Good News/Bad News

According to the N&O, Wolfpack QB Mitchell ’50-50′ for Saturday’s game.

Mitchell wore shoulder pads and a helmet but was in shorts at Tuesday’s practice while the rest of the team had on full pads. Mitchell said it felt great to get back on the field with teammates but he still hasn’t really tested his foot at full speed.

He’s one tough kid:

Mitchell threw for 93 yards and ran for 19 yards and led the Wolfpack to a pair of touchdowns on the first two drives of the season in a 40-14 win over Louisiana Tech on Aug. 31.

After the third series, Mitchell went to the locker room. He came back out in the second half and was on crutches. He said Tuesday he suffered the foot injury on the first series of the game.

Oh yeah, I knew it right away,” Mitchell said. “I kind of knew right then it was broken. I didn’t want to come out so I played the next two series.

The third series, it was just too painful to keep playing, so I pulled myself out.”

Personally I wouldn’t risk him at all during the Syracuse game, get the bye week and then wait until after FSU pulls their starters before inserting him into the game so he can work the kinks out and be ready to go against *NC the next week.

More good news/bad news:

Mitchell was one of several key players missing from the offense in a 28-13 loss at Wake Forest this past Saturday. Receiver Rashard Smith, who tweaked his right knee against Wake Forest, did not practice on Tuesday.

Running back Matt Dayes (ankle) and receiver Marquez Valdes-Scantling (hamstring) are expected to play against the Orange.

Rob Crisp must have the mother of all concussions.

Left tackle Rob Crisp will miss his fourth straight game with concussion issues, Doeren said.

Meanwhile Brett Friedlander says Wolfpack expectations, at least the realistic ones, don’t change with loss at Wake.

Also, Bud Poliquin has the Orange fitting in perfectly with the mediocricy that is ACC football as The Syracuse football season is about to enter the ACC’s ‘Land of the Middling’.

Assuming we can agree that knocking off No. 6 Florida State next month in Tallahassee would amount to the bug shattering the windshield, that would mean triumphing in at least four of the six 50-50 games remaining on the schedule. That would give this Blue squad the 6-6 record it would need to earn postseason eligibility for the third time in four years and inspire another round of huzzahs.

And, why not dream? None of those half-dozen opponents — North Carolina State, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Maryland, Pittsburgh or Boston College — looks at all like Peyton Manning’s Broncos. And while it’s true that SU doesn’t, either, there are these two facts:

(1) After five contests with, pretty much, preordained results, there bodes to be those half-dozen affairs stretching from here through Thanksgiving Weekend, that promise more than a bit of intrigue for Shafer’s gang and the fans who follow it. And,

(2) Because those six foes, all ACC brethren, are an unremarkable 19-11 with losses by scores of 63-0, 56-7 and 35-7, and with victories over Elon and Old Dominion and Presbyterian, the Blue can and should take on each of them with an optimist’s assurance. A pearl in every oyster, right?

“We came real close to making it an interesting ball game,” Macky MacPherson, the senior center, maintained after Clemson had racked up 624 yards of offense and could have —could have — hung 13 more points on the board that would have given the Tigers 62 altogether. “There are a lot of learning experiences that we got out of this.”

Macky and his mates will probably need to call on them this weekend in Raleigh where the first real “who’s-gonna-win?” bout of the campaign will be waged against N.C. State, which has already fallen to Wake Forest, which has already been slammed by Boston College, which has already lost twice … blah, blah, blah. More such tilts will follow in the ACC’s “Land of the Middling.” The mystery, the fun, begins.

Syracuse isn’t immune from the injury bug either, Syracuse loses senior starter CB Keon Lyn for the year.

Scott Shafer said Lyn has a “lower-body injury that is going to require some surgery” and the school confirmed that the rehabilitation process will keep him out for the rest of the 2013 season. The senior cornerback from Mirmar, Fla. has been a three-year starter, and at this point in the season it is likely that his career with the Orange is over.

Fellow cornerback Brandon Reddish was listed as a game-time decision to start against Clemson. The junior dressed for the game but did not play in the 49-14 loss. With Lyn gone, he may have to start opposite Ri’Shard Anderson. If not, Syracuse will likely move sophomore Julian Whigham, Lyn’s backup on the depth chart, into the starting lineup.

About 1.21 Jigawatts

Class of '98, Mechanical Engineer, State fan since arriving on campus and it's been a painful ride ever since. I live by the Law of NC State Fandom, "For every Elation there is an equal and opposite Frustration."

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27 Responses to Good News/Bad News

  1. nav 10/09/2013 at 8:30 AM #

    Crisp has a concussion that only one could get at NC State.

    With only 7 games left in Mitchell’s college career, I’m sure he’s willing to risk the foot to get back on the field. It’s not like has next year to worry about or NFL scouts to impress.

  2. packalum44 10/09/2013 at 8:43 AM #

    “Rob Crisp must have the mother of all concussions.”

    I wonder if you would say that if it was your son. Until very recently 90%+ of football players came back too early from concussions. Most probably still do. It can be deadly over the long run, especially for someone like Crisp who has a professional future ahead of him and lots more opportunities to damage his brain.

    “Wolfpack expectations, at least the realistic ones, don’t change with loss at Wake.”

    I love how so many people are so friggin’ smart that they predict 6 wins or so but we are favored to win Wake and Syracuse and likely most of the remaining games on schedule. Bet money and get filthy rich or shut up.

  3. BJD95 10/09/2013 at 8:56 AM #

    I like your Marshall return plan. Makes the most sense to me.

    There are three goals for the season, in order of priority:

    1) Lay the foundation for the future, in terms of work habits, character, and system.

    2) Beat the Holes.

    3) Qualify for a bowl and get extra practice time.

  4. vtpackfan 10/09/2013 at 9:18 AM #

    I’ll be there on Saturday and selfishly would like to see Mitchell back in the pistol formation. Those opening drives were as electrifying as any I’ve recently witnessed.

    With Valdes-Scantling back in we present defenses a problem of having to defend an explosive receiver with size and does not shy away from getting physical. Minus the fumble against Richmond he has been fantastic. He and another freshman WR Ramos are legit.

  5. 1.21 Jigawatts 10/09/2013 at 9:21 AM #

    “I wonder if you would say that if it was your son.”

    Lighten up Francis.

  6. Wulfpack 10/09/2013 at 9:37 AM #

    You can look at his return in different ways. Of course, what is most important is his health for the remainder of the season. We really need to beat Cuse. Mitchell or not, FSU is going to be a tall order.

  7. PoppaJohn 10/09/2013 at 10:06 AM #

    Freidlander article – that’s probably fair, we have a shot at 6 and a bowl. But that’s about it. Coaching change, injuries, and not exceptional talent to start with.

    Mitchell return – Assuming it is not detrimental to his progress, I suggest that DD have him ready to play against SU in case Pete can’t get it done. Otherwise let him rest. According to everything we read, this game should be winable. We need this one to have a shot at a bowl.

    The reality is that, if DD is going to build a winner at State, it will take a 2-3 quality recruiting classes to get there. If we get there at all (BIG IF), few, if any, of the guys playing Saturdays now will be on the field then.

  8. 44rules 10/09/2013 at 10:31 AM #

    Does anyone else find it totally appropo that the lede photo in the Friedlander article is a Pack receiver dropping a pass?!

  9. TheCOWDOG 10/09/2013 at 10:36 AM #

    Only 66% of NCAA schools utilize the pre-season baseline / post concussion test for returning an athlete to the field. That’s down right criminal of the remaining 34%, and of the NCAA for the lack of universal mandate.

    Obviously, State is one of the good guy programs.

  10. El Scrotcho 10/09/2013 at 11:49 AM #

    I wonder where Crisp is in the process. If he hasn’t been able to do much activity for a month, that’s a long enough time to really lose the edge. So even when he’s cleared you’d have to temper your expectations.

  11. Greywolf 10/09/2013 at 11:55 AM #

    “Does anyone else find it totally appropo that the lede photo in the Friedlander article is a Pack receiver dropping a pass?!”

    Indeed Cherry was “wide open” but what the picture did not say was the pass was not on target and Cherry had to put on the brakes to allow the ball to catch up to him causing him to be in an awkward posititon. The picture did show the sun was directly in his eyes according to the position of Cherry’s shadow but no mention was made of this by the caption writer or 44rules.

    All in all what was said by both the caption writer and 44rules were cheap shots. I can see the caption writer saying what he saw but I don’t see a Pack fan taking a cheap shot at a freshman receiver.

  12. Texpack 10/09/2013 at 12:22 PM #

    “Rob Crisp must have the mother of all concussions.”

    UH just had their QB end his career from a concussion yesterday.

    David Ash, the Texas QB, will miss his third game (but a total of four weeks due to a bye week) with lingering effects of a concussion.

    I agree with CD on this one. These kids shouldn’t turn themselves into Jello brains over CFB. They have too much life left to live

  13. JohnGalt78 10/09/2013 at 12:56 PM #

    FYI, David Glenn is in pathetic damage control mode re UNCheat tutor who resigned over disgust with PJ Hairystone. Bashing the cramp out of him.

  14. phillypacker 10/09/2013 at 12:58 PM #

    Did anyone else see the Frontline documentary “League of Denial” on PBS last night? It documents how the NFL lied and continues to lie about concussions and their long term effects on football players. The doctors in the documentary, doctors funded by the league, say that college and high school football players have and can sustain CTE, a brain trauma that has led to a host of suicides from NFL alums and caused the death of players at the college and high school level. They recommend that kids not be allowed to play tackle football until after age 13 because of the nature of brain development before that age. It was fascinating to see the brains of people from Junior Seau to Andre Waters to Mike Webster and see how the brain images for the suicidal players all showed the same characteristics.

  15. SaccoV 10/09/2013 at 1:53 PM #

    Missed it PhillyPacker, but have it recorded. JG78, can you provide an example or two? I hate DG, and his usual MO is to downplay the severity of the problem (he was among the ‘Friday’ crowd) or to play his lawyer card despite having no real support for his claims.

  16. PackerInRussia 10/09/2013 at 2:05 PM #

    Don’t know why we need Mitchell when we’ve got Wheels Thomas handling the duties.

  17. PackerInRussia 10/09/2013 at 2:13 PM #

    Oh, and I love the modern-day optimism by Macky MacPherson: “We came real close to making it an interesting ball game.” We used to call a 49-14 loss a butt-whoopin’. Accentuate the positive.

  18. vtpackfan 10/10/2013 at 7:33 PM #

    Looks that Dontae may get in there at FS with Byrd doubtful. Would be an interesting move in that we would have an inexperienced corner on the field side where they are likely to have to provide some run support. Cuse rushed 41 times last week.

  19. Greywolf 10/10/2013 at 8:26 PM #

    “In the stands” which includes watching TV, streaming video and listening to the radio, all I can do is watch one play after another. In hindsight I can ~sometimes~ see how one play sets up another, but I can’t be inside the thinking of the coaches. When I saw Thomas ‘quick-kick’ I was not privy to Canada’s thinking. Later I wondered what Canada’s thinking was.

    One possibility is that something was being set up for later in the game or future games. What I’m sure of is this: it wasn’t stupid or thoughtless as some “experts” have thoughtlessly and stupidly concluded.

  20. tookandsaid 10/11/2013 at 1:35 AM #

    I say – dress Mitchell

    If it looks bad at the half – warm him up and give him a chance

    Syracuse – is one of the 6 needed in my opinion

    I’m optimistic – but get the wins when we can – and should

    As for Crisp – I think that’s a funny comment – and true – as to “only a WOLFPACK player could have “”the mother of all concussions”””

    Hope he gets well soon – but I think we will be fine – seeing Thuney play

    Anyway – ill be in my seat – for the full game Saturday (for Doeren)
    Hope u all will be too

    Lets show these recruits at the game – how much we love OUR STATE


  21. Greywolf 10/11/2013 at 4:40 AM #

    Out for the season
    Logan Winkles, FB

    Out for Game:
    Darryl Cato-Bishop, DE
    Rob Crisp, OT

    Doubtful for Game:
    Jarvis Byrd, S

    Questionable for Game:
    Brandon Mitchell, QB
    Rashard Smith, WR

    Here is the injury report for Saturday’s game. This list only includes players who were starters at the time of their injury.

    We have 3 out for the game and 3 doubtful or questionable. The doubtful and questionable may or may not play but are for sure not up to full speed.

    I had hopes for this team and the abilities of the staff to coach them up. I don’t believe that play calling, enthusiasm or black magic can overcome the injury situation. No matter how bad Wake Forest was or Syracuse is on paper our depth is insufficient to offset the loss of 3 to 6 starters.

    Thankfully, I am not one of the elite who can only watch nationally significant games so I will be in C-F cheering for the Pack, not matter what. I’ll also give a cheer for Mr. COWDOG when the ’73 team is introduced.

  22. Master 10/11/2013 at 9:23 AM #

    In the N&O article, Coach Doeren says that Jarvis Byrd will see a specialist about his knee. I take that as very bad news for Jarvis. I really feel bad for that kid. He has blown out both knees and is down again. I hope he gets better.

  23. 44rules 10/11/2013 at 10:29 AM #

    Well, I tried this response once, but it didn’t take, so I’ll try again.

    Mr. Greywolf, your eminence, I have no desire to get in a tit for tat with such an esteemed member of this board. However, in the cosmopolitan metro of Atlanta, the game wasn’t televised. It was blocked out on ESPN3, and what sketchy Internet feed I could get was worthless. So I did not see the play in question. My comment was simply a reference to the fact that in numerous preceding seasons, the games that I have been able to see (in person or on TV) have supplied numerous examples of Pack receivers dropping catchable passes. From your description, this particular example was a difficult pass to catch, which means it wouldn’t fit within the herein described parameters. That said, with our history of olive oil-fingered receivers (which I dearly hope and pray to the Almighty is changing), I think the notion that it’s a gratuitous cheap shot is faulty. More correctly, I was calling attention to a pattern that has been viable for years. If this indeed was a catchable pass, I retract the comment for this particular instance – but certainly not for noting that such behavior has been exhibited time and again.

  24. DC_wolf 10/11/2013 at 10:51 AM #

    The ultimate good news would be if we can get by the ‘scuse on Saturday – the opposite being the ultimate bad news: the way the rest of the schedule shapes up we may struggle to make a bowl. Not really a heartbreak this year because of the change in staff & personnel, but as others have pointed out the additional practice and recruitment opportunites go with it.

    As for Mitchell, we may need to view him as the backup @ this point even if he does suit up: he’s missed virtually half the season & I’m not convinced that peg is 100% – just speaking as someone whose home NFL team has a QB that is less than 100%…

  25. JackWolf 10/11/2013 at 11:01 AM #

    Hey All, Just wanted to let you know we moved to a new/faster server and might have lost about 10 comments in the transition. Sorry for the inconvenience hopefully things will be much faster and smoother around here now.

    Go Pack.

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