RPI Graph Update

General NCS Basketball Stat of the Day17

I changed my mind and decided to make a short entry whenever I update the RPI graph. State’s win on Saturday moved State to #26 in the RPI Ranking. (Real life is about interfere with my free time, so the updates may be sporadic for the next week or so.)

1/15/06 Update

RPI Trivia for the Day
In the RPI top-30, there are only three teams with overall SOS’s ranked in the triple-digits….UConn (146), Southern Illinois (106), and NC State (124).

Good News Alert
I doubt that many State fans care much one way or another about BC. However, as State’s lone win against a team in the RPI Top-50 going into Saturday, BC had temporarily become my second-favorite college team. Things are very dynamic at this time of the year down in the 40’s where BC dropped after their loss to State. In fact, BC moved up five spots after the State loss and that was before their win yesterday over FSU. With yesterday’s win, BC jumped to #34.

With an OT victory over St Joe’s, George Washington has climbed into the RPI Top-50 at #47. GW’s next game against Stony Brook (#266) certainly won’t help their ranking any. But for now, State’s record against the RPI Top-50 stands even at 2-2

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General NCS Basketball Stat of the Day

17 Responses to RPI Graph Update

  1. class of '74 01/16/2006 at 7:06 AM #

    This may be the year that State’s RPI is rendered almost meaningless due to a 2nd place finish in the ACC. Obviously the 2nd place finish would greatly affect the RPI but the focus should be our conference placing. Everything else will fall into place with good results in the ACC. And at this moment we appear to be the 2nd best team in the ACC.

  2. Mr. O 01/16/2006 at 7:22 AM #

    Maryland looked pretty good last night. I would say that us and Maryland are the two teams fighting for the #2 spot.

  3. David T. Williams 01/16/2006 at 7:35 AM #

    I have been reading from the website for over a year now and absolutely love it. One interesting note from the games on Saturday, as Brackman was putting in the free throw that sealed the game for State – so was the Miami player doing the same at the game against UNC (I was using the PIP mode on the TV) at the exact same time – it was uncanny and hopefully a sign.

  4. VaWolf82 01/16/2006 at 7:56 AM #

    This may be the year that State’s RPI is rendered almost meaningless

    I am almost sure that the selection committee has said that the RPI is also used to help seed the teams as well as pick through the bubble teams.

  5. Fred 01/16/2006 at 8:47 AM #

    RPI will never be meaningless with the committee. As bad as the ACC is this year, a second or third place finish will be required to get anything better than a #6 seed. We could easily finish second in the league with no wins over the RPI top 25. That won’t necessarily get you a 3 or 4 seed.

  6. class of '74 01/16/2006 at 9:03 AM #

    ^It would be an all-time first that 2nd place in the ACC would get no better than a #6 seed. My feelings are the ACC is down this year but look around and explain to me who the heck looks that good as a league anyway! Right now the Big East would be my top rated league but the others all look shaky from week to week.

  7. Mr. O 01/16/2006 at 9:31 AM #

    Isn’t the ACC the #2 rated conference in the RPI?

    Here are the Sagarins:

    CONFERENCE CENTRAL MEAN SIMPLE AVERAGE TEAMS

    1 BIG TEN = 83.59 82.90 ( 2) 11
    2 ATLANTIC COAST = 83.34 83.92 ( 1) 12
    3 BIG EAST = 82.58 82.51 ( 3) 16
    4 SOUTHEASTERN = 81.71 82.30 ( 4) 12
    5 MISSOURI VALLEY = 80.75 80.01 ( 6) 10
    6 BIG 12 = 80.51 80.40 ( 5) 12
    7 PACIFIC-10 = 79.12 79.31 ( 7) 10
    8 MOUNTAIN WEST = 76.55 76.40 ( 8) 9
    9 ATLANTIC 10 = 76.53 76.39 ( 9) 14
    10 WESTERN ATHLETIC = 74.96 74.55 ( 11)

    The ACC is rated the best conference in the Sagarin on the Simple measure. When they underweight the highest and lowest rated teams, we are barely number 2.

  8. VaWolf82 01/16/2006 at 9:57 AM #

    Conference rankings based on RPI (from kenpom.com)
    1 Big Ten Conference—————- .5958
    2 Atlantic Coast Conference——- .5861
    3 Southeastern Conference——– .5832 .
    4 Big East Conference————— .5819
    5 Missouri Valley Conference —–.5641
    6 Big XII Conference —————-.5518
    7 Pac 10 Conference—————- .5510
    8 Mountain West Conference——.5237
    9 Atlantic 10 Conference ———-.5212
    10 Colonial Athletic Associatio— .5155

    The ACC is still strong…just not as strong as the last two years. Here are some thoughts from Ken’s blog (1/11):

    The ACC isn’t going to get much consideration for being the best conference because the top of the conference isn’t as strong as the Big Ten or Big East. But the bottom half of the ACC is stronger than the comparable group in any other conference.

  9. Mr. O 01/16/2006 at 10:01 AM #

    Comments like that are very odd to me. How does he measure “best conference”? Is he talking about which conference has the most top teams or he is talking about which is the best conference? Seems like two very different things.

    According to the Sagarin Simple measure, the ACC is the best conference. However, I do agree that we don’t have the most top teams.

  10. VaWolf82 01/16/2006 at 10:08 AM #

    The rankings are based on the average RPI. If you look at the numbers, you see that the Big 10 pretty much by itself…the ACC, BE, and SEC are all very close….then there is another dropoff to the MVC.

    In 2004, the ACC final average RPI was 0.6307 which is the highest value since 1999 and I seem to remember published reports that this was the highest conference RPI ever.

  11. VaWolf82 01/16/2006 at 10:11 AM #

    If you were talking about Ken’s blog thoughts….I assumed that he was talking about the average sports journalist or fan that only looks at how many teams a conference has ranked in the Top-XX of any poll or ranking system. The ACC doesn’t have many top teams (at present), but his point was that the ACC doesn’t have alot of “easy-outs” either.

  12. Mr. O 01/16/2006 at 10:31 AM #

    Vawolf: I was talking about Ken’s comments, not yours. 🙂

  13. class of '74 01/16/2006 at 10:54 AM #

    Regardless of who’s one, two or three in conference rankings #2 in the ACC will receive a very high seed and that’s really what we should be setting our sights on. There’s a lot of road ahead and no doubt some bumps along the way, but if we can attain that level of success then the regular season will have been a very good one indeed!

  14. VaWolf82 01/16/2006 at 11:45 AM #

    Here’s an example that makes the ACC look bad. Using the RPI Top-20, here’s a quck breakdown of the teams by conference

    Big 10
    3—-Wisconsin
    4—-Illinois
    8—-Michigan St.
    10—Iowa
    17—Indiana

    Big East
    5—-Villanova
    6—-Pittsburgh
    14—Syracuse
    15—Cincinnati

    SEC
    9—-Florida
    11—Tennessee

    PAC 10
    12—UCLA
    16—Arizona

    ACC
    1—-Duke

  15. SaccoV 01/16/2006 at 2:02 PM #

    It’s quit funny that Florida (even though undefeated) has a #9 in the RPI when their strength of schedule is 181, 25 places worse than ours at 156. Again, the ratings system is really meaningless until the end of the season, which really belies their use at this point.

  16. VaWolf82 01/16/2006 at 2:26 PM #

    According to kenpom.com, UF’s SOS ranks 86. Where did you get 181?

    State has played 8 games against teams ranked 201+. No other team in the top-30 has played more than six.

    http://www.kenpom.com/rpi.php?y=2006

  17. Waxhaw 01/18/2006 at 10:44 AM #

    According to collegerpi.com , the NCAA seedings more closely follow the polls (over the RPI) for teams that are ranked. If we finish second in the ACC we will likely still be ranked in the top 15 or so. I’d be shocked if we didn’t get a top 4 seed. Of course, our RPI would probably be in the mid to high 20’s so the whole picture would point to a pretty good seeding.

    All of that is a big if. We’ve started strong before. Hopefully we will keep the pressure on and continue to play well.

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