for MULTIPLE CWS in the last decade while Avent’s Wolfpack haven’t qualified for a single CWS or won an ACC Title. This year, UNC-CH has earned its second CWS berth of the last 17 years.

Of course, in Fowler-land, State shouldn’t have expected to compete for a CWS because of poor facilities. But, the facilities have been completed for two years now and our ACC bretheren continue to rake in the success. How long will Fowler choose to sit back and wait to see what happens?

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12 Responses to ACC Raking in NCAA Titles

  1. Test 06/12/2006 at 2:28 PM #

    “Additionally Florida State, UNC-CH, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Miami have EACH qualified for MULTIPLE CWS in the last decade”

    Actually, this is UNC’s first CWS since 1989. Clemson, GT, and Miami usually make the CWS 4-5 times a decade.

    Personally, I think Wolfpack baseball IS a Top 25 program. RPI, NC State was around 14-16. Baseball polls, we got as high at #10, finished the season #22-28 in all the major polls. NCAAT, we were in the Regional Final, meaning, at worst, we finished in the Top 32. Avent hasnt taken the next step: an ACC Title and/or CWS appearance.

    SFN: I don’t think anyone at SFN would argue with you that a case can be made that State was one of the 25 best teams this season. But, does that make NC State one of the top 25 “programs” in the country?

    Have we generated one of the best 25 performances of the last ten years?

    SFN doesn’t claim to know as much about baseball as other sports, but do you truly think that NC State has turned in one of the 25 best performances of the last decade?

    We know that State is easily 5th in the ACC in the last decade behind FSU, GT, Clemson, Miami, and probably 6th behind UNC-CH now that they have a CWS appearance. Wake and UVa haven’t necessarily been slouches.

    Off the top of my head, names like Texas, Oklahoma, Ok State, Nebraska, Baylor, Tulane, Rice, Notre Dame, Cal St Fullerton, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, USC, UCLA, LSU, So Carolina, Alabama, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Miss State, and a few others immediately pop to mind as having a lot of success in recent years. We are at almost 30 programs right there that I know have had better decades than NC State. It’s tough to be a Top 25 program when our perfomance doesn’t land us in the Top 30.

  2. StateFans 06/12/2006 at 2:32 PM #

    Thanks for the correction. Will fix.

  3. Dan 06/12/2006 at 3:42 PM #

    Yeah, SFN, over the last few years, NC State has become a top 25 program in baseball.

    But on the more important point the disaster that is Lee Fowler:

    You gotta wonder. Im sure every AD’s goal is to be Top 25 in every sport, but I wonder if all Jed does is hope and set goals, and not do any action to actually achieve said goals.

    Also, the type of team that makes the Top 25 is not the kind of team that sets the Top 25 as a goal. Teams that make the Top 25 year in and year out have goals of winning championships, not being ranked. Our AD puts way too much importance on rankings in media publications. The only rankings that matter is the standings. Rankings lie far more often than end of year standings. The goal should not be “to get ranked” but to win.

  4. Trout 06/12/2006 at 3:55 PM #

    Over the past decade, is NC State a Top 25 baseball program? Probably not. We dont have the postseason success that is required to be considered a Top 25 program over the past 10 years. RPI-wise. we are there. Here are the baseball RPI finishes for NC State over the past 10 years, since Avent became coach:

    97 – 15
    98 – 22
    99 – 20
    00 – 40
    01 – 43
    02 – 40
    03 – 11
    04 – 23
    05 – 19
    06 – 15

    That’s an average of 24.8 over the 10 year period. 7 NCAA appearances over those 10 years.

  5. Wulfpack 06/12/2006 at 4:08 PM #

    Trout, agree. The RPI is a useful tool to gauge a program’s standing, but it shouldn’t be relied on as ‘fact’ because there are so many factors that manipulate the RPI.

    NCSU’s average RPI in baseball over the past 4 years is 17…clearly not bad, but little success in postseason play to show for.

    Perhaps NCSU’s new athletic motto should be “Good Enough”

  6. Dan 06/12/2006 at 5:01 PM #

    The baseball team has been consistently ranked in the top 25 over the last four years. You guys can argue it seven way until Sunday, but that wont change the fact. Its a good baseball team. Is it great? No. Not yet. But its damn good. Sometimes the martyr complex gets a little old.

  7. Astral Rain 06/12/2006 at 5:20 PM #

    A team in the 20-25 range should make the playoffs consistently, but not always advance. Usually State makes it, gets to the final subregional game, and chokes, That’s a team in the 20-25 range to me.

    Could be a little better, but it’s definitely better then our b-ball program in the 30-40 range, and our football program, which is in the 40-50 range.

  8. StateFans 06/12/2006 at 5:39 PM #

    The last 4 years look nice in the RPI. Would be nice to have just found a way to have a signature season.

  9. old13 06/12/2006 at 7:32 PM #

    Herb is the perfect example of Foulup setting goals (too low) and not acting on them. LF NEEDS TO BE GONE FROM NCSU NOW!

  10. Trout 06/13/2006 at 8:54 AM #

    FYI: Miami is making their 22nd CWS appearance, but their first as a member of the ACC. This will be Clemson’s 11th CWS appearance, UNC’s 5th and GT’s 3rd.

    The ACC tied a record held by the SEC by sending 4 teams to the CWS. The SEC has done that once as well.

    Wake Forest is still the only ACC school to have won the CWS. Miami has several CWS titles, but none while a member of the ACC.

    The ACC is the best baseball conference this year, and the conference needs a CWS champion.

  11. Cardiff Giant 06/13/2006 at 9:17 AM #

    The ACC is raking in titles. We, of course, are not among them. The good works of Lee Fowler continue.

  12. highstick 06/13/2006 at 6:27 PM #

    Hey, you missed that our GIRLS won the ACC softball title!!

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