850 The Buzz: Winners and Losers of the Search

850 The Buzz’s Blog keeps getting better and better. They turned around this entry about the winners and losers of the coaching search very quickly.

Like other traditional media outlets during the search, they even threw some praise our way:

State Fans Nation blew up during the coaching search. The guys who run that site decided to breakaway from the messageboard culture that creates tons of negativity and it was refreshing to see. State Fans Nation comes across as well connected and well informed. They were also armed with opinions and facts to make strong arguments. I don’t agree with everything they write, but I will never knock a different opinion if it’s backed with logic. My only issue was the tendancy to follow a report by Davd Glenn or print outlet with “we heard it too�-type speak.

I’ve got no problem with that last comment, whatsoever.

Unlike Glenn’s focus of journalism, our focus is NC State. The last thing that we wanted pinned on us was something sensitive getting into the public domain that was going to negatively impact the search. Glenn has more experience making decisions what to disclose and not disclose.

To be fair, I trust some of Glenn’s sources much more than some of our own. Therefore, when Glenn would run something, then we often had validation on something we heard. If we had run everything that we had heard, we’d have been wrong some of the time. Since the focus and energy of our volunteer bloggers (who all have other jobs) isn’t on breaking the news, we weren’t going to risk losing credibility just of the sake of throwing everything against the wall.

Just to clarify – we weren’t saying “we heard it too” to get any kind of credit for the info…we were saying it so that our readers that didn’t believe Glenn would have another point of reference Additionally, we often elaborated more deeply than other media sources once news had become public.

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27 Responses to 850 The Buzz: Winners and Losers of the Search

  1. BillyTheKid 05/05/2006 at 8:32 AM #

    As I’ve said before, I don’t agree with a lot of the things y’all say but I would like to think you for all the hard work you guys do. Thank You.

  2. StateFans 05/05/2006 at 8:35 AM #

    You shouldn’t agree with all of the things that we say. Something would be wrong with you. Heck, we don’t agree with all of the things we say – there are over a half dozen of us. We all have some different ideas.

  3. Tired in Florida 05/05/2006 at 8:41 AM #

    ….being down here in the Sunshine State and with no access to the regular triangle media coverage, it didn’t take long to figure out that SFN was the place to come to first (followed by RAWFS) for info during this bizarre journey ….many thanks for your hard work……Regards, Joe

  4. TampaPack 05/05/2006 at 8:44 AM #

    ^ I definately second that one. You guys have done a great job, and I should say always have. I found your site around the beginning of last basketball season and have been hooked every since. Thanks for all your hard work and providing an outlet for fans from all over the place to get together. Thanks again.

  5. CarnifeX 05/05/2006 at 8:44 AM #

    RSS feeds would be awesome.

  6. TNCSU 05/05/2006 at 8:59 AM #

    ^^I’d just like to pipe in and say “Thanks” also. I didn’t discover the site until the first week of the search, but now it’s at the top of my “favorites” and has been a great source of info and discussion. I’ve enjoyed the differing opinions, and appreciate your work. Go Pack!

  7. bigTHEW 05/05/2006 at 9:05 AM #

    I will admit that I had dismissed this site some time ago when I first saw it. II felt it was just some other fire Herb site from some uninformed fan. (I am sure I was totally off base since I didn’t really read any of the articles at the time. I really dismissed blogs in general as not being a real source for news even though I am a web developer and have a blog I need to post in myself now.) However when the coaching search took off the ground this became one of the few sites I would come to check-up on. Like everyone else, a lot of what you say I don’t always agree with, but you do an excellent job presenting an argument and backing it up with reason and sometimes facts.

    I look forward to your takes on the direction on NC State’s season next year and I encourage you to continue to keep up the good work.

  8. NCSUSix 05/05/2006 at 9:31 AM #

    I dont remember how I found SFN but I’m glad I did.
    Outstanding Blog.

    Welcome to the Lowe Show!

  9. BladenWolf 05/05/2006 at 9:36 AM #

    While we’re all in the group hug mentality:

    Thanks SFN. You guys (“over a half dozen of us”) are collectively some of the best and most informative posters on the internet regarding NC State Athletics. I tip my frosty mug to all of you. Great work.

    I have admired how this site as risen in quality and stayed focused on accuracy over quantity of hits. This site has indeed exploded recently due to your high standards and relentless fact checking. I’m proud to be a fellow member of the Pack with you guys. Keep leading the way for independent thought and analysis about our beloved alma mater.

    Here’s looking to a great basketball season!


  10. whitefang 05/05/2006 at 9:46 AM #

    As I have said before SFN is the best college sports blog of any I am aware of. While still a State fan and alumnus, I now have a vested interest in UVa sports as I have 1 kid there and another 1 planning on going there, therefore I have season FB tickets to UVa. Unfortunately they do not have a sports blog even in SFN’s league…

  11. beowolf 05/05/2006 at 9:54 AM #

    850’s take on Herb Sendek was money: *He’s not a winner, he’s not a loser…he’s just chopping wood and honoring the process.*

    I wish him well. And I’m excited about Coach Lowe and the exhilirating rush into the unknown.

  12. SF79PACK 05/05/2006 at 9:58 AM #

    SFN…I discovered this site a few weeks ago while searching for new info on the coaching search. At the same time I found some other sites and blogs but quickly discovered this was where I needed to be. I really appreciate the views and information you have brought us during this time. I haven’t posted at all during the search, just sat by and read as often as possible to try to keep up with what was going on. Again, I appreciate everything you have provided during this time and will continue to visit when I can or when I need my SFN fix. Thanks for helping all of us get through this difficult time. Now let’s all get behind Sid and help the Pack kick some ass again.

  13. tractor57 05/05/2006 at 10:02 AM #

    I found this site by clicking a link on the N&O website and I have been overjoyed to find a site that is both passionate about State athletics and passionate about “real” information rather than just the usual blog comments. Certainly a good find for me and I thank “the gang” for all the hard work.

    Go Pack!

  14. BladenWolf 05/05/2006 at 10:07 AM #

    Amen to that Beowolf!

    Sendek is a good guy, but wasn’t cut out for coaching the Pack. That position required someone, who wasn’t just showing up at the office and trying to be an example, but rather could motivate his players and teach them and raise their level of play. In the end, Herb just wanted to teach them his system and hope to stay in the ballgame. This works against the early schedule opponents, but not in the heat of conference play with UNX and Dook (and now Boston College).

    The sheer excitment of Coach Lowe on the court next year and the prospect of an up-tempo offense that is compatible with the skill sets of our athletes has me feeling very good right now. I haven’t felt this way about our Bball team in quite a while.

    So maybe the biggest winner of them all is NC State Basketball? Time will tell. I’m sure hoping so.

  15. KenMan 05/05/2006 at 10:15 AM #

    Opinions are just that, and it was nice to have a place to come and share them. “Facts” are another matter. For those I want some sense of why the source is to be considered credible, and I don’t think posturing with language as though you are somehow inside the loop is enough.

    Who is SFN really? I once asked why their opinions should be elevated above the din of the masses and requested a FAQ file to explain, to whatever extent they believed would be allowable without compromising any connections, who they were and why we should trust their reporting. That post was ignored and then pulled off the board.

    Some may say that the more information that was posted that turned out to be correct, the more reliable the source. Dangerous way to go about developing trust; I want credentials, thanks. Admittedly, I might be dense for not somehow knowing who the man behind the curtain is without any disclosures, but I doubt I’m the only one. A FAQ is not too much to ask for. That gripe aside, kudos to SFN for keeping this thing from getting out of control with either negativity or from going too far afield.

    I didn’t have the wherewithal to read the majority of the post-hire posts, so forgive me if this is retread, but I can’t help but wonder if the prolonged nature of the hunt, and even the consensus that Fowler botched the job, will be forgotten in a short time if the wins start piling up. Will he even, gasp, be credited for making a good hire and going through the process the way he had to given the pressures that were exerted on him?

    And finally, I want to again express my relief that both Calipari and Lavin turned us down. They were decidedly wrong fits for the job characterwise, and we would have lived to regret their ever coming to Raleigh, because win or lose this was to be a layover on their coaching journey, not a destination.

    “LAST STOP … RBC CENTER!” Welcome home Coach Lowe. Best of luck.

  16. WearRed92 05/05/2006 at 10:33 AM #

    Nothing like good news to bring out the love in everyone. “The Lowe Show” I love it!

  17. WearRed92 05/05/2006 at 10:35 AM #

    Well, until KenMan chimed in…

  18. redfred2 05/05/2006 at 3:00 PM #

    “Sendek is a good guy, but wasn’t cut out for coaching the Pack.”

    But how do you get one the nation’s most sought after player’s to commit to a school, and a coach, that hasn’t produced meaningful wins or NBA talent for years?

    If he had recruited off of his own game films alone, the bench would have been empty.

    There was something there that I cannot figure out at all???? and it never showed it’s face on the court. Beats the hell out of me? Can anyone try to explain?

  19. cfpack03 05/05/2006 at 3:30 PM #

    Wow, I can’t believe the only week that I’ve been ridiculously busy at work would be THIS WEEK. I found out all the news, like, 30 whole minutes after it was posted here and didn’t have time to jump into discussions.
    Anyway, thanks to SFN again. And thanks also to all the posters who provided insightful angles for which to discuss on. I enjoyed it and I’m going to enjoy NC State kickin ACC ass very very soon.

  20. cfpack03 05/05/2006 at 3:43 PM #

    RSS feeds would be awesome.
    RSS feeds have been available, link is at the very bottom of the site.

  21. VaWolf82 05/05/2006 at 3:58 PM #

    Who is SFN really? I once asked why their opinions should be elevated above the din of the masses and requested a FAQ file to explain, to whatever extent they believed would be allowable without compromising any connections, who they were and why we should trust their reporting.

    Speaking only for myself, I have no intention of answering any of these questions. I believe that opinions and conclusions should be supported by facts. I also believe that the authors here do an outstanding job on providing those facts. Personal information adds nothing.

    If you don’t like the opinions or don’t enjoy reading them, then I am sorry….but not all broken up. If our work doesn’t meet your standards, then feel free to go somewhere else. In my humble (but accurate) opinion, the writers here do an outstanding job both in content and delivery. I wouldn’t expect anyone who disagreed to make a return trip.

  22. [waves] 05/05/2006 at 4:31 PM #

    Great job, SFN!

    Two suggestions:
    1. Delete repetative posts by the anti-Herb non-thinkers. If I hear one more time that Herb’s offense was too s-l-o-w, I’ll scream. This past year, N.C. State averaged almost 76 points per game, 3rd in the ACC.
    2. A “contact” button for SFN.

    There is no “L” in Lowe… or something like that…. :p

  23. vtpackfan 05/05/2006 at 6:11 PM #

    “What State fans need to realize is that Ol’ Roy and Coach K have figure-four leg locks on the top spot. That won’t change for another 10-15 years”

    I can’t buy into this kind of trash sports reporting. It’s not because I am and always have been a NC State fan, but an overall sports junky that I find this statement misleading. There is nothing this simplistic and absolute in college basketball. Recruiting aside, one the biggest obstacles coach K and Roy have are distancing their players from this hogwash. Its a very fine line they walk upon, and injuries, academic problems, and coach’s health all combine to make it so. Boston College came into the ACC slow, but finished as stong as anyone. Last I checked Maryland been pretty decent, winning a national championship, in the last decade. UVA is under new leadership and State gets another crack at the top tier again w/ Lowe at the helm.

  24. vtpackfan 05/05/2006 at 7:08 PM #

    Lastly, I think that the state of Wolfpack basketball has been re-established, and along with Lowe, are the biggest victors. Say what you will about Fowler, but this ended in true Pack fashion. Here’s why-
    Who was State being held up to compare with? Why Duke, UNX and the like, ofcourse. There the coaching situation is thought of being a model of consistency, even when times are tough. Matt D. situation erupts, so quick bring in another Dean Smith=Fogg Allen type. K is well K, and he has so many ex-players now on his bench that Johny Dawkins would probably like to have the lawyers sign the inheritance over right now.
    In true NC State style, circa Jimmy V., our coach comes in with more questions than answers. He isn’t Mr. Right from Apple-pie U., and is not coming for the big pay day, or to show the world how brave he is for taking on Roy and K. It’s in our imagination ,like the Charles’ dunk, that something can deliver after starting so off target. Someone can be looked at like a Judas for the scandals sorrounding him, only to be so graceful and sincere in his words and actions that the saying “never give up” came to life one night. That imagination is still alive and well in the conscious of many, and its grip on us is not formed out of a reliance of success’, year after year. It lies between between the improbable and unheralded, and it’s stuff legends are made of.

  25. packfan80 05/05/2006 at 9:27 PM #


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