NC State Football: Developing the Future

While the on field results of this season have been less than stellar, Coach Doeren continues to impress me with the little things he’s doing to make the program better. just put out an article that talks about how Coach D and the staff use the bye week practices to work out the younger players. Any player who is redshirting or not getting significant snaps gets a dedicated practice to get better. I love it.

Every day this week, after regular practice was complete, Doeren has huddled his travel squad up and then sent them back to the Murphy Center for conditioning and treatment. Then he and his staff put all of the younger players through a 30-minute “developmental” practice. Any player who is redshirting the season or not playing significant snaps has stayed out and gone through individual drills with position coaches and even some scrimmage work.

These aren’t the only “developmental” practices that the Pack will hold this season. Every Sunday, Doeren and his graduate assistant coaches bring the same group out on the field for a practice while the remainder of the team lifts weights, meets and has walk-throughs.

“I do this because I always thought the redshirt guys get ignored,” said Doeren, who started the practice as the head coach at Northern Illinois. “It makes them feel like they’re a part of something and not like `they just shelved me for a year.’ They have coaches coaching them once a week individually – they’re not just looking at a card on the scout team. I really enjoy the one-on-one interaction with each of them as well.”

You can read the full article here.

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24 Responses to NC State Football: Developing the Future

  1. Greywolf 10/17/2013 at 6:25 PM #

    There is a lot in this article to impress. Redshirts gaining 200 pounds *during the season* is one of them. That someone is tracking the weight gain is another. That’s attention to detail. The redshirts and walk-ons scrimmaging while the rest of the team cheers builds family. Sense of family is often spoken of as a positive by recruits.

    Some of us are saying there is no difference in this coach and the last or even as bad as HWSNBN. This guy and his coaches aren’t going to let anything stop them from accomplishing their goals.

    While not expecting it, I for one won’t be surprised if he somehow wins enough games this year to make it to a bowl. It doesn’t matter which one, we will get the extra practice so vital to developing younger players.

  2. Greywolf 10/17/2013 at 6:30 PM #

    Is there a limit to the number of graduate assistants a team may have?

  3. vtpackfan 10/17/2013 at 6:43 PM #

    Very cool. There are “player” coaches and coaches whose interests are truly into any guy on the roster who buys in. Sometimes it’s power in numbers that can get you over the top in close ones. You get the whole sideline of a team motivated and with their heads in the game, even though they haven’t a shot if playing, then you can have an electrified bench that can be really motivating.

  4. vtpackfan 10/17/2013 at 7:01 PM #

    BTW –

    Pictures are worth the scroll thru to see a picture of DD and one of my all time favorites Jamie Barnette. I had no idea Coach was that tall 😉

  5. choppack1 10/17/2013 at 8:24 PM #

    Good gosh. There’s a difference, but all that matters is a difference in results.

    Right now, it’s too early to tell. ALL state are hoping this is a change for the better, but so far it’s too early to tell.

  6. choppack1 10/17/2013 at 8:29 PM #

    I do love the personal touch… and he’s definitely more personable than the cold tob.

  7. Gowolves 10/17/2013 at 10:27 PM #

    Let’s all hold hands and sing kumbaya. I don’t care how we get the program to a respectable place just get it done. Sorry for the cynicism but for me proof is on the field. I don’t want to see the same mistakes being made week after week.

  8. PackFamily 10/17/2013 at 10:42 PM #

    Gowolves… the world was flat, until it wasn’t. See you on the other side.

  9. JohnGalt78 10/17/2013 at 11:46 PM #

    Meanwhile, UNCheat has ordered rings for covering the spread against Miami.

  10. Greywolf 10/18/2013 at 12:07 AM #

    You sound like a Tar Hole, Gowolves. They don’t care how they win either. Wanna bring in BMFD and Black Santa?

  11. ruffles31 10/18/2013 at 12:43 AM #

    Very cool story. Doeren gets it and it will reap benefits in the future.

  12. BJD95 10/18/2013 at 6:49 AM #

    Developing the future is the staff’s #1 job right now.

    It will show, if at all, in 2015. That’s when we can and should expect concrete results.

  13. redisgood 10/18/2013 at 7:17 AM #

    I understand the skepticism and cynicism, but when I see the energy, work ethic, attention to detail, recruiting success, and the relationships DD has established throughout the high school coaching community, I am extremely excited about the future of Wolfpack football.

  14. Wulfpack 10/18/2013 at 8:20 AM #

    I am excited about the future, but also cautiously optimistic. It is not by any means an easy task to build a winner here. The best talent leave for bigger programs. I really do not know how that suddenly changes. And I believe that FSU and Clemson are very far ahead, with their own young coaches, and they are both in our division. I would feel differently if we were in the Coastal, which has been up for grabs for several years. It also means you cannot lose to the also rans of the conference, something we have not been able to avoid with three NFL QBs on the rosters, and two of them pro bowl caliber. It is all about consistency.

  15. packalum44 10/18/2013 at 9:47 AM #

    Hey Nick Saban, you crotchety perverse man, you taking notes? Dave D. has a great idea to improve your scout team’s morale!!

    “Feel good” stories after losing two games in which we were favored annoy me. Winning cures all ills including the morale of redshirted and scout players.

  16. Gowolves 10/18/2013 at 10:34 AM #

    Exactly 44!. I think others took my comment out of context. I like DD and I think he can get this program in the right direction. These type of fluff articles don’t do much for me in convincing me he is the “man”. I have heard this song before.

    Let me ask you this. Would you rather have the starters get the extra snaps and go to Tallahassee and pull off the upset with potential recruits watching them? Maybe start a small winning streak or send them this article and say look you get to practice during the bye week. I understand that is overly simplistic view. Those guys have to develop sometime I just dont think this method is all that unique.

  17. PoppaJohn 10/18/2013 at 11:13 AM #

    I like the idea. It’s a “building a program for the long haul” concept. The kind of thing that can only benefit.
    I also like the comment that DD enjoys the one-on-one interaction with the players. We want a player’s coach.

    As frustrating as it is for us all, we’re trying to make a massive shift here, to become a long term quality program. Something we haven’t sustained in many years. It takes a long time, good ideas, the right administration, great coaches, recruiting, planning and effort. Any success we have this year and next is a bonus. That following year we’ll start seeing DD’s recruits in most of the positions, recruited to play his style of ball, and to win his way. Many of whom will probably go through this red shirt program. That is when we can fairly determine if we have the coach we hope he is.

    For now, we have an average defense and a very thin offense with some talent in spots. If Mitchell and some of the OL can get back to playing well, we might eek out a couple of games yet this year. But make no mistake, we really won’t know what we have for a couple of years.

  18. Alpha Wolf 10/18/2013 at 11:19 AM #

    This was always going to be a transition year — TOB’s cupboard was going to bare if he stayed, and Doeren is having to play the talent he inherited. Difference is that Doeren and his coaches are gathering up some decent talent as opposed to 15 projects and 10 players who might be good backups after a redshirt year.

    You can say that it is a “feel-good” story to coach up the redshirts, but in reality it’s a good idea to do so, because those are the kids that will matter next season. Doeren and company are giving them a headstart and at the same time making sure that they feel included, which only adds to the team concept.

    Compare and contrast to a head coach that refused to speak directly to one of his players after practice and instead insisted that the kid follow a chain of command and talk to his position coach who would then talk to the coordinator who would talk to the head coach if he felt it warranted. Talk about “isolating.”

  19. TheCOWDOG 10/18/2013 at 1:48 PM #

    Jesushchristinasidecar. It’s a bye week story. What the the hell kinda write up ya think you’re gonna get.

    There’s so much good in the philosophy from over on Trinity Rd. that it cannot possibly fail.

  20. compsciwolf 10/18/2013 at 2:00 PM #

    Let’s not also forget the recruiting aspect of this. While not always true, it is mostly true that if you’re redshirting, you’re just out of high school and you likely still have friends back in high school. Now you’re a recruit and your friend is telling you what it’s like to be a redshirt at NC State vs. being a redshirt else where. Which place do you choose?

    Is this going to make a difference to the star players? No, but where it makes a difference is in the quality of the backup players and the depth you build.

    I also don’t see this as a zero sum issue where the starters are missing reps while the red shirts get reps. There is only so much practice time allowed and every team uses some of that time to do strength and conditioning. The starters still get that. The redshirts miss that, but get more valuable coaching. And hopefully it carries over to them doing more strength and conditioning on their own, b/c they know they are valued. In the end, everyone on the team becomes better.

    Also consider this: the better your redshirts the better your practice squad, so the better the competition is in practice, the better prepared the team is for game day.

    This is smart coaching.

  21. JohnGalt78 10/18/2013 at 4:32 PM #

    Zero Dark Turd-day …. way to go cheaters!

  22. tjfoose1 10/18/2013 at 6:24 PM #

    ” Is there a limit to the number of graduate
    assistants a team may have?”

    Yes. It used to be 2, but I think the NCAA doubled it to 4 last year.

  23. tjfoose1 10/18/2013 at 6:29 PM #

    Am I the only one who finds the humor in u*nc using the “zero dark” term?

    Liberal Berkeley East with past history of not so military friendly using a military term that refers to the early morning (after midnight) pre-dawn hours for a 730pm game.

    All to nationally promote and spotlight a program that exposed the university for the fraud that it is, while it competes against The “U”. Old meets new.

  24. choppack1 10/18/2013 at 6:49 PM #


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