Because We’re NC State

BECAUSE WE’RE NC STATE, AND WE BUILT THIS HISTORIC RIVALRY
By beowolf

Several sports commentators have reacted to NC State’s ambitious coach search and fans’ expectations with anything from incredulity to outright anger. The gist of their reactions is an old chestnut now to Wolfpack fans. It basically goes as follows: “There is NO WAY NC State can compete against Roy Williams and Coach K, so they shouldn’t even try.”

I’m sure it makes sense to people outside of the Triangle, if not the Atlantic Coast Conference region. But to the rest of us, it smacks of sports commentators accustomed to hearing only themselves talk in their echo chambers of ignorance.

I hold in my hands Sports Illustrated November 26, 1973 College Basketball Preview issue with David Thompson on the cover. NC State opened that season ranked #2 in the country, second only to 7-time NCAA champion UCLA. The cover article discusses Thompson and the ACC, particularly the Big Four.

It seems Thompson chose NC State because, he said, unlike at Carolina, “I figured at State I would have a good chance at the NCAA.” That’s championship, he meant.

But the article goes on to discuss Everett Case. Here is how it begins:

The Atlantic Coast Conference has become college basketball’s foremost carnival due largely to the efforts of, appropriately, another N.C. State ringmaster. His name was Everett Case …

All of you finger-wagging talking heads who’ve ever said NC State “can’t expect to compete with Carolina and Duke” — ask yourself: Why does the SI author say “appropriately” in that introduction? Why is it appropriate, that while noting the rise of the ACC on the verge of NC State’s first national championship, that the architect of this rise be an NC State head coach?

Ponder that for a while, and try to reconcile it with your assumptions about NC State. Now, back to the article:

His name was Everett Case, and he arrived in Raleigh as head coach in 1946. Back home in Indiana, Case had never played the game but had been an admired high school coach at the age of 18. Even then he recruited tough; it was said as Case moved from town to town he transferred the good studs with him.

Case was suave and sophisticated. He bought his clothes in Chicago, had them tailored in New York and vacationed in Las Vegas. He owned a lucrative restaurant chain and scored heavily in the stock market. But he quickly became a folk hero among the dirt farmers of eastern North Carolina because he recruited exciting players, coached a fast-break style and competed and won against the best teams in America.

Case had a strategist’s mind and a promoter’s heart. He originated tournaments — the Dixie Classic with the “Big Four” colleges in the state playing against four outsiders. He forced the construction of enormous Reynolds Coliseum to be completed. He treated the rival teams in nearby Chapel Hill and Durham like junkyard hounds.

In his first 10-year period at State, Case won six Southern Conference tournaments, three ACC tournaments and six Dixie Classics. During that time his teams never won fewer than 24 games a season and several times the Wolfpack was ranked No. 1 in the country. …

What Case had established was enthusiasm and a fanatical interest in college basketball. He forced the Big Four campuses to match him. After State had defeated Carolina 15 straight times, the Chapel Hill school brought Frank McGuire down from St. John’s in 1952. …

Pretty soon you encounter names like Bones McKinney, Vic Bubas, Dean Smith, Lefty Driesell, and Norm Sloan. But it all began with Case — who “treated the rival teams in nearby Chapel Hill and Durham like junkyard hounds.” You know, the same rival teams that the myopic sports commentators say N.C. State can’t expect to compete against today.

The fact of the matter is, Case brought NC State basketball to the big time. He thoroughly thrashed the Tarheels and the Blue Devils (“like junkyard hounds,” remember), so they ponied up and brought big-time basketball to their programs. This started the Tobacco Road rivalry. It also set into motion a CYCLE: each new coach either made his mark or flamed out, but the rivals continued to pursue excellence because they’d get their teeth kicked in by the others if they didn’t.

For example, when the article got to Sloan, it said this:

Sloan, another player under Case at N.C. State, hurried back to his alma mater. In 1968 he beat Duke 12-10 and then nudged his way past Smith and Driesell by landing Burleson and Thompson. The battles were joined all over again. …

The battles were joined all over again. It’s not in these three schools’ history of rivalry, started by Case, to decline, to back away, to give up in the face of the other two’s excellence.

So it would be betrayal of itself and the Tobacco Road rivalry for NC State – the school that started this tradition! – to go along with the Jim Romes and the Jay Bilases and the Bob Hollidays and all the rest who say we can’t compete against our rivals because they’re just too good. That’s not what UNC and Duke said when we had Case, that’s not what we said when UNC and Duke had Dean and Bubas, that’s not what Duke said when we had Sloan and UNC had Dean (K and V came in the same year), that’s not what we said we Sloan left. And it’s not what we’re saying now, with Sendek gone.

It’s not unrealistic or delusional. It’s fully in keeping with our tradition and history – and with what made Tobacco Road so great. Anyone who says otherwise is revealing his own ignorance.

Related links:
Packer had right idea, wrong point

Holland 30 years ago

DT vs DrJ: The Day the dunk was born (and other “tradition” comments)

SI: State is the Origin of the Final Four’s Greatness

SI: Valvano’s Valiant Legacy

CBS: 1983 Started March Madness

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53 Responses to Because We’re NC State

  1. lumberpack 04/06/2006 at 9:14 AM #

    I thought the site was about returning us to our rightful and earned place in the ACC and the Nation.

    If someone had to be bashed in that process – so be it.

  2. pack6125 04/06/2006 at 9:15 AM #

    Great work! This site is fantastic. ESPN and all the rest would do well to document all of this info for the average, ignorant basketball fan. If the ’83 team made the Final Four what it is, and I believe it did, then Everett Case made college basketball what it is through his promotion of the game. The dark blue/powder-puff blue biased media would try to hide the fact that so much of college basketball’s history and tradition are tied to the Red and White from State. We are entitled, partly because of that status, to go after any coach we want – with the confidence that we can make the hire.

  3. NYCWolf 04/06/2006 at 9:39 AM #

    This is an excellent write-up. These are the kinds of things I’ve attempted to tell Carolina fans for at least a good decade now when I’d speak of our desire to get a new coach. Bravo.

    GO PACK.

  4. SaccoV 04/06/2006 at 9:50 AM #

    Excellent write-up. I couldn’t agree more. Interesting side note, Lunardi has put up his most recent Bracketological outlook for NEXT YEAR and WE’RE NOT MAKING THE TOURNAMENT NEXT YEAR! I guess those glorious Five-consecutive tournament bids were the pinnacle of success at our school for the next fifty years. I think Fowler and Oblinger are busy raising money to erect a statue of Herb at the RBC Center which should be completed sometime when State returns to the NCAA tournament so that fans could appreciate what we had from 1997 to 2006. I think someone would should shoot me so that I won’t have to think about killing myself after reading how damn “great” we have been.

  5. 427HEVN aka California Wolfpacker 04/06/2006 at 10:05 AM #

    NEVER FORGET IT, NC State is one of the FLAGSHIP programs of the ACC!

    Excellent write-up, just fantastic. Can someone in the know of email addresses etc please forward this to Bilas, Vitale, Rome, Holliday, etc.? Not they’ll read it or respond..how about Tudor?

  6. JimmyVguy 04/06/2006 at 10:05 AM #

    WOLFPACK HEAD COACHING UPDATE:
    Everything at this point in time is purely speculation. My family is sprinkled throughout the Wolfpack Club, 22 of us in all, with the highest ranking member being ranked number 8 overall and number 2 among individuals. This family member has called the school, left messages, but is yet to speak with Bobby Purcell about anything. The program is keeping everything under wraps so that if we fail to lure the coaching targets we pursue we don’t end up with the public mess that the Tarheels encountered a few years ago. I think that Lee Fowler and company are doing this the right way and hopefully they’ll hire the right man. The search is going to continue and we’re all going to continuenot knowing what road Fowler is headed down. If my family members don’t know what is going on then nobody does except for Fowler. Speculation is all we’ve got, and with that being the case…I know who my family wants as NC States next coach, and that man is Rick Barnes.

  7. Wolf's Eye 04/06/2006 at 10:13 AM #

    I’m for Rick, too! Is Wendell’s home airport Kenansville? He’s probably enjoying the Master’s about now! 😉 Wish I was!

  8. JimmyVguy 04/06/2006 at 10:16 AM #

    Speculation:
    How long has the Rick Barnes scenerio been playing out? How many days has it been since Texas promised him a larger than expected raise? Personally, I think that there is a little bidding war going on behind the scenes or that Barnes is mulling over his options.

  9. David 04/06/2006 at 10:21 AM #

    In my view it is still early in the game. No news is good news!

  10. Sammy Kent 04/06/2006 at 10:27 AM #

    HOOAH!!!!!!!

  11. jeff_c 04/06/2006 at 10:33 AM #

    I have that same feeling in my gut that I had watching our boys play for the past 10+ years:

    Hope = disapointment

  12. Alpha Wolf 04/06/2006 at 10:34 AM #

    Allow me to climb upon my soapbox:

    To my thinking, this hire is not about UNC or Duke.

    It is about US.

    It is about reclaiming a murdered heritage.

    Yes, I said murdered. It was slain in the late 1980’s by Claude Sitton and Peter Golenbock. Their accomplices were all of those unwilling to sit still and wait for the truth.

    Were there problems in the NC State basketball program? Yes. But problems that could have been fixed by one Jim Valvano, that, and a new athletic director. Valvano brought much to NC State, and when it was he that needed State’s help, the pols ran like roaches under the kitchen light, looking for the first place to hide that they could find.

    It was, and still is, shameful.

    Herb Sendek, love him or hate him, picked up NC State basketball, dusted it off and gave it and its fans reason to hope once again. Sendek should forever be thanked for that. Sendek could not take the next step, and he was a stubborn taskmaster. He left when the rebuilding job was finished, to take on another home improvement project out west. Best of luck to him. He’ll succeed there too, wait and see.

    Now, State is looking for the leader to take it back to where it once was, albeit for all too short a stay. The cradle of basketball wants to give birth again, to the coach that will come, to the players that will excel, to the banners as yet unprinted.

    In short, the sleeper is awakening. We are NC State – we are the school that gave so much to college basketball – namely, a lot of its identity. Yes, it was built on and taken over by the Dukes, UNCs, and others. But we were there in the beginning, and we have every right to strive to be there in the future.

    This is America, after all: we all have the right to try to be better.

    Listen not to the fool who says it cannot be done. For them, it cannot. For the determined, it most certainly can. No one says that road will be easy, or that it will be straight, but that road, once taken requires but two things: dogged determination and a refusal to cowardly take a U-turn.

    We can go down that difficult road and see the journey to its end. Look at the degree on the wall if you are an NC State graduate. Think of the sweat and dedication it took to earn it. This journey, for the athletes will be similar and perhaps even more arduous. But, like you, they can earn that too. And you can be there to help, to cheer, to offer your support every step of the way.

    You students: you DESERVE to feel what we felt in the early spring of 1983. You kids: you DESERVE to feel the feeling I felt as a 12 year old pedalling home to North Raleigh from Meredith College and a bike-a-thon, after watching NC State defeat UCLA on a sunny Saturday afternoon. It is my hope for you that you do. That feeling, standing with your team on the mountain top is the best that sports can offer you.

    That is the NC State way, and that is what I hope each and every Wolfpack fan does from the opening tip of next season.

  13. J-wolf 04/06/2006 at 10:42 AM #

    This was an excellent read. Sometimes you get so caught up in the “hype” and you start to lose your faith that NC State is one of the nation’s elite programs, when something like this gem comes up and restores everything. Someone send this to Rick Barnes!

  14. JimmyVguy 04/06/2006 at 10:59 AM #

    Alfa Wolf…great point
    My grandad walked out on the wolfpack club the day they ran off Jimmy V and told them all they had ruined our program and wouldn’ have a ball team for twenty years.
    I hope my grandad was off by a few years. So far…its held true.

  15. Rick 04/06/2006 at 11:05 AM #

    Great article and oh so true.

    Every UNC or Duke fan has forgotten what we were.
    I want to see us resurrect our tradition. This hire is what can do that.

  16. class of '74 04/06/2006 at 11:20 AM #

    A point to remember this whole problem is generational. If you are under 30 maybe 34 then all you know is ESPN, Duke and UNC. Remember Dean did not win a national title until 1982. People my age and older thought Dean was the biggest choker of all time for always finding a way to lose in the sweet sixteen or the final four. But those of you under 35 think of Dean in a different light. And those same people only know of K and Duke as having annual travel plans reserved for the final four weekend.

    Everett Case and Vic Bubas did more for this conference than the average person will ever know. I’m just glad I was able to witness most of it and hpoefully equally good times are on our horizon.

  17. Jeff D 04/06/2006 at 11:26 AM #

    Well done, beo. Well done.

  18. Ken 04/06/2006 at 12:10 PM #

    Good job. Now forward this to all those ESPN fools!

  19. cfpack03 04/06/2006 at 12:14 PM #

    “A point to remember this whole problem is generational. ”

    Absolutely right. I’ve said this a few times here. Our defining moments occured over 20 years ago so potential recruits and incoming students don’t fully understand our tradition.
    This new coaching decision carries more gravity than I can explain in words.

  20. Mike 04/06/2006 at 12:48 PM #

    The other thing about that 1973 Sports Illustrated article is that is was written by their then-college basketball editor, Curry Kirkpatrick, a Carolina grad.

    Back then even UNC media people understood the importance of NCSU’s place in college BB history.

  21. Carl NCSU '73 04/06/2006 at 12:58 PM #

    When it comes to the media’s comments everyone please remember one thing: It’s always in their interest to p— you off. Why? Because what’s the first thing most people do? They tune in to hear more of what’s being said and us tuning in is what they are really about.

    All these guys know that the worm turns sooner or later but in the meantime they also know that society has such a short memory that they can play to the moment for viewer or listener ratings.

    When Caulton Tudor writes something negative he knows it sells newspapers. When ESPN’s Mike Tirico says (of football) “What do they expect here in Raleigh? 11 wins?” he knows more people will tune in to ESPN. When Jim Rome says as he did this past Monday that we will never be competitive with Duke and UNC he knows it’s probably not true but he also knows that we’ll dial him in on Tuesday to hear his next comment.

    Then, a few years later when a V or K or Roy has done the impossible all the comments turn to something like “We knew this guy was a winner all along and we told you so way back when he was hired”. Personally, I hope ESPN puts Tirico in the booth for the game when Chuck gets his 11th win of the season.

    (Change the subject from sports to politics and you have the average political campaign that plays every four years to a dumbed down society.)

    So thanks, beowolf, for bringing all this back into the light. Being over 50 years old I remember all this stuff, refuse to forget it, and I demand that someone have balls enough to get us back there.

  22. TomA. 04/06/2006 at 1:10 PM #

    Just to add to what ’74 said…how seriously can you take ESPN sometimes when it names Dean Smith the greatest coach of the ESPN 25 year era? Never forget not only how long it took for him to win a national championship but that both of them were not because of Carolina’s great play but the result of the opponents horrific end game chokes! the”PASS” and the’TIMEOUT”. People talk about last year being of UNCs best teams ever…look to 1984. I believe 4 future NBA all-stars and Dean could not even get them out of the regionals. As for these borish radiotalkers who seem to think that NCSU should just know their place and not worry about trying to compete with Duke or UNC by that logic Duke should not be where they are now since they were always behind State,Maryland,and UNC for decades. Also why are they so happy and celebratory about George Mason’s success? After all by beating the teams that they did to get to the final four they didn’t “stay in their place” either. So to heck with all of them and let’s get the PACK back to where they beong!

  23. JamesP 04/06/2006 at 1:52 PM #

    I’m a New Yorker, a Duke alum/fan, and was born in the 1970’s, and even I know about Coach Case, Reynolds, and State’s tradition. There is no reason to think State can’t draw a coach who is on a championship level and who wants to compete with the K’s and Roy’s of the world. That said, I think the problem you guys are going to face right now is the lack of an obvious candidate. It seems like a lot of you are really jazzed about Barnes, but despite the great success he’s had at Texas, he never got it done when he was in the ACC. And in the national tourney, he’s only had 1 final four, and his last 3 years were 1st round exit, regional semifinal exit, regional final exit. That’s not a super upgrade over Sendek (2nd round exit, regional semi exit, 2nd round exit). I would think Jay Wright would be the guy, but it sounds like he doesn’t want to move.

    I think the question for the State fan base has to answer is would you rather have Barnes (years of coaching in major conferences and moderate tourney success at best) or someone who’s an up-and-comer but a new name.

  24. BleedRed 04/06/2006 at 2:58 PM #

    Alpha wrote:
    “You students: you DESERVE to feel what we felt in the early spring of 1983. You kids: you DESERVE to feel the feeling I felt as a 12 year old pedalling home to North Raleigh from Meredith College and a bike-a-thon, after watching NC State defeat UCLA on a sunny Saturday afternoon. It is my hope for you that you do. That feeling, standing with your team on the mountain top is the best that sports can offer you.”
    I remember (being a Pack fan since ’69 and graduating there in ’81) well the feeling that NC State naturally belonged at the top of the ACC and the top of the NCAA pecking order. That a Jay Bilas can even think to say what he did shows how scared the Holes and Devils are for us to return to our rightful position. We most assuredly will do so!!!
    My daughter is a freshman at Florida now. She called me at 1am Tuesday and held up the phone on University Avenue in Gainesville and shouted: “Dad, can you hear that?!!” I can’t tell you how that feeling she was enjoying brought back the joy of ’74 and ’83 so VIVIDLY.
    I have this great feeling about Wolfpack basketball that I haven’t come close to feeling since ’86. GO PACK!!!!!!!

  25. class of '74 04/06/2006 at 3:04 PM #

    ^^Big difference coaching at Clemson and coaching at NCSU.

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