Bowl Updates


During our various bowl analyses last week, we stated (on Tuesday):

“The Emerald Bowl in also rolls into the ACC’s rotation next year and would be an obvious fit based on conference relationships. It is being speculated that an ACC team might match-up with Utah in San Francisco.”

On Sunday, our speculation became reality when the Emerald Bowl formalized the fact that the ACC will supply a team to battle Utah. Despite State’s low finish in the ACC, various scenarios DO exist that might send State to the Mieneke Car Care Bowl in Charlotte which is generally considered the destination of choice for the program.

Sunday – 9:30 PM Update:
More of our previously discussed projections are starting to become reality. Fansblog turns our attention to the following:

620 WDEA in Tampa is reporting that the Gator Bowl will issue official invitations to Miami and Louisville tomorrow.

There remains a lot of cloudiness around the Peach Bowl’s potential match-up as attention may be turning away from a South Carolina (Spurrier) vs Florida State (Bowden) game and perhaps to a Georgia vs Clemson game.

The ultimate selections of the Peach and the Champs Sports Bowl will play the key roles in NC State’s bowl fate. If Clemson is snapped up by the Peach or the Champs, then the Wolfpack is an almost a certain lock to play in the Mieneke Car Care Bowl in Charlotte, which represents the most attractive option imagineable for the Wolfpack.

Monday – 8:45 AM Update:
Since most people are morons, I choose not to pay much attention to most “Bowl Projections” until I have a reason.

But, there are some sources that I trust more than others because of various reasons. As much as I don’t really like Tommy Barnhart most of the time, there is no denying his deep connections to various football contacts in the South. This is important because there are a lot of things that he knows/hears on the inside that he can’t/won’t explicitly share…but he can include in things like his bowl projections this morning.

Barnhart projects the following for the ACC’s Bowls:

Dec. 27 Champs Sports ACC vs. Big 12 Florida State vs. Colorado

Dec. 28 MPC Computers WAC vs. ACC Boise State vs. Boston College

Dec. 29 Emerald MWC vs. Pac-10 Utah* vs. Virginia

Dec. 30 Chick-fil-A Peach ACC vs. SEC Clemson vs. Georgia

Dec. 31 Meineke Car Care ACC vs. Big East N.C. State vs. South Florida

Jan. 2 Gator ACC vs. Big East Miami vs. Louisville

With Barnhart’s proximity in Atlanta and his connections to the Peach Bowl, Georgia Tech, and UGA (key players in the Wolfpack’s bowl fate), I’ve got no reason to think that he is just making up uneducated projections.

Monday – 4:30 PM Update:
Additionally, Sports Illustrated‘s Stewart Mandel’s projections look pretty consistent with Barnhart’s and seem to make good sense to me as long as we get through the weekend without any big upsets.

Tuesday- 8:30 AM Update:
No surprise in the news this morning – almost the entire conference will be waiting until the ACC Championship game is completed before all of the dominos fall. Lots of variables remain for the Wolfpack, and we’ve highlighted most of them in this entry and amongst the super comments included below from readers.

* Charlotte has made what we already knew publicly clear – they want Clemson, followed by NC State to probably battle South Florida (with an outside chance of UConn).

* The N&O shared the public statement that NC State is still an option for the Music City Bowl. This scenario would only happen if the Champs Sports chose Georgia Tech, leaving Clemson for Charlotte and Boston College for Boise.

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20 Responses to Bowl Updates

  1. Alpha Wolf 11/27/2005 at 9:25 PM #

    The best possible situation for NC State and its fans is obviously Charlotte, but as you said, it would appear that Clemson, with its huge roving fanbase, would be the choice of the folks down there.

    Second choice would be Nashville, and that seems to be more of a possibility than Charlotte. Pack fans would be able to make the drive to the Music City in roughly 7-8 hours, which would seems to be roughly the same distance as the Gator.

    Then, the Nut Bowl. SF holds no recruiting or distance advantages, but it beats Boise. Anywhere but Boise.

  2. Trout 11/28/2005 at 9:08 AM #

    Interesting that the Peach now is seriously considering a UGA/Clemson matchup. Doesnt the SEC title game loser end up in the Citrus Bowl? (UGA plays LSU for the SEC title).

    I guess we pull for LSU to win that game. (which I find hard to do, since I’m also a UGA alum).

    My ticket predictions for our 3 bowl options:

    Boise: less than 2000
    Charlotte: 25k+
    Nashville: 15-20k

  3. BJD95 11/28/2005 at 10:34 AM #

    Wow, year after year of bitching about never getting to select Florida State, and the Peach might really pass on the Seminoles for the (almost always) available Clemson Tigers? Seems pretty freaking stupid to me.

  4. Class of '74 11/28/2005 at 10:58 AM #

    I hope th projection of Charlotte is correct. Boise would be a disaster on two fronts: a possible loss and no following. Can you imagine the negative p.r. that would result from this scenario!

  5. Jeff 11/28/2005 at 11:11 AM #

    It would be better for the ACC to create a situation where BC & GT (generally ‘better’ teams) get us some wins near the bottom of the pecking order and let State try to get us a win against a weak Big East team in Charlotte.

  6. Trout 11/28/2005 at 11:16 AM #

    I think Boise is something each ACC middle finish team must do to “take one for the league.” Clemson, UVA, GT have all taken one, and it will probably be NC State’s turn this year.

  7. Mike 11/28/2005 at 11:56 AM #

    I have heard Boise is beautiful and would love to go there sometime but I will not go to Boise for a bowl game. I cant stand watching the Smurfturf on TV and it has to be considerbaly worse in person.

    A weak Big Least team in Charlotte…..we cannot afford to take anyone lightly. USF beat the pants off Louisville, and could surprise us. Talk about trying to put a program on the map – beating an ACC team loaded with Florida kids in a bowl game.

    Anywhere we go, our defense should keep us in the game, but wiht the offense capable of putting up 40 yards and a single first down…….We might be happy to go to a bowl, but IMO Charlotte is a dangerous place to go. in the above scenario, where is GT?

  8. Class of '74 11/28/2005 at 12:12 PM #

    Mike, with our offense Meredith College could be a dangerous place. Thank god we have had the defense to make-up for our offensive shortfall.
    GT is Nashville bound if most of the current talk is correct.

  9. Jeff 11/28/2005 at 12:49 PM #

    “I think Boise is something each ACC middle finish team must do to “take one for the league.â€? Clemson, UVA, GT have all taken one, and it will probably be NC State’s turn this year.

    Trout, I totally agree with your theory of everyone having to “take one for the team”.

    But…just look at the bowls and ask yourself — what happens to Boston College?

    There is nowhere for BC to go. They played in Charlotte last year. They have to go somewhere. Instead of thinking about this from just Boise’s perspective…think of it from Charlotte’s perspective, too. The ACC office owes EACH bowl as good of a team as they can provide.

    Boise would MUCH rather have BC than NC State because of national ranking. (Neither team will travel there). Charlotte would obviously much rather have NC State than Boston College. Where else can BC go without screwing another deserving team?

  10. Class of '74 11/28/2005 at 1:12 PM #

    Good points. Besides with our proven 6-5 coach if we don’t go this year we will go in the next couple of years for sure.

  11. Jeff 11/28/2005 at 1:17 PM #

    Probably right…in the future it looks like the Bowl in Charlotte will have the ACC’s 6th pick.

    The 6th best overall record in the league this year was 7-4 and then 2 teams at 6-5 (State & UVa)

  12. Trout 11/28/2005 at 1:19 PM #

    ^ Jeff. Agree. I guess I’d rather get Boise “out of the way” in this disappointing season than possibly be there during a better 7-4 or even 8-3 season.

    I’m actually hoping for Nashville. What a great town.

  13. Trout 11/28/2005 at 1:33 PM #

    So the question that needs to be asked is: just how serious is the Peach Bowl about taking Clemson? Clemson controls our fate, it seems.

    They go to the Peach, we are in Charlotte.

    They go to Charlotte, we end up in Boise, most likely.

  14. Jeff 11/28/2005 at 3:25 PM #

    That is correct. I think that UGA’s availability to match up with Clemson in the Peach is also key. That match up is appealing to them.

    On Saturday, we need FSU to lose for sure. A UGA loss does nothing but help.

  15. Rick Jernigan 11/28/2005 at 3:35 PM #

    Florida State seems to be very important in how everything shakes out. If they somehow beat VPI and go to the BCS, I would think Miami to the Gator and maybe the Peach jumps all over VPI. This scenario would likely lead us to Boise. If VPI beats FSU, and for good measure, puts a real beating on them, I’m not sure FSU isn’t the least attractive of all 8 bowl eligible ACC teams. Could they fall all the way to the Champs or Boise Bowl?

  16. Jeff 11/28/2005 at 3:45 PM #

    ^ You have nailed it. FSU to the Champs Sports makes everyone happy and will probably send State to Charlotte. An FSU upset will send VPI to the Peach and then the jockeying will probaly send BC to the Champs, which will send Clemson to Charlotte.

  17. TVP 11/28/2005 at 7:43 PM #

    So say that, for whatever reason, by the time Boise gets around to pick their options are us, GT, and UVa. Why wouldn’t they choose GT instead of us in that scenario, sending us to Nashville? Given that no one will travel anyway, GT is a borderline top 25 team and has a better record.

  18. Jeff 11/28/2005 at 8:16 PM #

    GT played in Boise 2 years ago…so, they have done their tour of duty very recently. Word is that they have already told Boise that they would decline an invite to their bowl.

    Additionally, the Music City Bowl is considered a better bowl than Boise. (next year, the Music City is around #5 in the ACC pecking order and Boise is #8). As was pointed out, GT is a better team than deserves to go to Boise…so, the ACC & GT have already worked to match GT to Music City.

  19. Eddie 11/28/2005 at 10:20 PM #

    “Where else can BC go without screwing another deserving team?”

    They could try having some fans that would follow them to a bowl for a start. Then they wouldn’t have this problem.

    Sorry, but that’s how it is. Yet another reason I didn’t want BC in the ACC.
    Boston is a pro sports town.

  20. JOhn C 11/28/2005 at 10:56 PM #

    I’m here in the SF Bay area, class of 1993. Keeping my fingers crossed that I will be able to take BART from East Bay over to Pac Bell park at 1:30pm for the Emeral Bowl.
    I see, foxsports, and cbssportsline all have the REAL Wolfpack (Forget Nevada Reno!) coming out West!

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