Tuesday Tidbits

NC STATE FOOTBALL

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Associated Press
N.C. State’s Glennon Next Up For Seminoles Pass Rush

The Seminoles (5-0, 2-0) have the league’s best defense and feature its two top pass rushers in defensive ends Cornellius Carradine and Bjoern Werner, who already have 13½ sacks between them. Florida State’s defense ranks first across the board in the ACC in all of the key defensive categories.

Most of the Seminole defenders are the same players who smothered the Wolfpack 34-0 a year ago, Glennon was sacked four times, intercepted twice and was held to a career-low 130 yards passing.

And this time he’ll be playing behind a beat-up, patchwork offensive line that will feature a different starting lineup for the fourth time this season.

“It’s going to be a challenge for those guys up front,” NC State coach Tom O’Brien conceded Monday. “We’ve got to be able to protect the quarterback and we have to be able to throw the ball.”

Matt Carter (TheWolfpacker.com)
Monday morning quarterbacking

Three things that did not work:

1. Defensive discipline

The defense was flagged for being offside six times Saturday, a simply inexcusable number of times. Three were declined because the play resulted in a touchdown (twice) and a long 41-yard gain. Junior corner David Amerson in particular was guilty of stopping on one offside penalty, allowing sophomore receiver Rashawn Scott to run free for a 76-yard touchdown.

Speaking of big plays, State’s defense allowed Morris to complete seven passes of 40 yards or more, helping him average a gaudy 28.3 yards per completion. That number is even more upsetting when you consider Morris had 26 completions (resulting in 566 yards). Then there were missed tackles and a dropped interception by senior safety Brandan Bishop at the goal line that bounced into the hands of Scott for a touchdown.

2. Offensive discipline

The Pack turned it over six times, although to be fair the last came on a desperate Hail Mary heave by Glennon. The Pack fumbled it four times, none of them more crucial than when Palmer was fighting for yards near the goal line and had the ball ripped out of his hands with 5:32 left in the second quarter. If Palmer holds onto the ball, State probably gets a touchdown to close the gap to 23-21 at halftime. He fumbled the previous game against The Citadel in similar fashion.

Glennon’s late interception on a miscommunication with Palmer also set up the winning score. Then there was redshirt junior guard Duran Christophe’s costly holding penalty with the Pack down 23-21 in the third quarter. His flag wiped out a seven-yard first down run at midfield by redshirt sophomore Tony Creecy and essentially killed the drive.

Glennon also let a semi-high snap go through his hands in the first quarter for a safety.

3. Special teams discipline

Amerson jumped offside on a field goal attempt in the third quarter, giving Miami a first down at the NCSU 4-yard line and setting up a touchdown to give the Canes a 30-21 lead. In the first quarter, freshman running back Shadrach Thornton had a block in the back that negated a 20-yard punt return by junior receiver Rashard Smith. Sophomore kicker Niklas Sade missed an extra point, and Palmer twice mishandled kickoffs to put State’s field position at inside its five-yard line.

PackPride.com
Depth Chart: NC State vs. Florida State

NOTABLE CHANGES
• Senior R.J. Mattes is now starting at left tackle.
• Sophomore Tyson Chandler has moved from left tackle to right tackle.
• Sophomore Cameron Fordham is now starting at right guard.
• Junior Duran Christophe is starting at left guard.
• Sophomore Andy Jomantas is now backing up left and right guard.

Derek Medlin (PackPride.com)
PC: Wolff, Mattes Meet The Media

Derek Medlin (PackPride.com)
O’Brien: “Film Doesn’t Lie”

“(David Amerson’s psyche) is a work in progress. He’s going to be challenged Saturday. This is a team whose receivers top to bottom are as deep as anyone we play. Tennessee had two guys, FSU has 6-8 guys that can run and catch the football. It’s going to be a great challenge for him, he’s gotten away a lot from fundamentals, it’s been stressed the last couple of weeks, but if it doesn’t hit home after last Saturday it’s not going to hit home.”

“Film doesn’t lie. Mike Reed spent some time with (David Amerson) and I intend to sometime this week. It’s a question of fundamentals, he’s not reading the fundamentals he’s trying to make plays, trying to make every play instead of doing his job. If he does his job and 10 other guys do his job then we win the football game.”

“Florida State’s defense has great speed, and we saw that last year. We hadn’t played speed like that until we got to them last year, thank goodness we saw some speed and guys that could come off the edge with speed. We’re better suited to play them, but the problem is we’re starting our fifth different offensive line in six games. We only have one starter in the spot we want him in. We have to be able to protect the quarterback and we have to be able to throw the ball.”

“There is no definitive answer on (Zach Allen’s injury) other than that he is not going to be ready this week. I don’t know what the injury is. I don’t know if it’s out for the year or four weeks or two weeks. It’s obvious he won’t be playing this week. He and Andrew Wallace both got rolled up from behind, those are tough injuries to take. We’ll see where it is, I think they aren’t going to do anything because of the swelling until Friday.”

“We have nobody to blame but ourselves in losing to Tennessee and Miami. We feel that we lost them. I don’t think anybody in this building thinks we’ve beaten by anybody other than ourselves. That’s what is frustrating at this point, to make those 8 pre-snap penalties that we did on Saturday. We’ve been so good the last couple of years of being the least penalized team in the conference. To come away with as many penalties as we did Saturday, and then once again to be out of position and have the ball thrown over your head for a second week. The positives, we rushed the ball pretty good against a defense that had given up rushing yards when they played a true 11-man offense. The quarterback ran against them in the two other games.”

“Nothing on (Mustafa Greene) at this point. I will tell you when I have something, I promise you that. And I am a man of my word.”

“(Rob Crisp) went out and tried to do some things on Tuesday and couldn’t move on Wednesday, so he’s back to where we were. It’s always the case, you try it and see where you wake up the next morning.”

Adam Gold (WRALSportsfan.com)
Blue Devils on Bowl Watch; TOB looks the other way

Let’s get this out of the way very quickly: While he has a tremendous record of sustained success as a head coach, you have to believe that Tom O’Brien is coaching for his job over the next couple of weeks. In the Wolfpack’s second test against a high-caliber (athletically speaking) opponent, State came out on the short end of the deal. Against Tennessee, they really looked as though they just weren’t big, strong or fast enough to hang with a middle-of-the-pack team from the SEC. That was not the case against the Hurricanes. They looked like they belonged in Miami’s class. In fact, there was a lot to like from the Wolfpack, offensively anyway. They’ve got a nice stable of running backs and good enough receivers to move the ball. But, on the other side – my word!

David Amerson looks completely lost. There just isn’t enough talent in the linebacking corps, and this was as unfocused a team as I’ve ever seen in Raleigh. I’m sure film study and practice were a lot of fun on Sunday. It was the sloppiest game I’ve ever seen from an O’Brien-coached team, and that is as alarming as anything else that could have happened in Miami.

That’s a game the Pack should have won! Heck, they nearly did in spite of 14 penalties, six turnovers and a snap that Mike Glennon mishandled into a safety. This has to turn around, or I know someone who will almost certainly be making a list in December, and I’m not talking about Christmas shopping.

Nose dive of the week
Remember when Todd McShay said that NC State cornerback David Amerson was the third best NFL prospect in college football? Boy, that seems like decades ago. Let’s just hope that he hasn’t watched the Wolfpack’s first five games because we’ve seen far too much of Amerson’s back – chasing a receiver from behind. He’s looked unfocused, to put it mildly, and if NC State doesn’t get him turned around, his draft stock will evaporate along with their season. Sometimes there’s a reason players ring up a lot of interceptions. Sometimes it signifies that teams aren’t afraid to throw in their direction.

Sammy Batten (FayObserver.com)
N.C. State hopes to eliminate mistakes against No. 3 Florida State

“We have nobody to blame but ourselves in losing those two games,” N.C. State coach Tom O’Brien said Monday. “We feel that we lost them. I don’t think anybody in this building feels like we’ve been beaten by anybody, other than ourselves. That’s what is frustrating at this point to make those eight pre-snap penalties that we did on Saturday.

“We’ve got to figure out a way not to beat ourselves before we get a chance to win against a good football team.”

Senior safety and Hoke County High graduate Earl Wolff admitted the Wolfpack was down after the setback against Miami. But Wolff felt better about the team’s attitude after a players-only meeting Sunday.

“We made a lot of mistakes Saturday that shouldn’t have happened,” Wolff said. “So we had a meeting to find out where everybody’s mind are. We wanted to make sure everybody was on the same page. We know we messed up, so let’s go out there and fix it, and get this win Saturday to get us back where we need to be.”

Joe Giglio (N&O)
Pack’s Jim Ritcher had to adjust to offensive line

Caulton Tudor (N&O)
Undersized Ted Brown changed Holtz’ mind fast

ACC FOOTBALL

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Andrew Carter (N&O)
At Florida State, there’s hope the Seminoles are finally back

Ben Swain (accsports.com)
ACCross The Web, October 2

N.C. State defensive back David Amerson has been quite popular in the media lately, and this time it’s not for leading the NCAA in interceptions. First, a story broke last week outlining potential contact between Amerson and former Wolfpack wide receiver Eric Leak, who may or may not have been shopping around Amerson to NFL agents. First, it’s important to understand that there is absolutely nothing wrong with this story from an NCAA standpoint. The interesting aspect of this story is that Eric Leak had previously been served a letter of disassociation from N.C. State for providing star basketball player CJ Leslie Tracy Smith with improper benefits. Again, this is not an NCAA issue in any way, and there is really no clear understanding on what N.C. State can really even do to Leak to keep him away from its programs. Then later in the week, a second story broke from an agent who had been contacted by a man “shopping” Amerson, or asking for some form of compensation for delivering Amerson to the agent as a client. Evidently this practice is fairly common, and typically is done behind the back of the athlete being shopped without any knowledge whatsoever. “It seems like a lot is happening behind Amerson’s back without his knowledge these days”, said Miami quarterback Stephen Morris, probably. Amerson got burned so many times by Hurricanes receivers on Saturday that Eric Leak may serve Amerson with a letter of disassociation.

Jim Young (accsports.com)
ACC Football Power Rankings, Oct. 1

1. Florida State (5-0, 2-0 ACC)
Was it a thing beauty? No, it was not. But FSU’s 30-17 win at South Florida was a win on the road against a motivated, almost desperate opponent who had a roster full of players with chips on their shoulders, just dying to stick it to the big brother in-state school. So I’m going to give FSU a pass for not producing style points on Saturday. In the pursuit of a national title – and for right now, at least, the Seminoles are in that conversation – you’re going to have dud games that you have to figure out how to win. FSU did that against the Bulls.
Last Week’s Ranking: 1
Next Game: At N.C. State, 8 p.m.

5. UNC (3-2, 0-1)
This much we know: When the Tar Heels face an overmatched opponent, they look really good. That’s nice, but there are no more walkovers on the schedule. Now UNC gets ready to host a Virginia Tech that will show up in Chapel Hill with a lot to prove. The Tar Heels have to be encouraged by the progress of their defense, which has yielded just six points in the past two weeks after surrendering 67 in the previous two. Again though, consider the competition. Because UNC isn’t bowl eligible this season, quarterback Bryn Renner’s excellent first season (160.51 rating, 14 TDs, 4 Ints) in Larry Fedora’s offense hasn’t gotten much love yet. That’ll change if Renner lights up the Hokies.
Last Week’s Ranking: No. 5
Next Game: Virginia Tech, 12:30 p.m.

6. N.C. State (3-2, 0-1)
I wish had answers for you, Wolfpack fans, but I’m as perplexed as you. How does a team with State’s experience turn the ball over six times? How does a secondary that was allegedly one of the best in the ACC give up 566 yards passing against Miami? Who is the person impersonating David Amerson at defensive back? How do you rush for 224 yards and pass for 440 and still lose? Actually I can answer that one – turnovers. You’d think a team coached by someone with Tom O’Brien’s even-keel demeanor would be the epitome of consistency … but you’d be wrong. Which is my way of saying, don’t be surprised if the Pack gives FSU a scare this Saturday in Raleigh.
Last Week’s Ranking: No. 6

NC STATE BASKETBALL
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GoPack.com
C.J. Leslie Named A Preseason All-American By The Sporting News

Bret Strelow (FayObserver.com)
Sindarius Thornwell picks South Carolina over N.C. State

“I feel comfortable with Coach Frank (Martin) and I believe in him,” Thornwell told TheBigSpur.com, South Carolina’s 247sports.com site. “I feel closer to them than I do to North Carolina State.”

ACC BASKETBALL

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Laura Keeley (N&O)
Ex-Duke player Thomas says he’ll talk with NCAA

Even before the settlement, the NCAA faced a few significant hurdles in a potential investigation, including a four-year statute of limitations and lack of subpoena power. The jeweler declined to speak with the NCAA. Thomas does not have to – but it appears he will.

“I’m still working on that, but I’ll eventually speak to them,” Thomas told the Associated Press Monday.

When asked if he thought he violated any NCAA rules with his purchase, Thomas said he “didn’t think so.” He also told Steve Wiseman of the Durham Herald-Sun that he has not spoken with any Duke officials about the lawsuit and expressed regret about the trouble this has caused the university.

“I do feel bad that was something that was just lingering around the university,” Thomas said to the Associated Press. “But everything’s going to get taken care of the right way and I hope the coaching staff and the whole university knows that those were the best four years of my life.”

Associated Press
Lance Thomas says he doesn’t think he committed any NCAA violations

Thomas has settled the lawsuit which claimed he owed nearly $68,000 to Rafaello & Co. for a purchase made during Duke’s 2009-10 national championship season. However, he said some legal details still must be worked out, after which he expects to be more willing to meet with the NCAA and comment publicly in more detail about the matter.

“I do feel bad that was something that was just lingering around the university,” Thomas said. “But everything’s going to get taken care of the right way, and I hope the coaching staff and the whole university knows that those were the best four years of my life.”

“Everything will come out,” he added. “But it will come out on the better end, hopefully.”

Gary Parrish (CBSSports.com)
Emmert: NCAA doesn’t necessarily need Thomas or jewelry store to cooperate to punish Duke

NCAA president Mark Emmert said his governing body “certainly could” charge a member institution with rules violations even if the involved parties refuse to cooperate, in response to CBSSports.com asking Monday about reports that former Duke starter Lance Thomas purchased nearly $100,000 worth of jewelry during his senior season.

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“We certainly could deal with a case where we don’t necessarily have cooperation from the actors, but we still have to rely on facts and rely on well-established information,” Emmert said while making it clear he was speaking in general terms and not specifically about Duke’s situation. “It occasionally drives fans out there crazy because they’ll read in a blog or some other source that this or that happened. But the standards of evidence that we use are pretty darn high because we’re dealing with people’s lives here. … We have to go out and make sure we can verify all that facts, and that’s always a big challenge [without cooperation].”

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Emmert’s comments suggest the NCAA could still punish Duke if the facts of the case can be verified in another way provided they also place Thomas on the wrong side of the NCAA rulebook while he was a student-athlete. Whether they can and will remains unclear, of course. But the idea that Thomas and the jewelry store’s owners might not be essential to an investigation provides hope to those who think Duke should be punished because one of its players seems to have accepted extra benefits while still in school just like UMass was once punished because one of its players (Marcus Camby) accepted extra benefits while still in school.

Either way, Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski has declined comment on the matter. Asked if he thought Krzyzewski would or even should address the issue publicly given his stature within the sport, Emmert said simply, “that’s going to be up to [Krzyzewski].”

MULTIMEDIA/PODCASTS

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GoPack.com
Weekly Tom O’Brien TV Show

In this week’s episode head football coach Tom O’Brien breaks down the Miami game with host Tony Haynes. Mark Thomas visits with safety Earl Wolff and previews the Wolfpack’s next game against the Florida State Seminoles.

WRALSportsfan.com
O’Brien: improve or don’t play

Tom O’Brien is sending a message to his players. He wants them to get better or they will not play.

WRALSportsfan.com
Wolff: We had a lot of mental breakdowns

NC State safety Earl Wolff describes why the team played like it did at Miami and what they are doing to get better before FSU.

UNC FALLOUT

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Gary Parrish (CBSSports.com)
NCAA president Mark Emmert confirms North Carolina could face sanctions for academic fraud

NCAA president Mark Emmert told CBSSports.com on Monday that the NCAA hasn’t yet determined whether North Carolina will face additional sanctions because of allegations of academic fraud pertaining to former student-athletes.

“We’ll continue to monitor the situation and see what the facts are as they unfold from the investigations that [UNC] is involved with,” Emmert said. “… And [then we’ll see] if there’s anything further that we need to do at that time.”

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“[North Carolina is] working very diligently to get to the bottom of it,” Emmert said. “We’ll just have to see what the facts are as they become clearer.”

About 1.21 Jigawatts

Class of '98, Mechanical Engineer, State fan since arriving on campus and it's been a painful ride ever since. I live by the Law of NC State Fandom, "For every Elation there is an equal and opposite Frustration."

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23 Responses to Tuesday Tidbits

  1. TLeo 10/02/2012 at 7:23 AM #

    It sounds like the coaches are trying to address the problem with Amerson. I just hope he listens and just does his job instead of ball hawking.
    I hope the team meeting someone mentioned here does some good as well. I don’t see any chance of beating FSU ( I really hope I’m wrong) but after that game they have a chance to turn it around and have a decent season.

  2. Wufpacker 10/02/2012 at 7:33 AM #

    “[North Carolina is] working very diligently to get to the bottom of it,” Emmert said. “We’ll just have to see what the facts are as they become clearer.”

    If y’all will excuse me, I’m going to go over here and hold my breath.

  3. LifeLongWolf 10/02/2012 at 7:37 AM #

    I really hope that CJ Leslie and the rest of the BBall team are watching what happened to Amerson and the FBall team. Pre-season accolades mean nothing unless you work HARD to fulfill your potential. As a matter of fact, you probably need to work harder when you get pre-season awards, because you aren’t going to sneak up on anyone.

  4. Pack78 10/02/2012 at 7:43 AM #

    Jigs-Great stuff…I was at State during both TB’s and Ritcher’s careers-good football years. I think Ritcher became a pilot for American after his playing days in Buffalo.

  5. packalum44 10/02/2012 at 8:13 AM #

    Unbelievable that Emmert publicly acknowledges he’s allowing UNC to self investigate. Unreal.

  6. jljones 10/02/2012 at 8:16 AM #

    I sense a little change in TOB’s comments versus the past—I think he knows the jig is up and I for one hope he gone. He continues to show that he cannot get the job done in any phase. Loser coaches produce loser staffs and players. His non ability to adjust to the changing times has cost him his reputation and job!!

  7. Khan 10/02/2012 at 8:17 AM #

    ^ LLW, that was the first thing I thought. The kiss of death for the Wolfpack…lofty expectations for an individual or a team. There goes the basketball season.

  8. JohnGalt78 10/02/2012 at 8:18 AM #

    Ritcher still pilots for AA, flying the veer.

  9. JohnGalt78 10/02/2012 at 8:22 AM #

    I think Gott will manage player expectations (the big head) well. I think it also helps to have high quality commitments continuing to enter the picture as that serves to drive current players who might fear being benched for a newbie.

  10. Alpha Wolf 10/02/2012 at 8:37 AM #

    I think that Wolfpack hoops will be a roller coaster this year with some ups and downs. The team will be a work in progress for a bit, then strong, and hopefully, ready to roll at the end of February when it matter the most.

  11. Wufpacker 10/02/2012 at 9:20 AM #

    ^ Pretty much agree with that, but I’m *hoping* they’re ready to roll by mid-point of the conference slate.

  12. Classof89 10/02/2012 at 9:41 AM #

    I think our early season schedule will help with the “Amerson big head” syndrome. I mean, if we jet off to Puerto Rico in mid-November and get blown out by Ok. State or Tennessee in the final (or even worse) lose to Penn State or UMass before the final, I think that will do a pretty good job of grounding this team for the challenge to come. Biggest challenge for teams with talent but that haven’t yet “been there and done that” is learning that they still have to play hard every night, or even outmanned opponents will pop up at the worst possible times and bite you in the ass. That, IMO, is where Coach K is an absolute master.

  13. blpack 10/02/2012 at 10:27 AM #

    This is a smaller, close group who will push each other. The coaches know they can have an elite team by the end of the season if things come together. We have 4 players who are seasoned and the rest will learn on the job. The game at Michigan will be a huge early test.

  14. gcpack 10/02/2012 at 10:46 AM #

    TOB’s primary coaching characteristic is supposedly discipline. This is why (again supposedly) he never signs a 5 star player, very rarely signs a 4 star, and is overwhelmingly filled with some 3 and many 2 start players. I believe he has said something like he likes to take 2 stars and turn them into 5 stars.

    The assumption appears to me that he can selectively take the player that is the most conducive to the TOB discipline system and develop him into the really smart , efficient player.

    So what the hell is happening? The entire Miami debacle reminded me of the first home ACC game vs VaTech when Amato was coach. That was completely lost due to stupid inane presnap penalties as well as idiotic personal fouls. (Remember the lineman who pushed the official?) We would have won that game had the team been disciplined.

    So now TOB(Mr. Discipline)has the same result at Miami.
    So much for the low rated recruit we turn into a great smart player.

    This is clearly not working and before season began I was willing to accept no more than a 3 loss season when one considers that this year’s team was finally TOB’s ultimate team. Experienced o-line , disciplined & experienced defense and the only question was at linebacker. Looks like the question is dback now and their acts of complete stupidity as evidenced by the Miami game.

    Now we are looking squarely at a 4 loss season(FSU, Clemson are foregone conclusions) and likely a typical loss to someone else we should not lose to. Its happened every year. So another 5 loss season which is under whelming.

    Its time to get someone like Mark Gottfried who is not afraid to go after the big time recruits and at least give them a serious recruiting pitch. If we are still having discipline problems with the two star ,as we do now, why not get the more talented athlete? We will still not get most of the 4 and 5 stars but quite frankly TOB is just continuing the recruiting practices as if he were still at BC. He has not taken advantage of a larger, public university with the ability to admit the more athletic student.

    Anything worse than a 9-3 season makes me yawn and begs the question is N.C. State even interested in trying to be a perennial top 25 football program or not? Averaging 5.4 regular season losses in the last five seasons is not progress.

    Until we start recruiting the better athlete that a
    B.C. cannot admit we will continue to have to settle for the average 7-5 season. Ho Hum and no thanks.

  15. Wulfpack 10/02/2012 at 10:58 AM #

    That pretty much sums up my thoughts entirely, gcpack. Very well said and tough to argue with.

    This FSU game is huge for TOB, make no mistake. One last chance with a national audience. Won’t play anyone better than FSU all year. Statement game. Hope we come ready to play or it will be a very long night and an even longer year.

  16. Pack78 10/02/2012 at 11:47 AM #

    While the coaching leaves a lot to be desired (great example was the Duke game defense a few years back), it still really rankles me that the really great in-state players (like the TWO Frosh backs at UGA) do not even give us consideration, much less sign. The GottFather has shown what a quality coach and staff can do…

  17. Pack85EE 10/02/2012 at 12:31 PM #

    I’ll argue with you guys. A season starts bad and you are ready to fire the coach. You think football recruiting is instantaneous like in basketball where two players can make a huge difference. I am sure TOB will turn this season around and I am not writing off the Clemson game. I am not even writing off the FSU game because I think our conference is very weak this year. FSU only beast SFU by 2 touch downs. But as I have said before about recruiting, you have to win consistantly and then the players will come. That’s what Beemer did. That’s what TOB will do if you don’t fire him everytime his players choke. He is the best coach we have had since Lou Holtz. Sheridan was similar, a good disaplinarian, but talk about a predictable offense, Sheridan’s were always Run, Run, Pass on 3rd.

  18. JSRy2k 10/02/2012 at 12:39 PM #

    Love TOB’s comments on Amerson. Bishop was clearly frustrated in the Miami post-game interview as well.

    This is the crossroads where Amerson either mans up, learns his lesson, and launches into being a great all-around player or fades into oblivion trying to do too much himself.

  19. 1.21 Jigawatts 10/02/2012 at 1:20 PM #

    Pack85EE,
    I have to respectfully disagree with you about recruting and winning and the numbers prove it. His recruiting at State is trending in the wrong direction in a very bad way. Look at his time at BC and recruiting and results and compare them to his time at State. He’s not been able to duplicate his efforts. Add on top of it I recall the last 2 recruiting classes we may not have landed a single Top 30 player from the state of NC. Now I could be wrong on that but I don’t believe I’m that far off. Could he turn this season around and finish 9-3? Sure but after 5 games does anyone really believe that’s likely to happen?

    NCSU (TOB Era)

    2012 #61 Avg 2.64
    2011 #74 Avg 2.50 Record 8-5 (4-4)
    2010 #47 Avg 2.89 Record 9-4 (5-3)
    2009 #39 Avg 2.63 Record 5-7 (2-6)
    2008 #29 Avg 3.00 Record 6-7 (4-4)
    2007 #60 Avg 2.32 Record 5-7 (3-5)
    AVG #51.7 (2.66)

    NCSU (Amato)

    2006 #42 Avg 2.47 Record 3-9 (2-6)
    2005 #23 Avg 2.88 Record 7-5 (3-5)
    2004 #20 Avg 3.06 Record 5-6 (3-5)
    2003 #9 Avg 2.73 Record 8-5 (4-4)
    2002 #38 Avg 1.96 Record 11-3 (5-3)
    AVG #26.4 (2.62)

    BC (TOB)

    2006 #44 Avg 2.40 Record 10-3 (5-3) ACC
    2005 #58 Avg 2.38 Record 9-3 (5-3) ACC
    2004 #42 Avg 2.45 Record 9-3 (4-2) BE
    2003 #27 Avg 2.58 Record 8-5 (3-4) BE
    2002 #55 Avg 1.70 Record 9-4 (3-4) BE
    AVG #45.2 (2.30)

    2001 Record 8-4 (4-3)
    2000 Record 7-5 (3-4)
    1999 Record 8-4 (4-3)
    1998 Record 4-7 (3-4)
    1997 Record 4-7 (3-4)

  20. slowcredit 10/02/2012 at 2:48 PM #

    Pack85EE,

    “I’ll argue with you guys. A season starts bad and you are ready to fire the coach”

    It’s not “a season” – it’s all of them. . .

    5 years in and we’re 18-23 in ACC play – not a chance we’ll crack .500 after 6 years.

    8-4 / 9-3 and a good shot to win the tirebowl every year is just not what I want – or what any of us should accept from our program.

  21. fullmoon1 10/02/2012 at 3:20 PM #

    Re: Tom Obrien being a disciplinarian – you can have too much discipline, when this happens it tends to have the opposite effect. Maybe that is what we are seeing unfold.
    I don’t like Emmerts tone regarding the duke and *unc scandals, he is coming across as being reluctant.

  22. eas 10/02/2012 at 4:10 PM #

    I agree it is not just 1 season that starts this way it is all of them. Yet every year we find a way to win and go to the tractor trailer tire recap bowl. Here is a list of what we go through EVERY YEAR under the TOB era. (Bad and good points)
    1. Crappy start
    2. Slower and smaller teams
    3. Bottom of the barrel recruiting (maybe by choice but that still stinks)
    4. A program with little excitement
    5. Some of the weirdest playing calling….ever.
    6. Clean program
    7. Generally good student/athlete combo
    8. Absolute refusal to change anything with coaches
    9. Heading to year 6 and still we have Mike Archer! Really???
    10. Bible still is the most predictable play caller in college football.
    11. Really hasn’t achieved even BC level success with access to a bigger recruiting pool and better facilities, money and support.

    I like the guy as does most people. I just don’t know how we still have the same team now as we did after his first year. He just refuses to change anything or with the game itself.

  23. Virginia Wolf 10/02/2012 at 7:11 PM #

    Just read a reply to an article regarding Ga. Tech’s big loss this past saturday. Some Dude, said “If we keep Johnson, we’ll end up just like Duke, N.C. State and Texas Tech, happy with a 7-8 win season and a small insignificant bowl.” I’m not one that is happy with 7-8 wins a year. We need to at least reach for more. Our guys are just going through the paces with no passion or enthusiasm. Put some fire under the players and the coaches!!!

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