Hold the presses: NCAA and UNC agree

UNC has released a statement about the NCAA investigation into the alleged UNC academic problems. 

With the NCAA enforcement staff, our internal working group of University Counsel Leslie Strohm, Senior Associate Dean Jonathan Hartlyn, and former faculty athletics representative Jack Evans interviewed faculty and staff in the Department of African and Afro-American Studies, academic support counselors, and student-athletes who had taken multiple courses in the department.

Based on the joint review, UNC and the NCAA staff concluded there were no violations of current NCAA rules or student-athlete eligibility issues related to courses in African and Afro-American Studies. As a result, the NCAA did not add any allegations or include this issue during the University’s appearance in October 2011 before the Committee on Infractions.


On Aug. 23, 2012, University Counsel Leslie Strohm and Senior Associate Dean Jonathan Hartlyn provided an update to the enforcement staff. The NCAA staff reaffirmed to University officials that no NCAA rules appeared to have been broken.

Of all the responses I expected, that was the probably the last one and, frankly, I am not sure what to say about it. I did happen to see some interesting tweets about it though.

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken
So UNC has years of documented, institutionalized academic fraud and no NCAA rules were broken? Got it.

Jay Bilas ‏@JayBilas
And NCAA wonders why it’s a laughingstock?: http://bit.ly/O1bzUF Cue NCAA Prez to lecture on integrity, and who’s “in charge.”

Gregg Doyel ‏@GreggDoyelCBS
I went to McDonald’s this morning, then read the paper. Am now nine credit hours closer to a UNC degree

CBSSports.com ‏@CBSSports
RT @GoodmanCBS: Still trying to grasp the fact that NCAA announced no violations broken in UNC’s academic scandal.

Stewart Mandel ‏@slmandel
Long story short on NCAA’s “conclusion.” UNC, unlike Penn St, didn’t make the evening news.

KilroyFSU ‏@KilroyFSU
A Boise State recruit sleeps on a couch, Boise is nailed. UNC uses fake classes to keep players eligible? Nothing to see here!

Devon Edwards ‏@Devon2012
What happened at UNC is infinitely more detrimental to everything the NCAA holds dear than criminal actions at Penn State. Not even close.

LRM Hijack:
The NCAA has essentially established a dangerous precedent that it operates outside the constraints of jurisdiction and due process (as with Penn State), while encouraging incentivizing its member institutions to set up a system that operates outside of acceptable academic standards for athletic gains (as with the Flagship).


We’re not wasting a lot of time on this mess today because we’re all getting ready for the game tonight, so for a variety of national reaction, check out @statefansnation.

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44 Responses to Hold the presses: NCAA and UNC agree

  1. Alpha Wolf 08/31/2012 at 12:59 PM #

    The logical conclusion here is that the NCAA doesn’t really care about a “student”-athlete’s education and that academic fraud is okey-dokey.

    I wonder, why in the hell even bother with APR? Why does the NCAA care about progress towards graduation when it doesn’t care how credits and grades are obtained?

  2. packbackr04 08/31/2012 at 1:00 PM #

    un-believable. when is someone going to mention this on the news and not in a tweet?

  3. Rick 08/31/2012 at 1:03 PM #

    And yet they will not let Purvis play.

  4. IrishPackFan 08/31/2012 at 1:03 PM #

    I have absolutely no inside information but this smells like shady-closed-door-dealings to me. What do ya want to bet an “agreement” was made during the NCAA’s visit to u*nc last year? They knew this shite would come up…Martin’s “review” is nothing but a PR spin at this juncture. Nothing to see here. Drink from the well and receive your free degree at your earliest convenience. Thanks for playing.

  5. Old MacDonald 08/31/2012 at 1:09 PM #

    It’s almost as if UNC-CH is trying to maximize its bad press. Seriously, why would UNC release such a parsed, ridiculous statement that also draws big national fire onto the NCAA? It’s gasoline on the fire. It will result in more media scrutiny and criticism going forward.

  6. old13 08/31/2012 at 1:10 PM #

    NCAA = U*NC-CHeat = Smokeandmirrors = shamforprofit!

  7. UpstateSCWolfpack 08/31/2012 at 1:12 PM #

    They have to protect their cash cows. I am not sure why I thought this would go down any different. What a fool I am.

  8. Pack Leader 08/31/2012 at 1:12 PM #

    More Disturbing than unbelievable…..

    Sad day for the NCAA

  9. packof81 08/31/2012 at 1:25 PM #

    The NCAA is crooked.

  10. Old MacDonald 08/31/2012 at 1:26 PM #

    I think a lot of people are misinterpreting this.

  11. OldWuf 08/31/2012 at 1:29 PM #

    UNX blatantly cheats and deprives student-athletes of a legitimate education and the NCAA can find nothing wrong? Sometimes I wonder why others even try to do the right thing. Obviously your status and money buy you preferential treatment. Reminds me a lot of some of my local silver spoon high school mates that went to UNX. Well, I guess we will just have to whip their cheatin’ lyin’ asses on the field/court.

  12. OldWolf76 08/31/2012 at 1:31 PM #

    In an unrelated story about releasing Peppers transcript: “Thorp did not comment on the lack of rigor in Peppers’ schedule, but said his main interest going forward is that ‘all of our students get the high quality educational experience they should expect at Carolina.’ ”

  13. TLeo 08/31/2012 at 1:38 PM #

    This is exactly why I have been saying all along (but hoping to be wrong)…….the ncaa has been literally paid off to ignore the blatant fraud and cheating over at crappy hole. There can be no other logical explanation and after all of the lies and fraud they have comitted so far, it is not far fetched at all to believe they would be willing to bribe person or persons at the ncaa to look the other way. The ncaa is a farce and every other school should take notice and do the exact same things and dare the ncaa to try and sanction them.

  14. Packster 08/31/2012 at 1:43 PM #

    I posted on here previously that no one really was interested in this but people here and that seems to be the case. Nothing has come of it and we have wasted a lot of time talking about our competition when we should be focusing on ourselves.

  15. PackerInRussia 08/31/2012 at 1:45 PM #

    ^Disappointing, but not surprising that they’d be results-only centered and not care how they got there considering it’s a giant bureaucracy. As long as they can file a piece of piper in the “OK” folder, that’s all that matters.

  16. PackerInRussia 08/31/2012 at 1:48 PM #

    This is easy to say as a fan and not someone with actual responsibility, but I’d be really tempted to allow Rodney Purvis to participate fully right now.

  17. bill.onthebeach 08/31/2012 at 1:49 PM #

    Just three questions, O Wise Ones, if you don’t mind…..

    First… Your honor…..I object to the “evidence” being presented as it is clearly “heresay”…. is not the NCAA capable of speaking to the matter in their own voice…. and if not, why not ??

    As important perhaps is this question ….

    “Is the University, any University for that matter, in the business of telling people what to think or is the University in the business of teaching people how to think and to encourage them to do so on their own, thereby reaching their own conclusions ??”


    Do I need to apologize for the fact that I, like most all of you guys too, was not trained at NCSU to blindly accept what others, especially those in suits, proclaim as ‘truth’ … especially when they are giving credit to someone else (heresay)?

  18. Sound Tech 08/31/2012 at 1:52 PM #

    I have to agree with you on this one. This is being released by UNC, not the NCAA.

  19. Rick 08/31/2012 at 1:52 PM #
  20. WuffDad 08/31/2012 at 1:53 PM #

    NCAA’s lesson to be learned: While most universities do not cheat, they should and are fools if they don’t start an institutionalized system today.

    And what was it twenty or so years ago about “while no rules were broken the INTENT was broken” it would seem that at least this applies. But no, that’s for everyone else.

    “Scoundrels in the community, Cheaters in the classroom, and Beneficiaries on the field.”

  21. TheWolfAbides 08/31/2012 at 2:03 PM #

    Agreed. This smells of PR-spin. But I think it’s backfiring on them based on the outrage I’m seeing on twitter…

  22. UpstateSCWolfpack 08/31/2012 at 2:32 PM #

    So they clearly cheated and nothing happens. Must be worse to break the spirit of the law and not the letter of the law.

  23. Rochester 08/31/2012 at 2:41 PM #

    So Connecticut gets bitch slapped out of the postseason a year ahead of time, causing several rats to flee the ship, and UNC gets a pat on the head. UConn’s crime: APR too low. If only they would have set up a network of fake classes to keep those GPA’s up and keep their pothead thugs on course to graduate.

  24. rlgray 08/31/2012 at 2:42 PM #

    The Mary Jo Kopeche Grand Jury is still in session it seems!

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