5 Reasons State Can Beat Duke

I don’t care much for Dave Glenn, but you shouldn’t miss his piece on tonight’s State-Duke matchup. Here’s a sample:

Defensive Matchups — If you face Duke without one defender who’s quick and/or savvy enough to stay with Redick outside, and another who’s strong enough to battle Williams inside, you’re probably going to end up looking like Mike Tyson against Buster Douglas: scared, confused and beaten, then crawling around searching the floor for your mouthpiece.

Glenn doesn’t label it this way, but here is one of State’s biggest challenges tonight:

The most common way to beat Duke’s infamous, often-suffocating, man-to-man defense is with dribble penetration. (Again, see Virginia Tech.) That’s not necessarily a great strength of this year’s State team, but one other way to make the Blue Devils pay for their aggressiveness in the passing lanes is to beat them with back-door, Princeton-type passes.

The “back-door” approach has won, but not very often. But then again, Duke doesn’t lose many games, even in a “down”year. (In case you haven’t noticed, this isn’t a down year for Duke.) Along with the obvious points of keeping Reddick and Williams in check along with keeping Big Ced out of foul trouble, State needs some dribble penetration to supplement its normal offense.

If a player can beat the Duke defender with the dribble and attack the basket, good things should happen for State. If State allows the defensive pressure to back them up near the half-court line and then throw a lazy or telegraphed pass towards the top of the key, I will be left screaming at the TV set yet again. We’ve seen the tendencies of the two teams in general and in head-to-head matchups over the last several years. State definitely has a chance to win, but it will take their best basketball game of the year to do it.

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18 Responses to 5 Reasons State Can Beat Duke

  1. BJD95 01/18/2006 at 9:43 AM #

    I think we could take them 3 times out of 10 at home – but in Cameron? I just don’t see it.

    We don’t play enough guys to absorb all the fouls you must take to defend Duke aggressively (again, especially in Cameron). And if you don’t defend Duke aggressively, they will bury you.

  2. class of '74 01/18/2006 at 10:21 AM #

    What was true back in 1985 holds true today regarding Duke’s defense. If you have a matchup where you can take them off the dribble with penetration then you expose Duke’s help defense. Spudd Webb could do it, can Gavin Grant or Cam Bennerman? I guess tonight we will find out.

  3. VaWolf82 01/18/2006 at 10:25 AM #

    State is a huge underdog…there is no reason to sugar-coat that. As far as the significance of the game…..there are no championships won or lost in January.

    A win (even though it is unlikely) would make a major statement about State’s program…as long as they continue to build on the win. This game, in and of itself, has no more importance than the GT game last Sat. Considering that no one considers State…or any other ACC team…as a thread to Duke this year could actually be used to minimize the importance of the game tonight.

    The last time that State beat Duke was in 2004. State finished second in the regular season standings in the nation’s highest rated conference…a good year by any definition. That year ended with horrible collapses against Maryland in the ACCT and against Vandy in the NCAAT. Hopefully, this season will be about games won in post-season play, not just in the regular season.

  4. Waxhaw 01/18/2006 at 10:35 AM #

    The problem with dribble penetration is the charge. The refs get caught up in the heralded “Duke defense” and let their guys slide in late to take phantom charges. That along with hand checking and illegal screens is probably the three biggest areas that Duke is GIVEN an advantage.

    Even so, we have nothing to lose. If we can overcome 2-3 inevitable Duke runs, somehow score 80 points and have the BS calls spread around amongst everyone not just Big Ced, we just might pull it off.

  5. choppack 01/18/2006 at 10:52 AM #

    Some keys for tonight:
    1) I’m hoping to see less Dockery and more Paulus. I think we can do a good job Paulus, Dockery will give us fits. He’ll handcheck his man mercilessly and it won’t be called. I think we match-up better w/ this team than we do UNC-Ch or GaTech – both of whom are more athletic.
    2) Ced needs to get at least 30 minutes. This is very unlikely…I’m expecting the first call against him to be the jump ball.
    3) Bully factor – Duke is a team that plays better when you’re scared and if they’ve got a cushion. When they do this, their D becomes ultra-aggressive – and everything seems to feed on this. If we’re w/in 5 points at the 5 minute mark, I like our chances. If you’re close in the second half, Coach K slows it down, and when Duke does this, their offense and defense isn’t nearly as effective.
    4) Our D- Our D vs. UNC-Ch and GaTech was horrid. We can’t play D at this level and expect to win. IMHO, Duke has 3 main offensive weapons – Redick, Williams and McRoberts – if we can negate 2 of these guys and avoid a special night from Paulus, Dockery or Melchionni, I really like our chances.

  6. Jim 01/18/2006 at 10:59 AM #

    Does anyone remember Rodney’s freshman year over at Cameron when he had an open breakaway and stopped behind the 3 line and drilled it? Hilarious. That was during the Louisville campout that year.

  7. lumberpack 01/18/2006 at 11:07 AM #

    The officiating is key, if it is fair we have a chance

  8. Sammy Kent 01/18/2006 at 11:52 AM #

    [quote]The most common way to beat Duke’s infamous, often-suffocating, man-to-man defense is with dribble penetration. (Again, see Virginia Tech.)[quote]

    That may be most common, but the BEST way to beat Dook’s infamous, often suffocating, man-to-man defense is to beat it downcourt and not let it set up. (See Virginia Tech, especially in the last three minutes. 16 fast break points they had that game.) You can’t play halfcourt against Dook all night and hope to win. You just can’t. You’ve got to get some fast-break, easy baskets either from steals or outlet passes. If we don’t try to push the tempo and aggressively attack the basket, get ready for another Iowa type performance and a 20+ point loss. Glenn is correct that we have to make Dook pay for their aggressive defense, but that goes for transition as well as in the halfcourt.

    [quote]Good Guards — Bethel and Atsur certainly aren’t going to make anyone in Raleigh forget about Chris Corchiani and Rodney Monroe, but they’re both smart, efficient, two-way players who aren’t rattled by physical defense or hostile environments.[quote]

    Actually, Atsur is very susceptible to getting rattled and hesitant against hard pressure. He needs to keep his poise, otherwise he’ll turn the ball over more than a little bit. Glenn left out Cameron Bennerman, who is the one player more than any other that does all the little things that help you win.

    The biggest reason State can beat Dook is totally overlooked by Glenn, and that’s the OFFENSIVE presence of Cedric Simmons. He gave Ced his props on D, and rightly so. But it is the legitimate threat of post scoring that opens up every other avenue for this team. Of course, maybe Glenn already knows that Ced will be on the bench most of the game because Coach Kuss will have his three best men suited up tonight (Mssrs. Rose, Valentine, and Edsal). Or maybe he figures Williams will simply overpower him. Or maybe he figures Herb will do Dook the same favor he did Carolina at the end of that game and keep Ced out at the arc. This is one of the biggest key points of the game: If we haven’t been training and preparing Cedric Simmons to do straight up battle with the Sheldon Williamses of the world, what the bluejohnhell good is it?

  9. choppack 01/18/2006 at 12:21 PM #

    “The officiating is key, if it is fair we have a chance.”

    Amen, but we know going into this game that it won’t be.

  10. VaWolf82 01/18/2006 at 1:07 PM #

    but the BEST way to beat Dook’s infamous, often suffocating, man-to-man defense is to beat it downcourt and not let it set up.

    How many times has State dominated the boards such that we have a lot of fast break opportunities? I think that State is more likely to win with back-door cuts than relying on transition baskets.

    The biggest reason State can beat Dook is totally overlooked by Glenn, and that’s the OFFENSIVE presence of Cedric Simmons.

    In my dreams, Sheldon Williams is the one that gets in foul trouble try to cover Simmons. I know!….I know!….just let me dream for a few more hours.

  11. Fish 01/18/2006 at 1:57 PM #

    Just do not see us winning this one. Typical get run out of the gym night. Duke by 15 or more.

  12. choppack 01/18/2006 at 1:58 PM #

    Va Wolf – We match up well w/ Duke on the boards, IMHO. Hopefully, Ilian can keep McRoberts off the glass.

    And Ced, has incredible hands – that Key rebound he grabbed between the 2 Tech players was fantastic.

  13. TVP 01/18/2006 at 3:05 PM #

    Duke is a very poor rebounding team (the only thing they don’t do well really). While we aren’t a great offensive rebounding team, we do a decent job on the defensive glass. Hopefully there will be opportunities to run. Frankly, a lot of it is going to depend on what Duke brings to the table – if they are on their A game, I don’t think we can win.

    Making my second trip to Cameron tonight and praying for the best!

  14. Mr. O 01/18/2006 at 3:32 PM #

    This is Duke’s biggest game in a while. Coach K has been playing mind tricks all week. He is going to have his team really, really pumped. Personally, I don’t think we will be able to match their intensity combined with the intensity of the crowd. I think we get blown out and we have another fan meltdown until the Wake game this weekend. I think Duke puts it out of reach in the 1st half and we hold it somewhere around 20 the rest of the way.

    Regardless of the result of this game, I think we could beat them a 2nd time around in the ACC tournament.

  15. class of '74 01/18/2006 at 4:08 PM #

    ^You may be right about a blowout as they have blown us away in the past but this Wolfpack team isn’t like recent Wolfpack squads. I hope the experience factor will help us keep it close and in a close game who knows maybe a miracle. I’m just psyched to be able to go over to Duke Indoor and see another game tonight. It’s nice to have friends sometimes, even if they are Dookies.

  16. JeremyHyatt 01/18/2006 at 4:52 PM #

    From VaWolf: “In my dreams, Sheldon Williams is the one that gets in foul trouble try to cover Simmons. I know!….I know!….just let me dream for a few more hours.”

    “As real as it may seeeem, it was only in my dreeeeams.” Thank you Tiffany.

    I was thinking that also. I think what a lot of you are commenting on is the factor in which really good teams which get a lot of respect, have a tendency to get away with “slimey” cheater-like, pushy play, where they aren’t really doing anything illegal, but they kind of are… getcho hand off my hip! i ain’t ya girlfriend”. maybe this is why Scooter Sherril called Redick “gay” a couple years back but apologized in the media. if they don’t nip the hand-checking and aggressive,pushy defense early, we must match that intensity, and if called for it have Herb get himself a technical to dispute these calls to represent all us folks having conniption fits at home. I think a technical in that scenerio would earn him much respect from *cough* the nc state fan base which many within call him emotionless/fireless. come on Herby, take a Tech! pawn takes queen.

    One heartbeat! go pack!

  17. Mr. O 01/18/2006 at 5:10 PM #

    Class of 74′: Have a great time tonight. I wish that was me.

  18. VaWolf82 01/18/2006 at 5:43 PM #

    “As real as it may seeeem, it was only in my dreeeeams.� Thank you Tiffany.

    That’s just so wrong.

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