Wolfpackers Jumping Off Ship

What a day!!!

Lee Fowler’s annual version of “I support Sendek” has unleashed a fire storm out here in the real world where workers are held to standards and decisions are based on merit and not only on personal infatuations of big farmers or career climbing Jethros.

I haven’t been in the office since this morning (have to work towards my annual production goals, you see) so I haven’t had the opportunity to read any message board posts outside of these comments…but, I can’t count the number of personal emails and telephone messages of disgust that I have just picked up.

The message that Lee Fowler and Chancellor Oblinger are sending from NC State is crystal clear – NC State accepts failure to succeed at levels that are comparable to other institutions and NC State underscores this lack of ambition through its long term record of management decisions.

From what I can tell, the NC State Community is responding to this message in pretty big numbers. Many Wolfpackers that I know are simply giving up and walking away.

But, I have an additional observation about this situation that I had never considered much prior to the last few days. The interesting part of my experience in recent weeks (and particularly over the last 48 hours) is NOT that former great Wolfpacers have reached their breaking point and are apathetically walking away from their support of NC State…but it is THE TYPE OF PEOPLE that are giving up and walking away.

Since State’s Basketball season has ended, I have interacted (in person, on phone, on email) with the following set of Wolfpackers:
* 4 CEOs of companies with revenues in excess of $50 million
* 2 CFOs of nice-sized companies
* a partner at a major accounting firm
* 2 accountants of Big Five firms
* 3 employees of NC State University
* 4 attorneys from 3 different (highly-recognizable) law firms
* a judge
* 5 bankers employed by 2 of the 4 largest banks in America
* 2 consultants
* 1 political consultant
* 1 real estate developer
* 1 finance executive for a Fortune 100 company

These former Wolfpackers all shared what I considered to be interesting traits:
* Each is considered to be very successful by modern standards of the business world
* Each is beyond disgusted with NC State
* Each is between the age of 30 and 50

Of course, it is just a observation based on my personal interactions, but the fact that each of these successful individuals are between the age of 30 and 50 years old struck me as interesting. I wouldn’t think that it bodes well for the future of NC State University for so much young and successful talent to feel so disenfranchised and frustrated with the University. But, what do I know?

In twenty years NC State will be wondering why it has a huge leadership gap within its alumni community and why its alumni support the University at a rate disproportionately less than other schools (that is..if anyone at NC State would ever dare use defined, measureable, and comparable data as a benchmark for behavior). Perhaps at that point the members of the current Board of Directors, the Chancellor, Wendell Murphy, Lee Fowler, and Herb Sendek will step in and save the future of the University. Well…maybe the 2 or 3 of them that are still alive at that time. Because, I know an awful lot of talented folks that have little interest in being a part of it now…and, I fear forever.

I will leave you quotes from the last voice mail message that I received today from the CFO of a major business headquartered in the Triangle:

“I will be reducing my Wolfpack Club donation to the minimum for my lifetime rights. #&%@ it. It is time for me to grow away from NC State. I will still pull for them. But I will not care anymore.

Sadly, ^this is highly consistent with dozens of other interactions that I have personally had recently. Good Luck, NC State.

General NCS Basketball Quotes of Note

132 Responses to Wolfpackers Jumping Off Ship

  1. Chip 03/22/2006 at 6:27 PM #

    I have been a State fan my whole life. I graduated from State in 1997 and went to law school in Alabama. I didn’t miss games when I was at State and would drive 9 hours each way to watch games when I was in Alabama. Last year I drove to Syracuse for the sweet sixteen, I’ve gone to 85% of the home games since I moved back to NC 5 years ago. I’ve gone to 7 of the last 8 ACC tournaments to support the Pack.

    But I’m done. I will not go to games. I will not give money. As long as Sendek and Fowler remain I will not support the School, period.

  2. GAWolf 03/22/2006 at 6:32 PM #

    Greg… at this point I’ve unfortunately accepted you and your big money givers as being in control. Herb is here, and he will remain here until next year is a complete flop and he is ousted by an angry lynchmob that pales to what you’re witnessing now. So in that sense, you are completely right… all comes in good time.

    However, I can’t accept Lee Fowler’s pompous approach to managing our athletic department. Because of that, I just sent this email to Oblinger:

    Chancellor Oblinger,

    I am unfortunately a very proud third generation N. C. State alumnus. My grandfather graduated from State College with only a couple of hundred classmates. My father graduated from NC State in 1970 and occasionally returns to the campus to speak to undergraduates. I graduated from State and went on to law school. I now practice law here in Raleigh. While at State I walked on to the baseball team and spent two years giving my sweat and tears just to maybe have an opportunity to wear an N. C. State uniform on the field of play. I chose to return to Raleigh primarily because of my deep love for N. C. State University and it’s athletic program.

    I say “‘unfortunately’ a very proud third generation N. C. State alumnus” because today I am very embarrassed that I feel obligated to write this email to you.

    My father and I have had long talks about the unbelievable decline in our administration’s interest in athletics. God rest his soul, I can’t help but believe that today my grandfather rolled over in his grave. As a devout fan of Wolfpack Athletics and a strong supporter of the educational opportunities furthered by our institution, I can only imagine that he never thought the day would come when failure was so widely acknowledged as acceptable by our University. Our University is not your University, and it certainly is not Lee Fowler’s University.

    It pains me that you allow a man like Lee Fowler to continue to thumb his nose at the mass of our alumni. The reality of the situation is that the alumni who dearly love this University, who live and breath this University, have been here supporting it long before you or Mr. Fowler got to Raleigh. I hope it goes without saying that we as alumni will be here long after the two of you are gone.

    On behalf of all of the alumni who are at wit’s end with Lee Fowler’s arrogant and distasteful approach to managing our athletic department, I ask that you take action to muzzle him if not fire him. As the head of the most public and obvious department in our University, he is an embarrassment to us all.

    To reiterate: as alumni we are the University. Lee Fowler is not the University, you are not the University, and certainly I alone am not the University. The alumni are collectively, however, the University. You and Mr. Fowler are unfortunately merely employees of our University. Mr. Fowler’s lack of respect for the institution that is the N.C. State alumni along with his forever self-serving approach to managing our athletic department is something I can no longer accept. I for one will not stand for it anymore. After speaking to countless alumni both in the legal field and out of it, I can fairly say that I am not alone.

    I hope that you actually read this email. I am confident you will not. Nonetheless, I think it my duty to share with you how the majority of University alumni feel about this situation. I look forward to seeing how this unfortunate situation unfolds.

    Sincerely,

  3. David C. 03/22/2006 at 6:36 PM #

    Greg,

    I have to say you may just be part of the problem, we have too many people that have gotten so much access to this particular coach that they haven’t been afforded by other coaches that they have been able to develop a friendship which has clouded their decision making skills and as a result they are not able to see the forest for the trees….

    I have to ask did you ever play organized basketball??? I didn’t play at the college level, but I did play for a coach who now has over 500 wins in NC High School and just won another state title a couple of weeks ago… he preached, stressed, ran us til we puked driving home fundamentals that this coach doesn’t even seem to know about….

    I have written in the past stating the fundamental areas where I see problems with our basketball coach in which I simply asked that these concerns be discussed and addressed with the athletic administration, it is also my understanding that many other supporters who have also played organized basketball have also addressed these same areas of concerns (more notably one of our greatest players ever Tommy Burleson addressed the same issues I have, publically in the last week on a live radio interview). This coach does not make adjustments and never has a plan B or plan C when the original plan of attack is not working, he does not specific game plan to attack an upcoming opponents weaknesses, he does not press when down, he doesn’t call time-outs to stop another team momentum, he seems to be too stubborn to sit down and make changes and adapt his system where needed(and from those I’m aware of that even tried to bring it up in conversation with him or the AD you get put on the defensive). So after 10 years what do we think is going to change, past performance is a key indicator of future expectations. I have met Mr. Sendek and agree with anyone’s assessment that he has a strong character and is a nice guy to be around but those qualities do not necessarily qualify you to be a Div. I Men’s Basketball Coach. I know the administration will also bring up the talking points about progress and those 5 straight NCAA bids, (something 15 teams in this year’s tournament have also accomplished) but when you look at the numbers I see no progress, if anything we have reached a plateau and stagnated.

    Of the 15 teams to reach the NCAA 5 years in a row…
    NC State has the second worst average seeding,
    their seeding has actually dropped to its worst level of 10 the past 2 years,
    of these 15 programs they are the only team that has not reached a final 8 or won a conference championship,

    and this past season our “body of work” included
    *10-6 in the weakest ACC in memory
    * #51 in the RPI
    * 4th place finish in #3 conference in the country
    * Played the 4th easiest conference schedule of the ACC teams
    * 3-6 vs NCAA Tournament Teams
    * 1-5 vs RPI’s Top 25
    * 3-5 vs RPI’s Top 50
    * 8-3 vs RPI’s #51-100
    * 2-1 vs RPI’s #101-200
    * 8-0 vs RPI’s #201+
    * #206 Ranked Out of Conference strength schedule
    * #64 Ranked overall strength of schedule
    * 1-5 vs Big Four competition (3 games vs LAST PLACE team in the ACC)
    * 18 teams had as many or more wins vs the RPI’s Top 100 than NC State’s 11
    * 38% of this season’s wins came against teams ranked worse than #200 in the RPI
    here wasn’t a single program in the RPI’s Top 25 that won as large of a percentage of their games against programs ranked worse than #200 as NC State.
    Not another BCS Conference program (ranked in the Top 50) won a greater percentage of their games against teams ranked worse than #200.
    NC State won a greater percentage of games against teams #200+ than 44 of the Top 50 teams in the RPI.

    The only improvement I’ve seen is we continue to play poor competition win just enough to sneak in the NCAA and then folks like yourself and the AD tought all this improvement because of consecutive NCAA’s….

    My HS coach said you have to play the best to beat the best, also my coach stressed fundamentals that this coach of a Div. I program doesn’t even seem to know about…
    (when is the last time you saw this team block out, but yet we wonder why teams absolutely kill us in the rebounds and second chance point categories year after year)….

    When do we see a change..
    after the $$$ attached to those 80-85% of WPC members wanting to see a change is greater than your inner circle of 25 or so odd donors…

  4. ncsumatman 03/22/2006 at 6:38 PM #

    My problem is basically found as an underlying theme in the above letter. This is not Herb’s, nor Lee’s univeristy, it is ours, the alumni, the fans. Unfortunately, they have taken it from us, they are killing it, and it’s not even theirs’ to kill. F### them.

  5. VaWolf82 03/22/2006 at 6:39 PM #

    when we lose one LTR owner, another steps up and takes his place. Net zero.

    According to the Wolfpack Club’s site, there are still BB LTR seats for sale in the RBC Center. This doesn’t seem to be consistent with your claims.

  6. David C. 03/22/2006 at 6:43 PM #

    GA Wolf, I could not have said it any better….

    In my email to the WPC today I openly called for change in the administration of the AD and backed it up and the response I got from Fowler was why on earth would I want to fire Herb….

    He is clueless, our chancellor is clueless, and the University is clueless….

  7. Greg 03/22/2006 at 6:48 PM #

    NCAAT does not determine conference placement. GA Tech wasnt the best team in the conference the year they went to the finals.

    I should not have called out newswolf like that but its irritating to see people make statements “like they know” the truth.

    State finished fourth in the conference this year despite playing the last third of the season with one starter at about 60%, another starter at about 75%, and an undisclosed injury to another very important starter. I never heard Sendek make one excuse, never heard one plea for forgiveness, and still havent. He knows he doesnt need to because those of us who know the whole story dont need one.

  8. WufPacker 03/22/2006 at 6:51 PM #

    Greg Says: “The kind of success we want at NCSU isnt something that can be accomplished overnight in most cases.”

    Please explain how 10 years equals overnite. And don’t say the first 5 years don’t count because if thats the case you have no argument since we have held steady with no improvement over the past 5 years, and arguably have gone backwards.

    Incidentally I have heard many folks use this argument. However, since you are a top 25 donor and all I figure you must know more than everyone else and can answer the question where others have been unable to do so.

  9. Jeff 03/22/2006 at 7:23 PM #

    By the way…I love GAWolf. Absolutely love GAWolf’s stuff.

    Greg…you must have married, inherited or won your money in a lottery.

  10. BJD95 03/22/2006 at 7:53 PM #

    Sendek’s got his inner circle wrapped around his finger. That much has never been in dispute.

  11. TVP 03/22/2006 at 7:56 PM #

    I don’t think the answer is to cut yourself out of the University as a whole (such as investing time and money into general scholarships, mentoring programs, and the like). That helps nothing and hurts students who have nothing to do with the situation (and indirectly hurts yourself by devaluing the University and thus the quality of your degree).

    Reducing your involvement with the athletic department and Wolfpack Club seems to be the way to go to indicate your displeasure if you are not one of the top 25 donors and thus your voice is not being heard.

    Frankly, I feel sorry for everyone who was suckered into investing thousands in LTRs. I was too young to be caught in that trap; now that I am beginning my career I have learned from the mistakes of others and will not waste my money on NC State athletics until I am confident that it won’t be money squandered.

  12. NCSU'79 03/22/2006 at 8:16 PM #

    I’ve mentioned this before.

    Boycott all Games until NCSU Management gets it!

  13. wrNCSU 03/22/2006 at 8:19 PM #

    Greg,

    Congratulations on being a top 25 donor!!!!!!!!!! Why can’t you admit the obvious, that Sendek has taken ud as far as he can. Sure we are better than we were 10 years ago, but that was the worst era in our history. Mediocre is not good enough for a school with our resources and tradition. In fact, with the aformentioned resources and tradition, success can and should be acheived almost overnight. Rick Barnes did it at Texas, Skip Prosser did it at WFU of all places, Billy Donovan did it at Florida, Rick Pitino did it at Louisville. I could go on. We don’t need a “quick fix” nor are we seeking one. We have provided for the best basketball arena in the nation and we have a storied tradition which was not too long ago the premier program on Tobacco Road, the ACC, and even the nation. Herb has done some good things, but if you step back and look at the obvious trends, we are not going to challenge for ACC or NCAA championships with him at the helm. Most people were probably raised with the philosophy that doing enough to just get by is not enough. It would be nice to see our esteemed university and it’s highest paying donors to hold its employees to the same standard. Espcecially considering how much money we former students have pledged via rapidly rising tuition and book fees. I think we have earned the right to have as much say as anyone else. NC State fans want to cease being a national joke and we want to return to glory..DAMNIT………’74, ’83,….it’s time for another one folks. Let’s make it happen!!

  14. Grumpy Llama 03/22/2006 at 9:03 PM #

    “Undisclosed injury?”

    Beowolf may have to add this to his list.

  15. Frank 03/22/2006 at 9:03 PM #

    Historical data on the NCSU basketball program.

    In all time wins and winning % according to the NCAA, NCSU ranks in the top 25 in wins, top 20 in winning % and average wins per season. In the ACC NCSU ranks #3 in NCAA Titles, ACC Regular Season Titles, ACC Tournament Titles, Wins and winning %. In the ACC they trail only UNC and Duke, also they have a winning records vs all other teams in the ACC except UNC and Duke. These are fairly impressive #’s when you consider how terrible they were in the 1990’s. So if anyone ask what do fans expect the argument can be made that the standards over time have been fairly high.
    In regards to Sendek he needs to lighten up some, a little personality and passion can sure help in times of some adversity, I am tired of the phrase “chopping wood�. When coaches accept the large salaries they know that part of the job is to install hope, excitement and passion into the program and in this part he has been terrible, sometimes winning is not enough. People say that D Smith was very similar but he won a heck of a lot of games and after 10 years he had UNC as one of the top programs in the nation, not meandering around the middle of the ACC.

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  16. wopacker1980 03/22/2006 at 9:51 PM #

    Dear Greg, my friendly suggestion is that one of you should share anything worth knowing with the rest of us.
    I’ve been in the WPC for 27 years and while I’m not in the top 25, I imagine the backbone of the club is made of the likes of me and after standing behind Herb for 9 seasons I’m just worn out and my wallet is too.

    The WPC isn’t your personal Skull ‘N Bones.

  17. OwenDorm83 03/22/2006 at 9:51 PM #

    I’m just tired of being mad about this. I still can’t believe that we layed the egg we layed against Chapel Hill in Raleigh. Then, the “wait-till-the-shot-clock’s-under-5-and-hoist-a-3” & Big Ced at the top of the key with his back to the basket offense against BC. Then don’t show up twice against Wake. I kinda kept up with the score a little bit in the NCAAs, but probably didn’t watch 5 total minutes.

    I just can’t take it any more. Look over at the coach and he’s got this DUH look on his face standing there chewing gum. I know he’s a smart guy, but he isn’t getting it done.

    21 whole points in the 2nd half against Texas!

    I’m just tired of it. I’m not sure when/if I’m coming back.

  18. TPack 03/22/2006 at 10:08 PM #

    “People say that D Smith was very similar but he won a heck of a lot of games and after 10 years he had UNC as one of the top programs in the nation, not meandering around the middle of the ACC.”

    People also mention Coach K, but didn’t he have his powerhouse started by like 3 or 4 years in?

  19. Chip 03/22/2006 at 11:26 PM #

    Greg:

    The Program is obviously like a beach house or boat to you and those like you. It’s your own little private team. What you guys say goes. Guess that’s life. For some reason you have no problem with the program, Sendek or Fowler. I honestly don’t know why.

    But you are crazy if you think “Most” wolfpackers support Sendek. I don’t know a single NC State fan who supports Sendek. Granted I don’t know you or the rest big check writers, but I do know a lot of State fans. Apparently you guys haven’t heard Tommy Burleson, seen any of the polls, listened to the radio talk shows (minus Herb’s show), read the newspapers, or seen the hundreds of posters who plead for change.

    You may call the shots but you are lying to yourself if you think “Most” wolfpackers agree with your decision. And if you can’t see that supporting Sendek is dividing the fanbase and hurting the University then you are blind. Have fun with your team.

  20. Frank 03/22/2006 at 11:29 PM #

    In Coack K 7th season they were in the NCAA championship game with a 34-3 record

  21. scott 03/23/2006 at 1:50 AM #

    Note my post under the “Clockwork” article above. I’m giving up my b-ball LTR’s as well. I refuse to give any further support to this incompetent athletic dept. or the WPC that blindly supports it.

  22. class of '74 03/23/2006 at 6:33 AM #

    All I can say to Greg is if you do have money it only proves fools can be wealthy too. I suspect you are a legend in your own mind only and a small time chump change loudmouth!

    If Fooler, Oblinger and the athletic council bolsheviks don’t care then why should we. Don’t contibute, don’t attend, and don’t support will overcome the fools such as Greg and our incompetent administration. The truth is they can’t survive without the support of the Wolfpack Club.

  23. Herb 03/23/2006 at 7:19 AM #

    Unfortunately, not giving (or cutting back is not the answer). The WPC is forced to answer to its donors. If people critical of the administration stop giving money, the status quo crew makes up a greater share of the WPC’s revenue, and thus has even more say. You never hear of a coach getting fired because a bunch of alumni with lots of money but they never gave any to the univ. getting a coach fired do you? It’s always the big donors. Don’t give our athletic dept. to the Gregs of the world! Send your critical letter with your check – I guarantee you they’ll read that.

  24. VaWolf82 03/23/2006 at 8:07 AM #

    The odds are better that Greg is trolling than he is a top-25 donor. I could be wrong, but I think that this comment is telling:

    “The problem with your argument is that when we lose one LTR owner, another steps up and takes his place. Net zero.”

    According to the Wolfpack Club’s website, there are LTR seats still for sell in the RBC Center…including some lower level “end zone” seats. So while he may or may not be a troll, he certainly doesn’t know what he is talking about.

  25. Cardiff Giant 03/23/2006 at 8:38 AM #

    Only a boycott will fix this.

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