NC State Football By The Numbers – Post Clemson Edition

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Here are the stats and national rankings after the Clemson debacle.

Before the stats, the latest on the National and ACC championship belts.
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National Heavyweight Championship: Here is your winner and NEW heavyweight champion of college football, the TCU Horned Frogs! TCU beat Oklahoma 37-33 and will make their first title defense on Saturday at Baylor.

ACC Heavyweight Championship: FSU beat Wake 43-3 to once again retain the belt. The Seminoles next defend the belt on Saturday at the Carrier Dome vs Syracuse.

Team Stats – ACC & National Rank in Parentheses

Offense
Scoring Offense: 33.7 (6, 51)
Total Offense: 447.3 (4, 44)
Rushing Offense: 212.8 (5, 31)
Passing Offense: 234.5 (6, 62)

Passing Efficiency: 143.57 (5, 45)
Interceptions Thrown: 2 (2, 13)
3rd Down Pct: 47.5% (4, 24)
4th Down Pct: 50.0% (9, 54)
Red Zone Offense: 84.6% (7, 57)
First Downs Offense: 146 (1, 12)
Sacks Allowed: 1.83 (8, 61)
Tackles For Loss Allowed: 3.00 (1, 4)
Turnovers Lost: 8 (6, 54)

Defense
Scoring Defense: 28.5 (13, 83)
Total Defense: 396.2 (13, 68)
Rushing Defense: 171.0 (10, 77)
Passing Defense: 225.2 (11, 49)

Passing Efficiency Defense: 136.38 (12, 90)
Interceptions: 5 (7, 53)
3rd Down Pct Defense: 51.7% (14, 124)
4th Down Pct Defense: 55.6% (9, 72)
Red Zone Defense: 81.8% (10, 60)
First Downs Defense: 123 (13, 98)
Sacks: 2.00 (9, 65)
Tackles For Loss: 5.7 (10, 74)
Turnovers Gained: 10 (7, 41)

Other
Turnover Margin: 0.33 (7, 51)
Punting: 43.44 (1, 5)
Fewest Penalties Per Game: 5.00 (3, 25)
Fewest Penalty Yards Per Game: 43.50 (3, 25)
Time Of Possession: 29:16 (9, 74)
Kickoff Returns: 18.08 (11, 110)
Kickoff Return Defense: 17.71 (3, 18)
Punt Returns: 4.91 (11, 104)
Punt Return Defense: 7.40 (9, 65)

Attendance
Total: 221,654 (4, 20)
Average: 55,414 (5, 35)
Pct Capacity: 96.23% (3, 31)

Schedule Strength
Past Opposition: 10-7 .588 (8, 34)
Future Opposition: 13-13 .500 (11, 65)
Cumulative Opposition: 23-20 .535 (12, 61)

Individual Stat Leaders

Rushing
Shadrach Thornton: 66 att, 407 yds, 6.2 avg, 7 TD
Matt Dayes: 45 att, 287 yds, 6.4 avg, 3 TD
Tony Creecy: 33 att, 213 yds, 6.5 avg
Jacoby Brissett: 52 att, 172 yds, 3.3 avg, 1 TD
Dakwa Nichols: 11 att, 66 yds, 6.0 avg

Passing
Jacoby Brissett: 119-185, 1399 yds, 13 TD, 1 Int, 64.3% comp pct, 149.95 rating
Garrett Leatham: 1-6, 8 yds, 0 TD, 1 Int, 16.7% comp pct, -5.47 rating

Receiving
Bo Hines: 24 rec, 312 yds, 13.0 avg, 1 TD
Matt Dayes: 19 rec, 220 yds, 11.6 avg, 4 TD
David J. Grinnage: 13 rec, 184 yds, 14.2 avg
Marquez Valdes-Scantling: 15 rec, 177 yds, 11.8 avg, 1 TD
Jonathan Alston: 13 rec, 132 yds, 10.2 avg, 1 TD

Punt Returns
Bra’Lon Cherry: 4 ret, 36 yds, 9.0 avg
Bo Hines: 5 ret, 22 yds, 4.4 avg

Kickoff Returns
Matt Dayes: 12 ret, 217 yds, 18.1 avg

Field Goals
Niklas Sade: 4-7 (.571), long of 41

Extra Points
Niklas Sade: 26-26 (1.000)

Punting
Wil Baumann: 25 punts, 48.0 avg, long of 67

Kickoffs
Niklas Sade: 37 KO, 63.8 avg, 16 touchbacks

Fumbles
Jacoby Brissett: 4 fumbles, 4 lost
Shadrach Thornton: 2 fumbles, 1 lost
Bra’Lon Cherry: 1 fumble, 0 lost
David J. Grinnage: 1 fumble, 0 lost
TEAM: 2 fumbles, 1 lost

Tackles
Hakim Jones: 47
Jerod Fernandez: 45
Rodman Noel: 41
Dravious Wright: 31
Josh Jones: 25

Tackles For Loss
Rodman Noel: 5.5
T.Y. McGill: 4
Mike Rose: 3.5
Thomas Teal: 3
Dravious Wright: 3

Sacks
Thomas Teal: 2
Monty Nelson: 2

Interceptions
Jerod Fernandez: 2
Rodman Noel: 1
Josh Jones: 1
Jack Tocho: 1

Forced Fumbles
Monty Nelson: 1
Brandon Pittman: 1
Thomas Teal: 1
Dravious Wright: 1
Mike Rose: 1
T.Y. McGill: 1

Fumbles Recovered
Monty Nelson: 2
Brandon Pittman: 1
Thomas Teal: 1
Malcolm Means: 1

Conference Leaders
Passing TD: Jacoby Brissett
Punting: Wil Baumann
Receiving TD: Matt Dayes

About WV Wolf

Graduated from NCSU in 1996 with a degree in statistics. Born and inbred in West "By God" Virginia and now live in Raleigh where I spend my time watching the Wolfpack, the Mountaineers and the Carolina Hurricanes as well as making bar graphs for SFN. I'm @wvncsu on the Twitter machine.

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  • 10/08/2014 at 9:51 AM #58338
    WV Wolf
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    Here are the stats and national rankings after the Clemson debacle. Before the stats, the latest on the National and ACC championship belts. National
    [See the full post at: NC State Football By The Numbers – Post Clemson Edition]

    10/08/2014 at 10:09 AM #58340
    Prowling Woofie
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    I know we’re in a “rebuilding phase”, but just how bad is it when your team MVP one year is your Placekicker, and the next year it’s your Punter ???

    That’s no criticism of Sade and Baumann, God bless ’em !!! Just shows the sorry state of the program at this point.

    10/08/2014 at 10:16 AM #58342
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    While some have been fighting the obvious conclusions for the last month, the numbers are settling down and confirming what I thought during the preseason games….State has an average offense and a bad defense. (Note that without greatly improved QB play, State would end up with virtually the exact same results as last year.)

    To win, State has to hold onto the ball and hopefully win in a track-meet style game. The defense is so poor, that it is not likely that State can overcome a rash of turnovers in any one game.

    There are many posts on the coaching staff and their abilities. In other words, is a good staff trying to overcome a talent deficit or is a mediocre staff just flailing around. In the end, it doesn’t matter which view is correct.

    It is not enough just to maximize the results with poor talent. The coaches job is to win…with improving talent being the obvious first step. In the end, you are what your record says you are and that’s the proper way to judge a coaching staff at the 4-5 year point (excluding extenuating circumstances).

    10/08/2014 at 12:00 PM #58346
    Gowolves
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    I disagree, VAW82, I think the offense is better than average. Great young corp of receivers. Experienced RB’s. Best OL in a while. They just ran into a great defense and let FSU beat them twice.

    Now as far as the defense I couldn’t agree more. I knew this season would hinge on the D. I could tell this from the spring game. Nobody thought we would beat FSU or Clemson. Not like these were “expected” wins to start the season. Yes one of the two games was crap. Just like one of the two games was a great effort. The first four games didn’t tell us much if anything. I am not prepared to say the season is lost. People act like this was unexpected. I don’t think you are saying that either but it sure smells of doom.

    Like others have said the season really starts this Saturday with regards is this program improving? Sports are a bottom line business. Win or lose(within reason) is all that matters. We cannot accept moral victories in most of the remaining games but if they lose more than they win it doesn’t mean progress hasn’t been made. Rarely do teams turn around a 3-9 season to a 8-4 hell even 7-5 is tough. I think we have two more wins somewhere. I think that’s a realistic goal. Also a sign of some improvement even if two thirds of the wins came against cupcakes.

    10/08/2014 at 12:17 PM #58348
    ncsu1987
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    ^”average”

    I think it depends on what is meant by “average”. If you mean we have an offense that is better on average than NC State teams the past 5 years, I may agree with you in a game or two. If you mean we have a better than average offense than the average among all schools this year, not sure I see data to support that.

    I will say the offense is significantly better than last year, and I’m not sure the defense is any worse than last year. Taken alone (which is always dangerous) these observations suggest that we’ll perform better than last year, which was my goal for the season (represented by 2-3 conference wins)

    The team is considerably ahead of schedule on offense, and roughly on schedule on defense, based on what I’d hoped to see from the players and staff. Gotta work on that “awe” aspect of traveling to play with the big boys. At FSU last year and at CU this year, just looked like deer in the headlights. Disappointing, but not entirely unexpected.

    Looking forward to a good showing at home against BC. Hoping for a win, think we’re capable, but still not expecting it.

    10/08/2014 at 12:52 PM #58349
    PapaJohn
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    I think all of our “is we is / is we ain’t” any good analysis has been premature.

    The OOC games should have been wins, and they were. We saw the Offence improve over the four games, and we saw the defense we expected. Pretty weak.

    FSU & CU are established successful programs with well entrenched coaching/recruiting staffs and years of quality recruiting classes. FSU won it all last year, CU won the Orange Bowl. These are great college teams who can compete with anyone. They are who we aspire to be in a few years.
    We knew they were going to beat us, and we expected to be thrashed.

    HOWEVER, this game is the real ‘state of the program’ game IMO. This is a home game against a beatable team. If we don’t win this, then we know we haven’t progressed as much as we’d hoped and we need to recalibrate expectations.

    10/08/2014 at 2:56 PM #58354
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    I based my comment of “average offense” on the fact that State’s offensive stats are generally at or above the midpoint in the conference and national rankings. “Average” may have been a little harsh…but I haven’t gotten over the Clemson game yet.

    10/08/2014 at 3:27 PM #58358
    Greywolf
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    “Scoring Offense: 33.7 (6, 51)
    Total Offense: 447.3 (4, 44)”
    Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t there 14 teams in our conference and 125+/- in the FBS? Let’s not make it worse than it is, okay? We are above average in offense according to the numbers. This is a significant improvement over last year. Go ahead, let’s hear the “yes, but’s” if you have to make State worse than it is.

    “Scoring Defense: 28.5 (13, 83)
    Total Defense: 396.2 (13, 68)”
    We are not good, not even close to being good. IOW we are bad. I’d like to think we are struggling. Unfortunately there is no one player like QB that can turn the defense around. No scheme makes offenses beatable. About all I know of that makes any real difference is an infusion of players who are, to use an old cliché, agile, mobile and hostile.

    IMO About the best we can hope for is that the defense is not really this bad but has been “struggling” and will find itself in the next few games.

    10/08/2014 at 4:11 PM #58362
    tjfoose1
    Participant

    That’s no criticism of Sade and Baumann, God bless ‘em !!!

    Baumann has really upped his game this season. If he continues, he won’t have to worry about attending job fairs after graduation.

    10/08/2014 at 4:13 PM #58363
    tjfoose1
    Participant

    I disagree, VAW82, I think the offense is better than average.

    I agree, but it hasn’t proven it yet. Time will tell.

    10/09/2014 at 8:56 AM #58377
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    We are above average in offense according to the numbers.

    Oh BS!

    To most people, “average” would cover a range of values around the mathematical mean. An above average offense doesn’t get shut out by a team with two losses.

    10/09/2014 at 9:02 AM #58378
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster
    Greywolf wrote:

    Go ahead, let’s hear the “yes, but’s” if you have to make State worse than it is.

    The next time you accuse me of twisting the facts, you better have proof or the entire post will be deleted. You conveniently left out the sentence where I said that “average” MIGHT be a little harsh.

    Anyone that has been here any amount of time should know that I strive for accuracy and try to have support for any conclusions that I reach. Corrections are always welcome since I have never claimed to be perfect.

    10/09/2014 at 9:25 AM #58379
    YogiNC
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    Sorry to disagree VAW but Clemson IMO is the best 2 loss team in the country since they lost on opening day to a top notch team from the SEC and to the #1 team in the country. That is not a typical two loss team. There were just too many variables in that game for us. Spent emotions, early two score deficit, A QB that is on fire (BTW, had he been starting from day one Clemson very likely is undefeated right now and ranked in the top 5). Lots of things went into that loss that are above and beyond categorizing our offense as average. Ask Jimbo if he considers us average. Ultimately what put us in a really bad situation is our defense is pitiful, and Clemson has some monsters on their defense.

    it would be my guess that at least 90% of the time or higher no matter what the level of competition in football an outstanding defense trumps outstanding offense. The champions have both most of the time. Why is that? Because the offense has to score, the defense can not only prevent the offense from scoring but can also score within that process. I give you Beasely taking the ball right out of Brisett’s hand and toting it to the end zone. I cannot recall any championship team in the NFL or college that did not have a top notch defense and i’ve been watching both for over half a century. If any have won a championship without their defense ranking near the top then it’s an anomaly, and anomalies rarely occur in championships. The supposed underdog does win, but it’s my assertion that statistically those teams that float to the top usually do so on the backs of the defense. The underdog does not get into the championship game on the backs of those on only one side of the ball.

    Smarter than the average bear

    10/09/2014 at 10:34 AM #58380
    Greywolf
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    VaWolf82 wrote:

    The next time you accuse me of twisting the facts, you better have proof or the entire post will be deleted.

    To say I accused you of “twisting the facts” is false. The facts are the facts — nothing to twist. I openly admit to disagreeing with your interpretation of the facts. I tend to “get after” what I consider unwarranted devaluing of the Pack’s (and Doeren’s) efforts.

    VaWolf82 wrote:

    I based my comment of “average offense” on the fact that State’s offensive stats are generally at or above the midpoint in the conference and national rankings. “Average” may have been a little harsh…but I haven’t gotten over the Clemson game yet.

    Unfortunately this comment was posted WHILE I was composing my comment. My comments were based on my opinion that you WERE a little harsh in your judgment that the Pack is “average” on offense. Having admitted that yourself, I would have cut you a lot of slack and would not have accused you of doing what you had admitted to. It is also unfortunate, and I wasn’t clear about this, the “Go ahead, let’s hear the “yes, but’s” if you have to make State worse than it is.” comment was pointed to OT13, PackAlum44 and a few others from another board who I co-mingle with SFN in my mind who seem to enjoy dissing the Pack. In re-reading it I can see how that comment would piss you off and I sincerely apologize for my carelessness in not being clear about to whom I was referring. IOW the “let’s hear the “yes, but’s” was a future comments reference, not your current comments. Damned sloppy of me, I’d say.

    You explain your majority interpretation of “average” in another post. I’m a “literal” or “exact” kind of guy and if 7, for example, is average then to me any thing ‘south’ of seven is below average while anything above seven is above average. And I admittedly am biased when it comes to Wolfpack football.

    VaWolf82, while I doubt you or anyone else will read this long-winded ramble, I do apologize. I also say that threatening to delete posts that conflict with your point of view, doesn’t fit my pictures of you. Delete me or not but threatening someone to be careful responding to you IMO reflects poorly on you. I hope that comment doesn’t get me deleted. 😉

    10/09/2014 at 11:17 AM #58383
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    I also say that threatening to delete posts that conflict with your point of view, doesn’t fit my pictures of you.

    Once again, not what I said.

    10/09/2014 at 11:35 AM #58386
    Greywolf
    Participant
    VaWolf82 wrote:

    Once again, not what I said.

    Once again, twisting facts was not what I did, either. IMO “Twisting facts” was a strawman used in our disagreement.

    10/09/2014 at 12:11 PM #58388
    tjfoose1
    Participant

    An above average offense doesn’t get shut out by a team with two losses.

    That’s a rather dumb, general, blanket statement.

    Creating a false axiom that can easily be discredited as evidence to support a subjective opinion coming from someone posturing themselves as the voice of reason, truth, and virtuous posts is quite comical.

    10/09/2014 at 12:44 PM #58390
    Greywolf
    Participant
    tjfoose1 wrote:

    That’s a rather dumb, general, blanket statement.
    Creating a false axiom that can easily be discredited as evidence to support a subjective opinion coming from someone posturing themselves as the voice of reason, truth, and virtuous posts is quite comical.

    Strong message to follow!

    10/09/2014 at 1:06 PM #58394
    tjfoose1
    Participant

    Maybe an extra does of Motrin will help.

    10/09/2014 at 1:06 PM #58395
    ryebread
    Participant

    I’ve been watching NC State football for 30 years. By watching I mean consistently following the program, attending games, watching the games on TV, reading the box scores, etc..

    Our offense this year is slightly above average for NC State. As a program though, we’ve been typically above average on the offensive side of the ball relative to peers. Outside of a couple of years with Chuck where we had some great defense and a few stinker years under TOB (and last season), we’ve always had better offense than defense. The OL has played quite well (Clemson game was the first bad one) as has Brissett. We put up 40+ on FSU and we have outscored opponents in 4 other games. I’ll take it.

    Our defense is below average by NC State standards over the past 30 years. We’re not a defense first program like VT, but this one is still in the bottom 5-10 defenses that I can remember since watching. Archer had a couple like this, Chuck had one (River’s senior year), Mike O’Cain blessed us with a few and last year was bad. This one is down there. It’s in the bottom of the conference with UNC, Wake and I suspect Duke and Syracuse. We can’t get off the field and don’t generate any pressure. Our best hope is that the other team gives us the ball.

    Our special teams have been well above average. I’ve been on Sade for missing a couple of FGs early, but he’s solid and his kick offs are great. The punting has been NFL quality. Coverage has been quite good outside of one kick against USF.

    We’re also well above average with respect to penalties. This season is better than any time under Chuck, TOB and any time that I can remember under MOC. That’s a sign of coaching to me. Keep it up fellas!

    We’re headed in the right direction. Our stats are skewed by playing against the two best offenses and defenses in the ACC in our first two conference games. We’d look much better had we played WF and Syracuse. We’re not quite at the place we want to be, nor are we getting there quickly enough, but the ship is definitely turning.

    10/09/2014 at 1:39 PM #58396
    Daniel_Simpson_Day
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    I made a cursory glance at which FBS schools have been shut out so far this season.

    Week 1 – Southern Miss, Southern Methodist
    Week 2 – Eastern Michigan, Florida Atlantic, Michigan
    Week 3 – Army, Kent State, Louisiana Monroe
    Week 4 – Troy
    Week 5 – Southern Methodist, Kansas
    Week 6 – NCSU

    There are 128 FBS schools so that means there are roughly 60 games each week so roughly 3%-4% of all the games played have resulted in an FBS team being shutout. That’s not good company to be in. I’m not trying to kick dirt on the program, just throwing some numbers out there to show how rare it is for an FBS school to go an entire game without scoring any points.

    10/09/2014 at 1:53 PM #58397
    redisgood
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    Daniel_Simpson_Day wrote:

    I made a cursory glance at which FBS schools have been shut out so far this season.

    Week 1 – Southern Miss, Southern Methodist<br>
    Week 2 – Eastern Michigan, Florida Atlantic, Michigan<br>
    Week 3 – Army, Kent State, Louisiana Monroe<br>
    Week 4 – Troy<br>
    Week 5 – Southern Methodist, Kansas<br>
    Week 6 – NCSU

    There are 128 FBS schools so that means there are roughly 60 games each week so roughly 3%-4% of all the games played have resulted in an FBS team being shutout. That’s not good company to be in. I’m not trying to kick dirt on the program, just throwing some numbers out there to show how rare it is for an FBS school to go an entire game without scoring any points.

    “An above average offense doesn’t get shut out by a team with two losses.”

    It might be worthwhile to see how many teams have put up 41 points on the #1 team in the country. I do know that is hard to do with an “average” offense.

    10/09/2014 at 2:05 PM #58399
    Greywolf
    Participant
    redisgood wrote:

    It might be worthwhile to see how many teams have put up 41 points on the #1 team in the country. I do know that is hard to do with an “average” offense.

    It’s a lot harder to put up 41 points on the #1 team in the country than it is to get shut out by one of the best defenses in the country.

    I wonder how these teams who have not been shut out would do 2 weeks in a row verses Florida State and Clemson?

    10/09/2014 at 2:14 PM #58400
    redisgood
    Participant

    BC has a really good defense. This should be a great barometer of where exactly our offense sits relative to “average”.

    As an aside, this is a huge weekend for recruits attending, so I hope the crowd shows up in full voice, and our team makes a good showing on the field.

    10/09/2014 at 3:07 PM #58406
    AsheWolf
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    If we had only kicked that field goal before half. Everything would be OK then.

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