Guest Column: Doeren Deserves Time To Turn Around The Football Program

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Lynch mobs have a way of rapidly metastasizing, and their growth is often fed by emotion and a lack of reasoning. For those who are considering igniting their torches and heading down to the Murphy Center to demand the ouster of head football coach Dave Doeren, they would do well to defer to reason and patience instead of emotion.

While some Wolfpack faithful might wish to claim that “the jury is still out” in the case of Coach Doeren, or worse, they might want to consider that this “trial” has only just begun. By no means has the jury left the courtroom to deliberate. The prosecutors are seemingly anxious for a conviction, but the defendant in this case, must be given ample time and opportunity to defend himself against his accusers.  In this case, his accusers have a five game losing streak and the prospect of it lengthening to the end of this football season — and maybe beyond that.

Undoubtedly, the prosecution will attack Coach Doeren’s coaching decisions, but it will also dig deeper into his background to prove that he is not up to the task at hand. The jury will be reminded that Coach Doeren in his only other head coaching job inherited a successful program at Northern Illinois University from previous head coach Jerry Kill. Coming off an 11-3 season, Doeren’s primary task was to steady the helm and keep the ship in the channel. In that aspect, he succeeded by going 23-4 (.851) over two seasons, culminating in a BCS bowl-busting Orange Bowl berth. In other words, the prosecution would have the jury believe that Coach Doeren has little experience in building his own program and that quite possibly, he is incapable of doing so – that perhaps he is in a bit over his head.

His detractors will point out that the last time that N.C. State went fishing for a coach in Mid-American Conference waters, they reeled in Tom Reed from Miami of Ohio. Reed, like Doeren, was successful in his previous position posting a 34-19-2 (.636) record over five seasons. Coach Reed’s first season at State ended with a disastrous 3-8 record. Torches were lit then too, but cooler heads prevailed, and Reed was allowed two more campaigns. He ended up logging three successive 3-8 seasons before he was shown the road out of Raleigh.
The prosecution will also remind the jury that if not for Niklas Sade’s 48 yard field goal with 33 seconds left on the game clock, the Wolfpack would have lost at home to the Richmond Spiders – an FCS opponent. That harrowing victory, coupled with home wins against Conference USA bottom feeder Louisiana Tech and MAC lightweight Central Michigan remain the only notches on Coach Doeren’s “pistol” to date.

On the other hand, Doeren’s defenders will be quick to point out that while Tom Reed was indeed a failed hire in retrospect, even he was allowed three seasons to clot the gushing nose bleed that is Monte Kiffin’s legacy at State. Likewise, the Kiffin debacle lasted for three seasons also, and its report card shows a pathetic 16-17 record. History shows that since 1971, when Al Michaels was the interim head coach, no N.C. State head football coach has been given less than three seasons to produce positive results. To erase that precedent, at this point, would be unrealistic as well as unfair. Thankfully, Dr. Yow is no Quick Draw McGraw and can be expected to treat her hire fairly.

In his defense, Coach Doeren can also point out that while he showed up late to the recruiting game, he was still quite successful in his recruiting endeavors. Further, he can claim that when he went to check out the cupboard that his predecessor had left him, he ended up feeling a bit like Old Mother Hubbard. This was especially true at the quarterback position – arguably the most important position. It is becoming increasingly apparent why Brandon Mitchell was not given the reins to the Arkansas offense, and Pete Thomas has been merely adequate – at best.

Reality is a wet blanket that can smother the flames of irrational exuberance and unreasonable expectations. The lighting of lynch mob torches is not a means to an end, at least not yet. The truth is that the only lynch mob that Coach Doeren wishes to see when he looks out of his office window in the Murphy Center would be a mob of NIU offensive lineman surrounding Jordan Lynch with immediate eligibility papers in hand.  But that is equally unreasonable, so just hope that the Pack doesn’t end up in the reeds again.

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92 Responses to Guest Column: Doeren Deserves Time To Turn Around The Football Program

  1. vtpackfan 11/11/2013 at 12:26 PM #

    Walking up and not having to read Ebronics on this site is a breathe of fresh air.

  2. choppack1 11/11/2013 at 12:35 PM #

    I am sorry. I dispute the entire premise that there’s even a significant minority calling for dd’s head. Most criticism I have seen is regarding play calling, preparation and game management. I’d wager at least 95% of wolfpack fans favor bringing dd back for next year.

    There is a misconception out there that criticizing a coach= poster wants coach fired by a large group out there. Ironically, the kids seem to be fair game. It is a double-standard that I have a hard time comprehending. I guess the good news is that those who initially criticized the players usually move onto the coach once a certain tipping point is reached.

  3. hpack 11/11/2013 at 12:37 PM #

    Folks, the reason TOB had to be fired was not that he was a horrible coach, it as that he flat out quit recruiting! Most of our players are mid-major caliber at best. Our QB’s are DI bac-up level at best and just not capable of elevating the rest of the team. TOB had been bolstered by NFL caliber (top notch NFL caliber in the case of RW) during his tenure. TOB should have actually been fired a year earlier! I say this year was a trainwreck was going to happen regardless of the coach. DD seems to at least be recruiting at least ACC caliber players. I have no idea how this will end up but DD deserves more tiime.

  4. BJD95 11/11/2013 at 12:38 PM #

    The playcalling and weird timeout stuff is just deck chairs on the Titanic. Once we had any significant injuries at all, this season was a complete wasteland.

    The fake punt was called on the field, kudos to Doeren for not passing the blame. Good leadership.

    Math is very clear – it is almost always a good idea to go for it on 4th down. Almost every successful coach in the modern era goes for it much more often than “the book” suggests. Nitpicking one instance is insane. We want Doeren to stay aggressive so he doesn’t lose a game by punting (see O’Brien, Tom at Clemson).

    Doeren needs to show SOMETHING by Year Three, but it certainly doesn’t need to be much more than a 5 or 6 win season. He just doesn’t get a total pass, which he does for this year and next.

    This is how deep in the hole we are, talentwise. That’s reality. It sucks, but we all need to accept it and move forward. When you have three recruiting classes in the pipeline ranked in the 50s and below…this is what you get.

    You can win with recruiting classes ranging from the 20s to the 30s, with the occasional in the 40s. Below that, you will suck. And suck we do.

  5. hpack 11/11/2013 at 12:44 PM #

    You can win with lower ranked classes provided, that you have a very good relationship with the schools that you recruit. Relationships with HS coaches let one scratch the surface of recruiting highlight tapes and statistics and allow one to find the lower ranked recruits with the drive to success. I would argue that one cannot elevate a program without this kind of discipline.

  6. BJD95 11/11/2013 at 12:48 PM #

    And there were LOTS of people this weekend not calling directly for Doeren’s head, but pretty clearly indicating that the hire had been “proven” to be a mistake, and that there is never an excuse for having a season this bad.

    As if this kind of thing had never happened to a successful NC State head coach before. See Sheridan, Dick – 1987.

    There’s simply NO WAY you can tell what a coach can do until the third season, because only then will he have a significant number of his recruits in the program and the two deep.

    Starting in Sheridan’s third season – 1988, we were a solid program, year in and year out. It was easily the best sustained period of success for NC State football, in the modern era.

    I’m not saying that Doeren is the next Sheridan (or better), just that you can have NO CLUE one way or the other until Year Three. Period, full stop.

  7. BJD95 11/11/2013 at 12:51 PM #

    You can also note that other serious candidates for jobs in our price/stature range took over programs at Cal, Colorado, and Purdue.

    Each team is winless in conference play. Each team is at least as bad as we are, and arguably even worse.

  8. MP 11/11/2013 at 1:27 PM #

    Sorry to comment and add nothing… But ^that is just an outstanding post.

  9. gumby 11/11/2013 at 1:29 PM #

    We can argue merits or lack thereof of coaching and player talent on this team until the cows come home and never resolve anything. It doesn’t diminish the point that a great number of Pack fans are sorely disappointed in this season’s results to date, regardless of cause, and this disappointment is not foolhardy.

    I guess we should blame the fans that didn’t have their butts in their seats at the 2nd half kickoffs…

  10. vtpackfan 11/11/2013 at 1:30 PM #

    Like to note the DD just finished the weekley press conference. Asked a few times about going for it on 4 th and it came across pure and simple that get used to it. He repeatedly stated that he’s an aggressive coach and the team knows it. The guys want to go for it and the D tells them they’ve got their back.

    He went for it a ton at NIU. We will see how it works out when we match up better at OL. There is a lot of growing evidence that going for it on fourth produces a higher degree of total offense and scoring then the punt and field position. One theory is that mindset of the offense changes some when they know coach will probably go for it if we get close.

    I don’t know. It’s Supeman Bizzaro world between this coach and last. If DD coaches the 2010 game in Death Valley we more then likely play in an ACC title game. The question will be what if his aggressiveness becomes an Achilles heal and costs a few along the way.

  11. Wulfpack 11/11/2013 at 1:33 PM #

    Interesting vtpackfan. Well, hope it works out for him…

  12. budfox88 11/11/2013 at 1:45 PM #

    First, nice write up! Second, it’s one thing to accept the fact that you suck…it’s another to suck AND look like an idiot. I like DD and think he will be a great coach, but I question the playcalls and O coaching decisions, and hope that he is just experimenting with a ship that’s already sunk (this year). Hopefully it’s not insight into where the coaches are mentally when we really have something to lose. 4th and inches and nothing to lose…I’d go for it every time, although it would be a quick QB keeper (esp with the size of Mitchell). The fake punt was just stupid imho. If they’re just trying to take risks to see what they can do, then do that during the game and mix up some offense…at least to throw off the D! Maybe DD is just trying to add some shimmer with pyrite, knowing this year is a total loss but it may be coming down to a hit on his credibility, which in turn could hurt his recruiting. I agree DD needs 3 seasons to prove himself, but we need to stop making ourselves look silly in the meantime, nothing to gain from it at all, and perhaps a lot to lose!

  13. Greywolf 11/11/2013 at 1:52 PM #

    Coach did or tried to do 2 things at once, both of which may have cost us a few wins. One, he tried to win with what he had instead of playing redshirts and freshmen to build for the future. Two, he at the same time put in or tried to put in ‘his’ offense without having a QB to run it.

    I give him an A for trying to win this season even with inferior talent. I don’t think he had any choice but to put in his offense,

    IMNSHO: The success we are having with the run game is in part due to the spread offense — which creates running lanes that good runners can exploit. Visualize what the score would be if the game were played 3 or 4 or 5 to a side. Lot’s of long gainers and TD’s. Now visualize what the score would be with 20 or 30 or more per side. Hardly any long gainers and very few TDs. 7-0 would be a good lead.

    If the above is true, could somebody explain to me why we bring in 2 TEs and/or 2 FB’s when we must have a yard or 2? Why not run the same offense that you have been running successfully all game. Same question for the fucking prevent defense.

  14. Greywolf 11/11/2013 at 2:02 PM #

    The fake punt was called on the field, not by DD and
    “I guess we should blame the fans that didn’t have their butts in their seats at the 2nd half kickoffs…”
    and DD didn’t “blame” anything on the fans. He did ask us to be back for the start of the 3rd quarter because “the team needed us.” He was respectful and sincere in asking for our support.

    Yes, I’m getting a little tired of so-called fans putting words in DD’s mouth in order to make him wrong. Take that shit to IC.

  15. Greywolf 11/11/2013 at 2:35 PM #

    How does DD work? Does he call all the plays and make all the decisions on the sideline? Some of us seem to think so. Or is he delegating to his assistants? We’ll likely never know because he won’t say and he takes responsibility for it all. I’m sure that Debbie knows and if DD needs correcting, she will do it.

    I suspect if you want good assistants you will have to delegate and live with the results. Conversely I suspect that CTC held too tight a rein on his top assistants.

    Way too many of us are commenting about that which we know absolutely nothing.

  16. Texpack 11/11/2013 at 3:10 PM #

    This is part of what I posted in the game thread on Sunday morning. It best sums up my thoughts on the subject of this thread.

    I am starting to think DD could be in over his head, but you have to let his recruits get on the field before you pass judgement on him for good. He’s learning some tough lessons this year. At least he’s not screwing up what could have been a great season. I think his hyper-competitiveness does have him frustrated and trying to make something happen for his team.

    Just think how hard this would have been to turn around after one or two more Top 150 recruiting classes?

  17. ncsu1987 11/11/2013 at 3:14 PM #

    Nice article.

    I, too, had hoped that we would win more games this year. I was aware of the talent drop off, and already aware of the masking provided by the run of years with NFL quality QBs. Even so, I’m shocked at the bare cupboard. My first nervous twinge was early on, when Coach Doeren expressed concern (dismay) at the level of talent on the team. As we now know, the gap is EPIC.

    I like what I see from this coach. I want aggressive, I want a culture that plays to win. And yes, I want that NOW, even if we can’t execute it.

    Like a commenter above, in my mind everybody gets a pass until year 3. This year all bets are off. Next year won’t be much better. For those of you already in panic mode, you might want to sit down, or maybe grab a bottle. In year 3, I want to see improvement, like 6-win improvement. By year 5, I’d like to see 8 wins. Everything after that will be determined by the foundation that’s laid over the next 5. Those are realistic expectations.

    I’ve written before about the difference between expectation and hope. Sometimes it’s a thin line that’s hard to see. But in the end, it’s important for your sanity. The previous paragraph is what I expect. Do I HOPE for more? Of course I do. But that’s the difference. Set realistic expectations for sustained growth, then enjoy anything more as lagniappe.

    And OMG on the fake punt. It’s been established that the play call was made on the field. 1) Kudos to Coach for establishing the cultural expectation that leaders on the field are empowered to make decisions. 2) Kudos to Coach for refusing to throw anybody under the bus when the play went south. 3) Kudos to Coach for establishing the culture of playing to win, of showing confidence in his players (even when they can’t execute).

  18. ShipHappens 11/11/2013 at 4:21 PM #

    I have never given any serious thought to the notion that DD is in over his head, that his in game coaching has been evidence that he was a bad hire, or that we should cut our losses and let him go at seasons end. I chalk that kind of talk up to hyperbole in the heat of a frustrating moment. I am 54 years old and by the end of the UNX game I was cursing at the TV like I haven’t since I was a 19 year old no rank airman fixing jets in the wee hours of afreezing

  19. CJBLAYZER 11/11/2013 at 4:22 PM #

    I still say if the refs dont blow that sideline call against Clemson, we are on our way to a great season. That one play was the play that changed our season, not the fake punt or going for it deep in our own territory. If we should be looking for anybody to lynch it should be TOB and his staff. They were bad coaches and horrible recruiters.

  20. ShipHappens 11/11/2013 at 4:36 PM #

    night. By the second pick six Saturday I think I might of scared my wife and teenage son. What frustrates me is the shape TOB left us in. How does any coach allow petsonal loyalties to coaches rise above their responsibilities to the program they manage not to even mention the institution of NC State. All summer long BJD was telling us how low the talent level was and I never completely believed it. Now I see and still can’t. Hell, DY not only should have fired TOB, she should have sued him for negligence.

  21. BJD95 11/11/2013 at 4:49 PM #

    Oh, and you get no argument from me about Doeren chiding the fans early in the season. That wasn’t smart at all, even if it was overblown quite a bit.

    There’s a simple reaction for when a team gears up because it suspects you will go for it on 4th and short. You throw the f-cking ball, and score a TD instead of making a first down.

    Now…we can’t exactly do that with THIS year’s personnel. But long term? I’m glad the mindset is to attack.

  22. MISTA WOLF 11/11/2013 at 5:10 PM #

    Maybe the next time it’s a 4th down DD can poll the audience on what he should do like they did on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire. Get off his back people. You play to win. With the discrepancy of our talent versus others you have to do things that are sometimes questionable. We make the first downs, “greatest coach ever”, we don’t “die DD die.” At least he has the testicular fortitude to attempt to make something happen rather than his geriatric predecessor.

  23. Mike 11/11/2013 at 5:27 PM #

    Speaking of talent levels – DD comes in and says we have a lack of talent. if he came from Alabama, of course, it would appear we had little talent. The guy from a MAC school and complains of a lack of talent? Nuff said!

  24. Wolfman 9806 11/11/2013 at 5:29 PM #

    Geez, when did we become the new Duke Football of the ACC?

  25. tjfoose1 11/11/2013 at 5:41 PM #

    The football savy won’t have to wait 3 years to determine if DD has the chops to succeed here. Another recruiting cycle and a full season with a capable QB should provide all that is needed to make a determination, regardless of next season’s W/L record.

    Early return says he does, and should get another 3 after 2014.

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