He was in.

The reasonable among us aren’t arguing that line judge Richard Misner’s blown call cost State the game — we knew we’d have to keep scoring to win that game. But it’s entirely fair to say it shifted the momentum of a tight, hard-fought game squarely into Clemson’s favor.

This is all hypothetical, of course, but it gives you a good idea of how this call changed the game. Assuming that Misner’s bad whistle doesn’t blow the play dead and Underwood’s TD stands, and the next few series remain similar, then here’s how the game could’ve looked different:

*Assuming a good PAT, State leads 14-13 with 7:31 remaining in the third quarter.

*We eliminate Clemson’s quick score after this because the fumble at midfield never happened. On its next possession, Clemson scores a touchdown after a 10-play, 3:33 drive and leads 19-14 lead (remember, they went for two).

3:58, 3rd quarter

*Then, State manages that same 23-play, 7:37 drive, ending in a touchdown and a 21-19 lead.

11:21, 4th quarter

*At this point, State’s ensuing kickoff likely gives Clemson a long field, just like they’d had much of the night (to that point, Clemson had started inside its own 25 a total of five of its nine possessions). Clemson takes over, trailing 21-19, and begins its drive while swarmed by a deafening Carter-Finley stadium. It’s entirely likely Clemson would’ve scored on that drive, and took the lead, either 22-21 on a field goal or 27-21 on a touchdown (at that point they go for two, and assume they convert).

*But, the difference is now State would’ve had, at the very least, a chance to stop them on that drive, and/or score on its next possession. Either of those scenarios puts State in the driver’s seat down the stretch.

Instead, the touchdown run is called back, State fumbles three plays later, and Clemson throws a touchdown with 6:52 remaining in the third quarter to lead 20-7 and take control of what had to that moment been anyone’s game. Momentum matters, especially playing at home.

State was playing well enough to, at the very least, deserve the chance to determine the outcome — win or lose — on its own. And that chance was taken away by Misner’s bad call.

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65 Responses to He was in.

  1. Packroller24 09/20/2013 at 3:21 PM #

    Let’s not forget that on the quick drive after the blown call Justin Burris got injured. Both of their passing touchdowns after the call were on the backup corner that would not have been in the game had Burris not been hurt.

  2. Pack85EE 09/20/2013 at 3:32 PM #

    I did notice there are sites with still shots and one of them shows a foot over the white line. So I studied the replay to understand that photo shot. On the point of contention, the specific right step, in video you can see his right foot circle out over the line and come back in as he maintains balance and speed down the sideline. So apparently in that one still shot Bryan’s foot is above the ground. That’s your talking point in case any A$$ hole you guys may bump into tries to say otherwise.

  3. tractor57 09/20/2013 at 3:47 PM #

    Looked like a blown call to me. Conspiracy? Possibly but more likely a simple screw up. Did that single play cost the game? Probably not as there were enough bonehead penalties too offset the lost TD.

    All that said I’m proud of the effort if not the result. I also love coach D’s comments after the game – TOB brought up a level and I really think coach D can help us take the next step. Love the fire.

    I was pleased overall with Thomas’ play (the fumble being the exception of course). I was really please with the DL and generally pleased with the OL. RBs and ends did decently well. Linebackers not so bad. Secondary was weak (we already knew that) but I suspect they will not see as tough a test in most games this season. I really appreciated the improvement from game 2 to game 3 – next will be can we keep those gains.
    Overall I’m happy except for losing to the tiggers – always hate that.

  4. old13 09/20/2013 at 4:26 PM #


    Has anyone heard the extent of injuries from last night regards availability for CMU?

  5. oakcity 09/20/2013 at 4:27 PM #

    LRM, that sounds like a much more entertaining game than the one that I watched. And sounds like a game that would showcase a conference in a good light on the national stage. Too bad we couldn’t have watched that. A 4th quarter tight game under the lights at Carter-Finley is truly a sight.

    Every kid just wants a fair shot to decide the game on the field. That was taken away by a lazy ref’s mistake. Bummer. I guess you have to move on, but that game easily woulda, coulda, shoulda been a classic if they had been allowed to compete fairly.

  6. highstick 09/20/2013 at 4:44 PM #

    Did you guys hear Dabo had emergency surgery this morning?

    A horseshoe and 2 ACC officials were removed from his rectum!!!

    I’m not claiming any type of moral victory, but I was pleased that a very young team gave them a fit last night and could have pulled it off if the TD had not been called back. You could see doubt in Tajh’s eyes and mannerisms.

    Defensive game plan was very good…Keeping the heat on Boyd is the key to disrupting their entire offense.

  7. redcanine 09/20/2013 at 5:00 PM #

    I’m sorta over the bad call. What surprised me the most about that play was how Underwood ran away from the Tigers’ secondary. They couldn’t catch him!

    Where did Mike Rose come from? He was impressive.

  8. doug 09/20/2013 at 5:09 PM #

    Good effort by the pack. Terrible call by the ref. Upper Cut that should be the season for the tigger that did it . Video shows him and another player laughing afterwards. No place for that.

  9. Tuffy2 09/20/2013 at 5:45 PM #

    Great effort by the team and we should just think how we will be in the next few years.
    Of course the play should have been a touchdown but what really killed us was us. Too many penalties exactly when they did not need to be called. There are penalties and then there are penalties. The one’s that stop a drive at a critical point in a game are what hurt just as bad as the now famous bad call. IMO.

  10. choppack1 09/20/2013 at 5:57 PM #

    I thrilled with performance of team and staff yesterday. Hopefully, we can build off that effort and not let the frustration of an awful call be a turning point to the negative.

    It’s a shame. The ref had zero business making the call since he didn’t have the best view. I somehow doubt the conference will do anything. Whether it was incompetence or something more sinister, it’s always a bit odd that the “favored” team is getting the break and the underdog is getting the shaft.

  11. vtpackfan 09/20/2013 at 5:57 PM #

    Our OL is getting unreasonably thin in the two deep. We simply can’t afford a single injury more.

  12. bill.onthebeach 09/20/2013 at 6:10 PM #

    that’s right… the ref ‘hosed’ us…
    that’s right… it’s part of the game…
    that’s right… Clempson tiggers always “keep it classy” in the fourth quarter…
    that’s right… “it will all be over by Friday”….
    that’s right… Dr.Debbie is on the warpath…
    that’s right… Coach DD ain’t TOBing….

    that’s right… theACCboys in G’boro ain’t going to do shat…

    and most importantly…
    that’s right… everybody, and I mean everybody, that is a true Pack Fan is damn proud of how ALL of our boys played last night from beginning to end… and also of ALL of our football coaches with their preparation and their in game adjustments and ALL of their post game comments….

    so now…WTF else are we supposed to talk about until next weekend ?????

    GO Yellow Jackets !


  13. choppack1 09/20/2013 at 6:31 PM #

    Acc just released a statement and let’s just say that wolfpack nation will not be pleased and should make some futile gesture.

  14. lush 09/20/2013 at 6:52 PM #

    As someone else mentioned, the “one angle” that shows what appears to be out of bounds, was before his foot actually hit the ground.

    Since there were 20 or so angles that showed in bounds, and 1 that appears he was out of bounds, the ACC response is that it’s not clear.


  15. choppack1 09/20/2013 at 6:56 PM #

    It’s really unbelievable.

    So – there is zero evidence the official should have made the call..but apparently he was justified making a call. Folks, the acc just told us to…

  16. eas 09/20/2013 at 6:57 PM #

    I still don’t see how the announcers and the refs kind of brush off Mike Tyson being on Clemson near the end. That was an obvious and no holds bar punch to the chin! I know it was called and he was ejected last night (then he just stood on the side line having a good time) but dang nobody really seemed to care. Oh and I hope we don’t get those ESPN d bags anytime soon. I can’t stand Jessie pretty boy Palmer….

  17. eas 09/20/2013 at 7:17 PM #

    Weak answer by the ACC but then it was a blown call. We always get the bad end of the deal but I agree it’s simply a blown call (I don’t agree with the call though).

    Anyway, looking at the still photos linked off the ACC comments section I see where some folks say he is clearly out. BUT……it is a frozen picture that is distorted and if you look carefully at his foot it is also clear there ain’t NO FREAKING way Underwood’s foot is that wide! The picture is distorted and the white shoe blends in with the line even if his foot was off the ground. He was in and the TD should have been good. Blown call.

  18. GAWolf 09/20/2013 at 7:25 PM #

    Here is what is absolutely illogical and infuriating about the ACC’s terrible response. It’s a response structured in self-serving semantics rather than an acknowledgement that the situation was handled completely 100% horribly.

    The ACC says they’ve analyzed the play from every angle in every fashion. And they cannot tell whether he was in or out. They say all angles look like he’s in except one frame of one angle where it’s hard to tell. That’s the stupid frame you’ve seen the Heels (hilarious they’ve engaged themselves in this argument anyway–but they’re not or rival) and Tigers.

    One frame of maybe out versus clip after clip if obviously in. That, folks, is not “irrefutable evidence.” Thus, had the idiot who blew the whistle from his obstructed view position (not the guy with the better I obstructed position mind you) just dropped the bag where he thought the play was out, we’d go to the booth for the review on the TD.

    Without irrefutable evidence to the contrary, the TD stands.

    Therefore, even with the ACC and Swofford’s idiotic response they show just how incompetent and completely wrong they are.

    Gravely said Swofford marched rich over to Yow when he entered the room at a symposium today and whipped out his phone to, obnoxiously no doubt, show Yow that one frame of “maybe out” which somehow justifies the obvious error.

    I wish Yow had shoved that phone up his fat, old, big-headed Tar Heel ass so far he’d be chirping ringtones for a damned week.

    If she had slapped him and been arrested, I’d represent her for free. That offer is open-ended and stands for anytime she finds herself in the same room with that jackass in the future. It pissed me off hearing Gravely’s story so I know it had to enrage her. Luckily for Swofford, she’s more professional than most of us.

  19. MrPlywood 09/20/2013 at 7:27 PM #

    I asked in the other thread what the refereeing protocol is supposed to be on a play like that. There were two officials, one trailing with an obstructed view during the critical time, one leading with a better view but who occasionally turned his head to run the field. I’ve seen officials get together after a such play, discuss and pick up flags or otherwise change a call. I saw no such confab, and I’m wondering why not.

    This reminds of the Friday Night Lights scene where a ref signaled a completion on a pass that clearly hit the ground , and though everyone else saw it, none of the other refs did, so… “It was a catch, ref.”

    These days there are SO many ways to “get it right”, yet we still deal with incidents like this.

  20. bill.onthebeach 09/20/2013 at 7:33 PM #


  21. BJD95 09/20/2013 at 7:50 PM #

    I hate Swoffy and his cabal. Can’t wait for the Terps to win their court case and see the look on his stupid, fat face.

  22. TheCOWDOG 09/20/2013 at 8:02 PM #

    Graves is rocking the boss’s boat.

    Bought him a beer for that.

    Tough horse pill to swallow, but…

    ” Were you not entertained? “

  23. OwenDorm83 09/20/2013 at 8:03 PM #

    When the whistle blows, play over… Regardless… Bad break. But sometimes you have to make your own breaks. We’re so far behind them in talent/depth that we couldn’t make it happen.

    Dabo had some serious pucker factor last night, I bet…

  24. Pack Mentality 09/20/2013 at 8:08 PM #

    I agree with what Steve Logan said today. After that call it was game over, State had no chance. Clemson may have won anyway, but State was in the game getting ready to take the lead with a good chance. After a call like that against the underdog State it killed the momentum and deflated them so much that it was game over right at that second. No way the underdog can ever recover from a hose job like that. And that’s not on State – the laws of sports and momentum dictates that it is impossible to recover from that.

  25. Pack Mentality 09/20/2013 at 8:09 PM #

    Did anybody hear a whistle? The Clemson defense didn’t.

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