Quote: UNC BBall Standards

General NCS Basketball Quotes of Note16

“This is North Carolina Basketball – high standards yield high expectations…they never reconfigure when it comes to the expectation to win”

November 4, 2005
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General NCS Basketball Quotes of Note

16 Responses to Quote: UNC BBall Standards

  1. ronald w. 01/08/2006 at 8:44 AM #

    This is true. Dean Smith’s teams had 33 straight top three finishes in the ACC . This includes years that were dubbed “rebuilding years” by those in the press. The Matt Doherty era was a slight disappointment but it was short lived. Roy Williams is a great coach and will be just as successful at UNC as he was at Kansas.

    In short, I have never had to endure a decade or more of college hoops mediocrity as a Tarheel fan. Consistency is the key. UNC may not win a national championship every year, but they have always been in the hunt for one as far back as I can remember.

  2. Jeff 01/08/2006 at 8:46 AM #

    ^ And, it is all about perspective.

    You think “consistency” is “being in the (legitimate) hunt for a national championship”.

    Lee Fowler, Herb Sendek, and crew think that “being consistent” is all about squeaking into the NCAA Tournament.

  3. VaWolf82 01/08/2006 at 9:03 AM #

    There is just a little spin in the UNC’s fans perspective. The stat used to be top two in the regular season, until Dean finished third one year….and the stat was quickly changed. There were any number of years in that stretch where UNC was not in serious contention for the national championship.

    However, his main point is correct. Losing is not tolerated in Chapel Hill.

  4. SaccoV 01/08/2006 at 12:13 PM #

    We could always just counteract any statement about Dean when you mention K’s three titles to Dean’s two. Anyways, I’m glad this UNC fan posted because I had a discussion with a rabid Tarheel fan about his perception of State. And his answer was actually exactly where our discussions on these and other sites have been. Our program is in limbo–we’re not good but we’re not bad. Funny how the Carolina fans see things so “differently” than we do!!!

  5. PACDADDY 01/09/2006 at 12:14 AM #

    “we’re not good but we’re not bad”

    Yea…those pesky final 25 polls disagree…oh well…thankfully the actual humans that vote in those things do see things “differently”

    Jeff…give him just 2 more seasons then decide if Fowler doesn’t really care about “consistency”…maybe…just maybe…he knows a little more about our situation than you and others do…just a guess.

    Or…maybe he doesn’t have a clue…we’ll know real soon. I think last season we competed…Right? If we do it again this year, that will be 2 in a row. Of course…we actually have to wait and see what happens.

  6. Class of '74 01/09/2006 at 7:44 AM #

    As long as we have the “Gene Keady” of the ACC as our leader we will be consistent. Consistently 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th in the ACC for the next 15 to 20 years. Not really great and not really bad just enough to get that gold watch from Lee in 20 some years. Who knows maybe they’ll go out together?

  7. Mr. O 01/09/2006 at 8:01 AM #

    UNC had to play as well as they can possibly play to beat us on their homecourt when we didn’t play all that well IMO.

    No #3 Villanova last at home.
    No #6 Illinios lost.
    Top 10 Mich St lost.
    No #12 Maryland lost.
    Top 15 BC lost.

    All of these teams lost to unranked teams. Yes, they all lost to unranked teams.

    Losses happen in college basketball. There isn’t a need to indict our program, AD and basketball coach over this loss.

  8. Mr. O 01/09/2006 at 8:04 AM #

    How did that happen?

  9. Mr. O 01/09/2006 at 8:08 AM #

    15 of the top 25 teams lost this week. 11 of the top 15 lost a game last week.

    That is 73% of the top 15 lost a game. Most were to unranked teams.

  10. Jeff 01/09/2006 at 9:02 AM #

    If you can succeed in boiling comparisons of NC State to those programs down to a one weekend situation, then more power to you.

    But, that is not the point.

    All of those programs that you referenced have found some level of success in the recent past (or expect it in the near future) to ease their pain when they do lose games (which is normal). What exactly do we hang our hat on? Is it that assurance that we know that we are going to be successful because we have been so successful? LOL!!!

    “Losses happen in college basketball” Undoubtedly.

    Unfortunately, the issue is NOT that ‘losses happen to NC State’…the issue is that ‘losses happen to NC State at a significantly higher rate than all of the other programs when competing with anything resembling good competition’.

    EVERY ONE of those teams that you mentioned have at least one win against a team stronger than any of our wins.

    Of course teams lose individual games. The problem isn’t losing individual games…the problem is losing a series of individual games that lead one to easy conclusions:

    State is 0-2 against the only two teams currently rated better than #77 in the RPI this year.

    State is 1-2 vs the only two teams currently rated better than #129 in the RPI this year.

    It is not that we lost A GAME against a good team (rival) this weekend — it is that we lost ANOTHER in a decade long series of games against decent teams (and our rivals). This is the best team we’ve had in a decade…and we are 0-2 vs teams ranked better than #77 in the RPI.

    THIS RECORD against good teams is completely UNACCEPTABLE.

    THAT is the problem. Not “one loss because losses happen”.

    Losses most definitely happen. Unfortunately at NC State…WINS against good teams DON’T HAPPEN.

  11. Rick 01/09/2006 at 9:13 AM #

    “UNC had to play as well as they can possibly play to beat us on their homecourt when we didn’t play all that well IMO.”
    This is an oft heard comment after we lose. I wonder how many times people can type it before realizing something…

    As for losgin to UNC, they lost their TOP & players. If we cannot beat them now when can we? They will not get any easier ot beat than this year. Just ask Fowler.

  12. Class of '74 01/09/2006 at 9:25 AM #

    Rick has it correct, if not now when? We had experience, talent and momentum going for us. They had Roy. So next year they will have Roy and the talent advantage if you believe all the experts so I ask: if not now when?

  13. Mr. O 01/09/2006 at 9:55 AM #

    If we our entire season was made up of 2 games per year, then games against UNC would be absolutely critical. Too much can happen in any one game to get upset over it with the season being 30 games.

    What matters is our overall ACC record and our tournament performance. The season is a long, long way from over.

  14. Class of '74 01/09/2006 at 10:42 AM #

    Mr. O you’re correct the season isn’t over but I’ve seen enough to know how this story will end. God knows we have lost to UNC many many times but really do you honestly feel we did a good job on saturday? I certainly don’t and I think we are in for another in a long line of disappointing seasons. Disappointing in that when your major rival is down you can’t take advantage.
    Disappointing in that I don’t expect us to challenge for the ACC regular season “title” in a down year for the conference and one that supposedly is a good year for us.
    This year is our best chance for success since Herb’s arrival and I see it slipping away.

  15. VaWolf82 01/09/2006 at 10:51 AM #

    What matters is our overall ACC record and our tournament performance. The season is a long, long way from over.

    This is true, regardless of how any one game turns out in January. However, Sat’s game was against UNC and that tends to get the emotions flowing. However, State is now 0-2 against the RPI Top-50, with very few bright spots in either game. This is a trend that needs to be broken immediately.

    State gets another chance Tues night against a good, but vulnerable opponent. I haven’t seen either team play this year, but I was still surprised at Sun night’s match-up between BC and GT. GT is not as bad as I thought and it looks like BC isn’t as good.

  16. WolfInVolCountry 03/16/2006 at 9:47 PM #

    If this was Case’s, Sloan’s or Valvano’s era, the unending losses to UNC would have never been tolerated. During those years, Duke was essentially an afterthought. A comparable record then that equates to our deplorable performance against them now would have meant the axe in five years and no more.

    What has changed so much, that our AD, the WPC and others would tolerate this type of performance? Were the trumped up charges of V’s time and the caretaker/ineptitude of Les so devistating that Herb’s successes positively glow in comparison?

    Many of us in this blog are not timid or confused about our situation, but others seem gun-shy about trying to return us to greatness.

    Help me understand that mentality.

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