Seth Davis & SFN address NC State fans

Dear NC State fans,

Don’t you feel smarter and significantly more special being condescended to by a Duke graduate of the ilk of Seth Davis?

Now that you’ve seen the video once…go back and watch it again with some cynicism and a more discerning eye. Is it me, or does Seth’s comments of our history early in the video seem particularly contrived and even sarcastic?

You know…for such an irrelevant basketball program the media sure does like to talk A LOT about poor old NC State!?!?

I was actually working on a much longer and fact-based response to old Seth and his buddies in the drive-by media…but, I just can’t justify spending my time beating against the wall anymore. Many of my points will come out in future entries just as they have in past entries of the last fifteen years. But for now there is no reason to try to educate ‘first level’ thinkers with second and third level information and analysis.

It just doesn’t work. I don’t even think it can be done. Either one is equipped with the gift of critical thought and complex problem solving; or they have to have those skills fostered and nurtured through challenges and experiences. If one doesn’t innately possess an ability to analyze issues, then sitting in front of a television camera &/or writing about sports for a career ain’t the place to figure it out.

I look at it like this — we have a group of lawyers, engineers, statisticians, bankers and other professionals that make up the volunteer author team at SFN. As a hobby, we’ve been able to successfully build a ‘media presence’ competing against the good old mainstream media like Seth and others. Over the last few years we’ve been able to generate a decent amount of credibility and following; and we’ve generated well over 25 million pageviews since we launched. That’s pretty good. Pretty successful. And, pretty amazing for a bunch of hacks with no ‘formal’ training who just sit down in front of a keyboard.

So allow me to ask you professionals a question — conversely, could Seth Davis, Gary Parrish, Tim Brando, Mike Patrick or most any other of these national sports guys turn the table on you and so easily walk into your profession and claim such success with no real experience? Could one of these guys underwrite a loan? try a legal case? spec requirements for building? perform surgery? sell a medical device? treat a sick animal? run a business and meet payroll? obtain a consulting or M&A engagement from a Fortune 500 client? audit a firm or compile financial statements of a business?

Only in this weird world of the ‘media’ do people with so little real world analytical experience and professional credibility get to have their opinions ‘mean’ so much. It is that power that just adds to the disappointment that those with the loudest megaphones wouldn’t try harder to more deeply understand issues on which they opine. But, I digress.

The great news for all of us is that guys like Seth are going to very soon have the opportunity to put his money where his mouth is. Soon, Coach K will be retiring from his beloved Duke University and will ride into the sunset. So, it won’t be too long until we can all read and watch as Seth Davis beats the drum for the need for Duke to hire the great Herb Sendek as their next basketball coach!! That is, of course, unless The Great Sendek won’t have already been snapped up by some other top program out there.

Folks, the very reaction of either laughter or utter disbelieve experienced by EVERYONE who just read that previous statement is exactly why Herb Sendek isn’t the right Head Basketball Coach for any major college basketball program. If he were, don’t you think he would have landed some job better than crappy old NC State over his 18 year coaching career? Seth?

Something tells me that old Herbie will still be available for Duke or UNC or Kentucky or Florida or Michigan State or Texas or Kansas or Maryland or Louisville or Michigan or Syracuse or UConn or Ohio State or UCLA or Indiana or Notre Dame or dozens of other programs when their jobs become available. And, something tells me that not a single one of the programs who have ignored The Great Sendek for the last two decades will suddenly swoop in and choose to hire him.

Isn’t that weird? Not only did NC State provide Herb Sendek the platform to succeed and make over ten million dollars; but NC State retained Herb Sendek after an initial five year period when almost every other school in America would have fired him!! In the HUNDREDS of job changes over the last 15 years, no other top basketball program in the country has chosen to hire Herb Sendek; but they are immune from media criticism while the school that actually did give him a chance gets criticized!?

The thanks we got from Sendek was his CHOOSING to leave after his 10th season when he had very little experienced talent returning and a very weak incoming recruiting class. (What a ‘coincidence’?)

The thanks we continue to get from idiot sports writers is ridiculous criticism that fails to notice that NC State continues to be the most high profile job Herb Sendek has ever been offered. We get criticized for hiring him and keeping him 10 years. No other school gets criticized for NOT HIRING him!

The contradictions in the media’s ‘thought’ processes are dumbfounding. NC State is an awful job that can’t expect to get a great coach; yet, we supposedly had a fantastic coach in Herb Sendek. Get it?

NC State is an awful job that can’t expect to be successful on par with many other programs; yet Herb Sendek was able to find supposed success at NC State for a five year period that he has not been able to replicate at either of his other two coaching stops. That’s odd. Did he have success at State or not? Can State have success or not? Was it Sendek? or was it NC State? Considering that FOUR other NC State Head Basketball Coaches have managed to win a total of 10 ACC Championships in the 43 years before Sendek arrived (more than every school in the ACC except UNC-CH…including Duke)…I ask the same question again — was it Sendek (who never won a title in 10 years)…or was it NC State?

Last one — Herb Sendek is a fantastic coach that NC State should have been very pleased to have; yet, the only other job that Herb Sendek has been able to secure in the open market over the last 18 years is at one of the perpetually worst 20 programs in major college basketball conferences.

Don’t you understand the logic? The sports writers sure seem to! …which is exactly why they are sports writers.

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73 Responses to Seth Davis & SFN address NC State fans

  1. Rick 02/11/2011 at 10:51 AM #

    “But I wonder, with StatefansNation becoming such a popular source of information for many, if this is in the best interest of N.C. State ”

    Or are we popular because because we take on this type of issue?

  2. packof81 02/11/2011 at 11:20 AM #

    “It just sucks that they control the narrative of the inevitable coaching search.”

    Bingo. That’s why these clowns are paying such attention to such an irrelevant program. They’re doing their dead level best to discourage good coaching candidates. Heaven forbid that we might actually get somebody good right before K and Roy retire.

  3. tobaccordshow 02/11/2011 at 11:40 AM #

    Come on guys. Take the politics over to the boards.

  4. highstick 02/11/2011 at 11:40 AM #

    Keep in mind that sportswriters are voicing there opinions, just like much of the commentary of the news in the media. It’s purely OPINION, not fact!

    And you know the old saying about OPINIONS…the one that goes “OPINIONS are like ASSHOLES, everybody has one! And guess what, “Beth” Davis, and the like are ASSHOLES who have OPINIONS and none of their OPINIONS are based on FACTS!

  5. Packfan28 02/11/2011 at 11:43 AM #

    The same website just ran an article where they put Herb on the hot seat. So can he coach or can’t he? Or maybe he’s a good coach at NC State but a bad coach at ASU? I’m confused.

  6. triadwolf 02/11/2011 at 11:53 AM #

    It’s been beaten to death, but I feel the need to vent. Each year we got into the NCAA’s under Sendek we barely cleared the bubble and lost early minus riding the horse known as Julius Hodge. I am pretty confident that he would not have revisited the tournament had he stayed and coached us for the last 4.5 seasons. As soon as the tournament committee began really looking harder at strength of schedule and quality wins, it becomes clear that at least four of Sendeks previous five tournament visits would not have happened under the current standards. So how would that have projected out over the subsequent 5 seasons had he stayed? I’ll let you decide.

    As much as I get pissed about guys like Seth Davis continuously putting crap like this out, I do take comfort in knowing one thing. The right coach for NC State could give a rats ass about what those guys say and any coach that listens to that trash need not apply. So keep on putting this BS out there if it makes you feel better Seth, but I doubt that Debbie Yow, Archie Miller, Rick Barnes, Glenn Marshall, etc. will call you for your opinion on the pending coaching vacancy at NC State.

    Besides, what do they say – Any publicity is good publicity…

  7. wolfpacker 90 02/11/2011 at 11:53 AM #

    Isn’t Seth Davis a Duke Graduate? And besides, what player and coach has ever taken the advice of a sports reporter?? Bobby Knight???
    Let’s set the record straight, Yes, Duke and UNC are c basketball powers but so what? Does that really matter for the rest of the acc???
    Other programs in the conference are having moderate success while being traditional football schools: flo state, clemson, gtech, bc, v tech, miami, in going to ncaa’s, and on occasion beating duke or unc so the task is obtainable. Besides both Coach K and Roy Williams are close to if not in the twilight of their careers along with Gary Williams at Maryland(whom by the way broke the mod by winning a ncaa title in 2002). So the next hire has a chance to not only challenage and put a qulaity product that actually beats both unc and duke but could take the mattle as being the best team in the conference and bring acc bk dominace back to Raliegh. Even if that scenario does not work, what coach in the country would back down from a premier job in the acc conference and have such lush faclities as state has now along with a pool of money in terms of salary and tv exposure?? Even if no one ever cathces unc or duke after the coaching duo retires,there are still 9 other teams to feast on and success to be had, ask maryland for 2002?
    Seth Davis should take a better look and realize that Herb overacheived in his coaching ability and never understood what it meant to coach in the acc!! Rival games and road games and acc t titles are important, i mean it seems at times he was indiginat to the rivarly situation just like John Cooper at ohio state was in the 90’s in football.
    Our next hire needs to be a good-outstanding one and we will be on our way, if not, we could look for more of the same.

  8. Wulfpack 02/11/2011 at 11:54 AM #

    I guess my response is who really cares. This isn’t going to stop until we actually figure out how to win. We had a chance to make up some much needed ground on UNC, and Sid blew it. Not his fault – he’s just not equipped to be a college coach. But WE, as in NC State, blew it. That’s the bottom line. If Sid had kicked some tail and put us on par with our neighbors, this would not be an issue. But he hasn’t, and so we re-live this relentless cycle.

    We need a game changer in the worse way. I don’t know if we can attract that guy or not. Clearly, we are not the NCSU of old. Nobody goes to games anymore. Hell, no one even watches them on tv. We’re way off the radar.

  9. Wolfy__79 02/11/2011 at 11:55 AM #

    thanks SFN and even seth davis. this does not bother me at all! EVERY STORY HAS TWO SIDES… our side is represented here. for any candidate that subscribes to this, they don’t belong at NC STATE. they are weak.

    we’ve sufferend our own punishment.. we’ve gone down the hard road and yet we still remain a strong passionate fan base. why do you think TOB came to us! our crowd’s electricity blew the lid off the stadium and bc crumbled. compare that with our passion for nc state basketball… it’s a fraction.

    NC STATE is a sleeping giant! hole roy and coach k are very beatable! i loved it when coach k completely derailed roy the other night. if unx cannot run and gun… then no championship.. if duke gets beat up in the paint.. they cannot win championships. those are the keys to beating them EVERY YEAR. that doesn’t change.. to add you can even say that hole roy doesn’t really out smart the opposing coach/team.. k on the other hand, get’s his players to tactfully beat his opponents.. insert power presence down low and again he’s beatable.

    thanks but no thanks herb. he really shouldn’t be drug through what was five years ago.. this sarcasm from the media is an unconsious effort to wake the SLEEPING GIANT. the problem for them is, they don’t understand the consequences of spinning on nc state.

    i truly hoped, and continue to do so that sidney will lead us to where we point our middle our middle finger at these media “experts” and say there’s more of that where that came from. he nor herb are elite college coaches period. to me, why compare two unsuccessful coaches. we have given sidney a fair shot.. he can be compared to matt donuts at unc-ch.. that is a more credible idea to me. both recruited their tales off and both are not good hc’s. hell, throw herb into the mix.. how many times did he beat matt donuts or gutheridge?? not nearly enough.

    two simple numbers for me with herb.. his record vs blue boys and NO conference titles in 10 years at ncsu? any coach at nc state for ten years should at the very least win just 1 title! and have a goal to win one every year.. never once did i hear that out of his mouth!

  10. Mike 02/11/2011 at 12:00 PM #

    So by watching this video, did I add a “hit” to his tally? I sure hope not. For someone who does not swear, I am thinking I should start, and if I do, it will be with this clown. What a complete joke!

    For those saying SFN bringing this up is wrong – NO, THIS piece is exactly why we need to bring this up. Those saying this is wrong probably dont remember when NC State was relevant. You dont remember when the week of the UNX game was all the talk – Duke was a nobody. Yes they had good teams, but in terms of the rivalry, Duke was just another game. THE rivlary was NCSU/UNX.

    If SFN does not bring this up, NC State will continue to be irrelevant in the college basketball world. Like cooking a lobster, slowly but surely we allkow the media to kill us. Do top prospects want to come here and play? Maybe – but if we let pieces like this go, soon every prospect would say no way. Our last true success was before the kids now were born. HWSNBN 5 NCAA runs were not success and we were bubble teams in most of those. SFN – KEEP THE PRESSURE ON!!!

  11. LRM 02/11/2011 at 12:10 PM #

    I guess we can expect the same outcry from these folks when Georgia Tech fires Hewitt after this season. They have even less reason than us to expect to win against other ACC teams like Carolina and Duke.

    Hewitt has similar results in the ACC and 5 NCAATs, but also has a Final 4 during his tenure.

  12. Paramarine 02/11/2011 at 12:23 PM #

    I’m amazed that somone can be so smug, yet ignorant at the same time.

  13. swamppack 02/11/2011 at 12:34 PM #

    ^^That’s funny.

  14. oceanman 02/11/2011 at 1:03 PM #

    Forget Sendek for petes sake. Don’t pay these drive by media pukes any attention. NCSU has and always will be the goat of the local media which is populated with UNC journalism school grads. Until NCSU has its own jounalism school that will not change. These pukes are so arrogant to actually believe that people care what they think. But they are all only self proclaimmed experts. What have they done in their small lives to warrant anyone paying attention to what they think about anything. Pretend they do not exist because in the big schelme of things they don’t matter. If NCSU has one continuing problem, it is that the university’s PR program is weak and fails to make the public aware of everything the University does, the research that goes on there and the accomplishments of its graduates. Somebody once said that” Its a sorry dog that does not wag his won tail”.

  15. travelwolf 02/11/2011 at 1:28 PM #

    He seems to be making fun of our aspirations – to imply that we don’t belong among the elite basketball schools anymore. “Keep dreaming” was his last advice. Well, we will, and getting another Herb will just keep the dream alive for longer. But, we will never be satisfied to have another Herb. That’s what he doesn’t get.

  16. Pack84 02/11/2011 at 1:37 PM #

    I feel dumber for having watched that tripe. Seth Davis can go have sexual relations with himself.

  17. PackerInRussia 02/11/2011 at 1:46 PM #

    “Sports broadcasting is too much of a 1 way street. Diehard fans are smarter than announcers. Networks have to accept this.”

    Which is why they should be heavy on reporting and light on editorializing. It takes a prescient mind and a person who is very well-informed and thoughtful to make good editorial conclusions not based on facts discovered through investigation. Otherwise you just come off sounding like a moron. That could be said about journalists in general, though.

  18. PackerInRussia 02/11/2011 at 1:47 PM #

    “Hewitt has similar results in the ACC and 5 NCAATs, but also has a Final 4 during his tenure.”

    Yes, but were they consecutive? Apparently you get bonus points for that.

  19. PoppaJohn 02/11/2011 at 2:00 PM #

    Lock got it exactly right. Herb’s long gone, he’s happy about it, we’re happy about it, no one wants to reunite. Who cares if they think we hurt Sendek’s feelings??? Drop it! Quit taking the bait from these poorly informed hacks.

    I thought we were on the right track when we started only using the initials. Let’s drop the entire subject.

    What does it say about us when 5 years later Sendek is still one of the most discussed topics on this site? It would make some sense if he was fantastic, like that beautiful girl we used to go out with. But we hated him!!! He was the ugly girl we dumped! We’ll probably still be talking about him after ASU stops talking about him.

    PLEASE!!!

  20. highstick 02/11/2011 at 2:21 PM #

    I didn’t even click on the video. Your summary was all I needed.

  21. state73 02/11/2011 at 2:31 PM #

    we already know how easy it is to get a degree at unx. it must not be much harder to get one at duke if the idiot seth davis has one!!!

  22. Ed89 02/11/2011 at 2:50 PM #

    Truthfully, I didn’t think it was THAT bad…hell, it was some publicity, and he mentioned the “other” Tobacco Road team. At this point, if you interviewed 100 people, 99 couldn’t name NC State as the “other” Tobacco Road team.

    The comment about comparing Sendek’s last 5 NCAA appearances was off, though. Anyway, we better get it right with the next hire.

  23. projectwentynine 02/11/2011 at 3:03 PM #

    “Only in this weird world of the ‘media’ do people with so little real world analytical experience and professional credibility get to have their opinions ‘mean’ so much.”

    That and the world of politics, and to a lesser degree academia.

  24. Moose Hunter 02/11/2011 at 4:06 PM #

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t herb look seriously at Michigan and Pitt? And didn’t Lee Fowler push hard to keep ol’ Herb here? I remember some hubub over Herb and Pitt.

  25. runwiththepack 02/11/2011 at 4:10 PM #

    Lock, It’s not NCSU that can’t let go of Sendek, is it? NCSU doesn’t own the media, and it’s elements of the media that keeps it out there.

    Should we just not respond to these smears, and in so doing, acquiesce to their views? I totally disagree that we should ignore them, especially given that at least our local sports deejays are finally taking our side on this matter. We must express thanks to the local radio hosts if we wish them to continue.

    It appears to me that these TV jerks are actually having an effect, even if their views are easily show to be flawed. The question is: how do we make them look bad while at the same time acquit ourselves? “Don’t shoot the messenger” is part of the answer, even if that messenger is a slime-ball. I think we’re doing fairly well at it so far.

    What we don’t want to do is reply to the individuals or direct any unpleasant communication to, or about, those guys. Instead, address the public, which is the tact those guys are taking, even if it seems they talk directly to us at times.

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