Lorenzo Brown – Another One Bites the Dust

I apologize for not being more timely – I’ve been on vacation and out of the loop. But yes, what you may have heard is indeed true – Lorenzo Brown is headed to prep school and will not suit up for the 2009-10 Wolfpack squad. No matter how down the ACC may be, this is almost certainly a fatal blow for NC State’s already remote chance to contend for first division status.

Long-time readers will note that SFN commenter Noah has been hinting about possible issues with Brown ever since he committed to the Pack. Although we (and you) may fervently hope Noah is wrong, perhaps it’s time to stop expecting him to be so.

The obvious question now is “what happens next?” We can break that down into two parts – what should happen, and what to expect from the Lowe camp and his enablers.

On the should side of the ledger, nothing changes in the bar set, just the math regarding the likelihood of clearing it. Again, the fundamental key is distinguishing between fault and responsibility. While it is not Lowe’s fault that Lorenzo Brown’s grades fell short of what Georgia requires, in Season #4 the state of the program is Lowe’s absolute and unequivocal responsibility. The product on the floor must be something that NC State can be proud of. No excuses. Giving Lowe “credit” for recruiting rankings while giving him a pass when said recruits fail to qualify is the height of idiocy. But if you focus on bottom-line responsibility, it doesn’t matter. You can produce by bringing in great talent (ala Guy Lewis), or you can overachieve with lesser talent (ala Seth Greenberg). Either way, you have to produce. Lowe is not likely to produce with the current roster, but that’s on him. He is the coach and the general manager.

So, back to prong two. What should you expect? Well, for Team Lowe and its dwindling band of true believers, this is actually perfect. It gives you the perfect opportunity to intensify the pre-emptive excuse making. WTNY!!!!! Since almost every pundit will now expect State to finish 11th or 12th, they can (and will) shift the focus to beat “expectations” – despite the fact that expectations are so low because of the personnel Lowe has brought in and Lowe’s demonstrated coaching “acumen.” A career-best 9th place finish after four years gets you a pink slip from 95% of major D-1 programs, but the dead-enders would demand a contract extension instead. And since it isn’t possible to perform below expectations (i.e., you can’t fall off the floor), they will deem anyone not satisfied with 2009-10 results as delusional. Expect Fowler (if he’s still here) to break out the “lunatic fringe” term again.

More importantly, the status quo folks get to double down on blackmail. Lorenzo Brown and Ryan Harrow are both from the same recruiting pipeline, and will thus have access to the same set of talking points (that Harrow has already been testing out over the summer). Expect this to get a lot less subtle, and a lot more public – certainly no later than January 2010 (fun idea – run a pool for the date of the next public article with a qualifying Brown or Harrow quote). With Lowe’s tacit or explicit approval, these young men will declare that they are committed to Sidney Lowe, not NC State. This is certainly true of a certain individual deeply intertwined with their recruitment. And since recruits have not taken the court in a college game (and thus only have untapped potential for greatness, and no weaknesses in the eyes of many), some people will take this as a legitimate consideration. This is true despite what happened the last time NC State faced such a situation, which led to five years of basketball limbo – and that was with the best player in school history since the legendary David Thompson, not two Top 50 kids.

Feel free to shoot the messenger in the comments – but that’s simply how I see things shaking out. Things are ugly in West Raleigh, and about to get much, much uglier. Brace yourselves for the coming storm.

Projected 2009-2010 NC State Basketball Roster

Senior Class
(1) Dennis Horner (F)
(2) Farnold Degand (PG)

Junior Class
(3) Javi Gonzalez (PG)
(4) Tracy Smith (4F)

Sophomore Class
(5) Johnny Thomas (Wing)
(6) Julius Mays (PG/SG)
(7) CJ Williams (Wing)

Freshman Class
(8) Scott Wood (Wing)
(9) DeShawn Painter (PF/C)
(10) Richard Howell (PF)
(11) Josh Davis (WF)
(12) Jordan Vandenberg (C)

2010 Commits
(13) Lorenzo Brown (PG/SG)
(1) Departure of Dennis Horner – Ryan Harrow (PG)
(2) Departure of Farnold Degand – Previously CJ Leslie (PF/C)

2011 Commits
(3) Departure of Javi Gonzalez
(4) Departure of Tracy Smith

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1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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159 Responses to Lorenzo Brown – Another One Bites the Dust

  1. Dogbreath 07/12/2009 at 1:37 PM #

    “…This is true despite what happened the last time NC State faced such a situation, which led to five years of basketball limbo – and that was with the best player in school history since the legendary David Thompson, not two Top 50 kids.”

    You can’t possibly be suggesting that Julius Hodge was a better player than Hawkeye Whitney, Rod Monroe, Ronnie Shavlik, Vann Williford, Kenny Carr, Dick Dickey…among many others.

  2. sautz 07/12/2009 at 1:50 PM #

    With Hickson already playing for the Cavs, Atsur on his national team, and Ben (looking great), Fells, and Costner in the NBA summer league… that 2007-08 DFL season is looking worse and worse.
    I know Lowe had a big learning curve (even though he had coached more than 200 miserable NBA games) and “CHEMISTRY PROBLEMS WHICH NO COACH COULD EVER OVERCOME EVER” but I don’t see that pretty talented team as any worse than the crop coming in this year. We will likely end up at the bottom of the league yet again.
    I don’t know why people think Lowe can coach or what will disprove it to them. Maybe 3 years from now when Ryan the Messiah Harrow is a sophmore and we are still in the bottom 4th of the league more people will figure it out?

  3. Wulfpack 07/12/2009 at 2:07 PM #

    The only way to say it is that Lowe has underachieved at NC State. Whether or not it was or was not his fault in the past does not matter. As BJD rightly stated, “in Season #4 the state of the program is Lowe’s absolute and unequivocal responsibility.” Fail this year, and the blame is squarely on Lowe. You cannot rightly argue otherwise when so many other coaches do infinitely more with less.

    I am very skeptical about Lowe’s ability to turn this program around, and this bit of news does nothing to help our cause this year. It’s looking more and more like he may need a miracle.

  4. Dr. BadgerPack 07/12/2009 at 2:22 PM #

    suatz- while I get the gist of your argument, linking Atsur and Hickson is a wee bit of a reach. 🙂

    Well, other than to say “Hickson came to Raleigh after Atsur’s senior year.”

    Hopefully Lorenzo gets it together and ends up in Red and White after a year.

  5. McCallum 07/12/2009 at 2:27 PM #

    Lowe is taking one for the school he cares about. He should not have been offered the job for any number of reasons (lack of a degree, lack of college coaching experience, lack of a consistent philosophy on shaping and molding men, etc) but the search was flubbed and a sure out was to pick someone from the 1983 team.

    The AD is the problem here. Lowe will do the best he can.

    Vote with your feet.

    McCallum

  6. VaWolf82 07/12/2009 at 2:40 PM #

    Long-time readers will note that SFN commenter Noah has been hinting about possible issues with Brown ever since he committed to the Pack.

    Should I hold my breath waiting for those folks that owe noah an apology to speak up?

  7. 61Packer 07/12/2009 at 2:46 PM #

    Brown or no Brown next season, we’re going to suck. What is so freaking hard to understand here?

    The Lowe Expectations express rolls on…….

  8. nycfan 07/12/2009 at 3:18 PM #

    I think that TPTB in the State program have given some pretty strong indication that they have been planning for this possibility (including the info that CJ Williams is expected to play the 2 this season, as well as Fowler’s warning(?) recently that Brown was not yet qualified). Maybe seeing this coming also explains the pre-emptive WTNY comments from Fowler about the upcoming season discussed here several weeks ago.

    Assuming that this is not a last-second NCAA Clearinghouse SNAFU (and based on rumors it sounds like Brown did not actually graduate from his HS due to failure to satisfy GA requirements — something a summer school class was going to ameliorate(??)), then you have to think that Lowe and staff have been aware that Brown had significant issues for as long as they have been recruiting him, or at least for this season.

    I guess it is not all bad if Brown re-commits and comes in with Harrow next season, assuming he can get things squared away academically by then, but is the Harrow/Brown back court enough to render the upcoming season results irrelevant? Looking back at the Lowe/Fowler comments this summer, I guess that is the opening argument.

  9. tvp1 07/12/2009 at 3:26 PM #

    Allow me to slip into conspiracy-theorist mode for a moment.

    We’ve heard rumors about Brown’s qualifying (or lack thereof) status for a while now – true. Just like the rumors of CJL decommiting were true.

    We’ve ALSO seen rumors posted here and elsewhere that Brown was having second thoughts about his commitment.

    When the news broke about Brown not graduating, the party line “insiders” told us that everything was fine, no big deal, just an issue with the high school, he’d take a summer school class and everything would be roses, etc.

    This means one of three things happened:
    1) Something went wrong with the plan – either on Brown’s end or our end;
    2) The “insiders” didn’t know what they were talking about; or
    3) Brown doesn’t want to come here, and figured out a way out of his LOI – don’t graduate, go to Hargrave, and eventually reopen his recruitment.

    I’m leaning towards explanation (3). And then things get really, REALLY ugly.

  10. StateFans 07/12/2009 at 4:05 PM #

    Those are the same “insiders” who have amassed quite a string of recent ‘misses’.

    Expect the ‘good folks’ at NC State to go after Centennial HS with all sorts of criticism since we never make any mistakes – strategic or tactical.

  11. Noah 07/12/2009 at 4:17 PM #

    Should I hold my breath waiting for those folks that owe noah an apology to speak up?

    I hope no one wastes their time.

  12. charger17 07/12/2009 at 4:33 PM #

    I have agreed with BJD all along and this news changes nothing. It is absolutely INSANE to hold anything other than the correct opinion that Season #4 is completely Lowe’s responsibility.

    I’m only afraid that we seemed to have changed the benchmark to “something NC State can be proud of”. I hope and expect this still means, NCAA tourney bid or bye-bye. Even if Fowler is the real problem, going after the man while ignoring his body of work (i.e., Lowe holding the HC position) won’t get us anywhere. Fire Lowe as soon as the final horn sounds, and Fowler in the RBC parking lot.

  13. blpack 07/12/2009 at 5:25 PM #

    The hits just keep on coming. We are Duke football of the hardwood with better facilities. At some point we as a university will have to make a commitment to change/fix things. Things have to change with the AD first. No hoops coach wants to work for him, as was apparent after the last search.

  14. Alpha Wolf 07/12/2009 at 6:22 PM #

    Nothing ever seems to change, does it?

  15. Thinkpack17 07/12/2009 at 6:29 PM #

    “Long-time readers will note that SFN commenter Noah has been hinting about possible issues with Brown ever since he committed to the Pack.”

    No Disrespect to Noah…but I thought Lo Brown’s classroom troubles were common knowledge. I mean I have known about it for I while and I am by no means an “insider”. My best resource is a couple of Carolina friends that work at 850. I would have definately had to give him a +1 if Fowler or Lowe had been fired this summer. But that’s neither hear nor there. I said if he failed to qualify we would be boned…and we’re boned. I can’t find an upside to this. CJ Williams is looking strong at the NC central games and has improved by leaps and bounce since I saw him as a Sr. in Fayetteville, but unless he has Lance Armstrong’s lungs that means Farnold will log minutes at the 2. I can’t see an upside to that…especially since I never hear his name as one of the guys putting in extra work this summer.

  16. GAWolf 07/12/2009 at 7:41 PM #

    Just because I’ve been a State fan my entire life and I’ve learned to expect major disappointment and disaster as the norm, I see this unfolding that we ultimately lose both Brown and Harrow. If they both come next year, I don’t see this as being that enormous of a loss. I just fear the worst and that would be the Brown/Harrow package plays elsewhere. And that frickin’ sucks.

  17. bradleyb123 07/12/2009 at 8:22 PM #

    ^ “Giving Lowe “credit” for recruiting rankings while giving him a pass when said recruits fail to qualify is the height of idiocy.”

    Hard to believe. Sid had no control over this, yet it’s the height of idiocy to give him a pass on this, something he had no control over? That’s hardly something I would call idiocy.

  18. Alpha Wolf 07/12/2009 at 8:41 PM #

    Sid may have no control over what grades the kids make, but he does have control over recruiting kids that may or may not be college material.

    Brown will have to prep, and then we’ll see what happens. It’s about all we can do right now anyway.

  19. choppack1 07/12/2009 at 8:51 PM #

    Nice to know that there is no off-season for the tragedy that is NC State sports.

    It’s funny – When I read about the Brown situation, it was spun as “no problem at all, he’ll be here in July after knocking out this summer class.” I really do think that tvp1 may have a point.

    Another thing – can basketball players not enroll in the spring like football players?

    This is a huge loss for Lowe – and if Brown does decommit, you’ve got to think it could impact Harrow’s decision.

    nyc – nice recall on the CJ Williams article. When I read Lowe’s comments I was baffled – thinking, why is pigeon-holing CJ into the 2 spot the summer before the season starts…I guess we know why now.

  20. Greywolf 07/12/2009 at 9:27 PM #

    “…the best player in school history since the legendary David Thompson…”

    Dogbreath Says:
    July 12th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
    “You can’t possibly be suggesting that Julius Hodge was a better player than Hawkeye Whitney, Rod Monroe, Ronnie Shavlik, Vann Williford, Kenny Carr, Dick Dickey…among many others.”

    Ronnie Shavlik, (Sammy Ranzino, Vic Bubas, Warren Cartier, Mel Thompson,) Dick Dickey and many others came AFTER David Thompson.

  21. Noah 07/12/2009 at 10:01 PM #

    No Disrespect to Noah…but I thought Lo Brown’s classroom troubles were common knowledge. I mean I have known about it for I while and I am by no means an “insider”.

    Indeed. Anyone with the most basic grasp on English should have known that a) Brown was in trouble and b) that the Sunshine Sidney Squad was on the loose.

    I (and certainly others) asked repeatedly whether Brown was qualified. What was the answer? “He’s going to be fine.”

    Yeah, except that’s an answer to a DIFFERENT question. We didn’t ask that, we asked “Is he qualified?” and the honest answer was “no.”

    Lorenzo Brown was suspended from basketball in the past because of grades. Is he qualified? No.

    Lorenzo Brown didn’t graduate from high school. Is he qualified? No.

    Lorenzo Brown is taking a class and hopes to slide in by the skin of his teeth. Is he qualified? No.

    Lorenzo Brown sounds like a crappy student. He had trouble maintaining a mediocre GPA, his SAT scores were marginal, and that required a higher GPA than one can safely expect from a student of his caliber. So let’s all hope that a kid who fails high school can suddenly have lightning strike during a remedial summer class.

    When Lowe was hired, he wasted scholarships by taking kids that had no hope of ever being able to contribute. The Sunshine Sidney Squad rationalized that he HAD to do that. He HAD to take someone! Then he began taking marginal recruits and the Sunshine Sidney Squad argued that NC State had NEVER recruited top talent in the past. Why start now? Then Lowe took a guy who was quite obviously only going to be here for one year and the SSS claimed that this was AWESOME! Then Lowe began recruiting kids with entourages and more baggage than Imelda Marcos. Then he started recruiting kids that had severe grade problems.

    If Sidney Lowe were asked to come up with a solid investment plan, something tells me he’d buy $100 in scratch-off lottery tickets.

    As long as he is the coach, there will never be future. Any success that NC State enjoys will be lightning from a blue sky. If he were a home builder, Lowe would start by building the roof. In the sky.

  22. Matthew09 07/12/2009 at 10:01 PM #

    Two things you can always count on:
    1) Bad off-season news before the season starts.

    2) The bulk of people on this site use the opportunity to blame Lowe for what happened.

    I’m sure he knew about Lo’s school issues, but we were all thrilled when Brown committed, and we will be thrilled next year if he eventually suits up in red and white. But right now, let’s use every opportunity to say how much we hate the coach. Am I the only one who thinks is tired of that pattern? Really? Am I the only one?

    Could we PLEASE see how the season plays out before we do another article about how much Lowe is going to suck this year.

  23. john of sparta 07/12/2009 at 10:28 PM #

    and the beat goes on….old song.
    recruits who can’t spell university
    or recognize Raleigh on a US map.
    is it possible to “short” SSS stock?

  24. bradleyb123 07/12/2009 at 10:44 PM #

    ^ “Sid may have no control over what grades the kids make, but he does have control over recruiting kids that may or may not be college material.”

    No offense, Alpha, but using that logic, someone had better get started on a similar blog for TOB, then. (Similar in the sense that the blog should rake TOB over the coals the way Sidney was by this one…) TOB had three of 25 recruits fail to qualify. That’s just a hair below Sidney’s percentage of recruits that failed to qualify.

    For the record, I love TOB. He shouldn’t be judged for this sort of thing. But neither should Sidney. It’s not fair to hold one coach to one academic/recruiting standard, but not the other.

  25. Rufftown Wolf 07/12/2009 at 10:46 PM #

    Panic Panic widespread panic. Oh that’s a jam band.

    You’re not the only one Matthew09. It’s kinda funny there’s more negative nannies here than down in Clemson, SC.

    NCSU is not going to suck next year. I was wondering how Lowe was going to be able play all this talent anyway, now he won’t have that problem.. Scott Wood is going to be a big time player for us. Everybody has forgotten about Richard Howell too. Guard play will improve b/c they have more experience than a lot of the other ACC teams are going to have. I see Mays playing well, along with CJ. Javi will still have a fire in him to compete. And maybe Degand will heal up to game shape.
    Horner and Smith are going to play big roles next year as well. State will be fine.

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