Roy Williams plays “Dodgeball” with Dan Kane

Dan Kane (N&O) got the opportunity to directly ask some pointed questions of UNC-CH head basketball coach Roy Williams on Thursday, at UNC-CH’s basketball media day.  How the now infamous Mr. Kane was able to gain access to the affair I’m still not sure.  The fact that he made it back off campus still breathing is a minor miracle I suppose.

Nonetheless, Ol’ Roy’s answers weren’t particularly forthcoming (  In fact his deflections say more about the state of things on the hill than any actual answers he gave (hint: there weren’t any)….

KANE : …. from 2007 to 2009, there were 23 enrollments of basketball players in these classes, but then they stopped. I was wondering if you or somebody in your operations saw a problem and looked into this?”

WILLIAMS:  …. To answer your question, I’m sort of tired of answering those questions. I think I’ve made a statement every time about we’ve tried to do everything the right way. I’d rather just leave it at that.”

Now, in the interest of full disclosure, that is not Coach Williams’ entire answer to that question.  However, I assure you that it’s as close as he ever came to answering it.  For the sake of brevity and bandwidth, the rest of whatever it was he said (I’m honestly still unsure quite frankly) was edited out by me.

But anytime anyone says “To answer your question”, and then follows it up with an obvious non-answer, I tend to be a little suspicious of anything else that might happen to find its way past their obvious conscious efforts at editing themselves.  Just saying.

You can read the rest of this “answer”, as well as the other questions and non-answers, at the link provided above.  Be sure to have the trusty CHeatspeak 5000 Translator handy, however.

As an aside, at one point Roy becomes a bit befuddled, and must be rescued by UNC-CH basketball PR man, Steve Kirschner, who also gives the traditional non-answer.  Though he is a bit more smooth about it.

Roy also goes on to admit in passing that he knew about the class, though I’m not convinced that even he realizes yet that he did so.  At the time he was too busy reminiscing about his own exploits at Carolina as a crappy “student” athlete.  Though stories of crappy “student” athletes in Chapel Hill have now become so commonplace, I’m not sure why he thinks anyone would care about that.

Kane’s N&O article, published Thursday evening, can be read here.  Perhaps the most telling part of the article has nothing to with anything Roy Williams avoided saying, but rather something that former UNC-CH guard and current director of basketball operations at UAB, Bobby Frasor seems to have volunteered rather easily for some reason….

One of the basketball players who took the class, Bobby Frasor, said in an interview last week that the instructor, Lt. Brian Lubitz, told academic counselors assigned to the basketball team about the class, and the counselors then recommended it to the basketball players. The class grade was largely based on a two- to three-page paper and a 20-minute oral presentation that was split among groups of five students. Students averaged a grade of 3.63, or nearly an A minus.

The current head of the Naval Science Department at UNC, Capt. Doug Wright, said the course work requirements in the class had troubled his predecessor, Capt. Stephen Matts, so much that Matts told subsequent instructors he wanted them changed. Course outlines later showed quizzes, tests and papers or presentations.

Wright said he would have made the same changes because the class as structured under Lubitz would make it hard to know whether the students were learning the material. Lubitz, who taught the class only once before leaving the university, has not responded to interview requests.

Most of you guys know me by now, and know that I do not believe in coincidences.  As such, I believe this particular nugget is a big deal.  For the record, these are the “coincidences” that bother me in this particular case….

1)  Why would a professor of a class, ANY CLASS, feel the need to contact anyone in the athletics dept. about anything, let alone to (allegedly) notify them of a class that is being taught?

2)  Why, after this (alleged) heads up by the class’ professor, was there an apparent rush by basketball players to suddenly learn about naval weapons?

3)  Why is the professor of that class no longer with the university?  But more importantly, if there were no improprieties, why won’t he answer the phone and say so?

4)  Why won’t Roy Williams answer a damn question for once in his life?  He talks about having answered these same questions repeatedly, yet all I’ve heard him say so far (ad nauseum) is that he feels good about what they’re doing now and that they’ve made some mistakes and that it apparently makes him sad.  Please, someone….if I’ve missed the repeated answers he’s given on this or any other related subject…..PLEASE speak up or point me in the direction of those answers.

My opinion on this is that this could well be the lynchpin that ends up pulling the basketball program into the fray in a very public and embarrassing fashion.  This smells to me like pretty much the same stuff we’ve heard before, yes.  But in this case it seems to be isolated to basketball players, as thirty of thirty-eight enrollments were Roy’s boys.

More than that however, if Bobby Frasor’s statement is to be believed and/or can be corroborated, the “pre-meditation” factor, to borrow a legal term, is quite obvious.

Organized.  Systemic.  Cheating.

Now the question becomes whether anyone, especially the NCAA, cares enough to even look into it.  I won’t hold my breath on that one.

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26 Responses to Roy Williams plays “Dodgeball” with Dan Kane

  1. tractor57 10/12/2012 at 3:04 AM #

    Lucky Kane did not get a BB up his ###.

    The more we hear the more this stinks to high heaven.

  2. Greywolf 10/12/2012 at 5:51 AM #

    Doesn’t the fact that 8 ‘regular’ students found out about this class and registered for it “prove” that there was nothing inappropriate going on?

    Move along. Nothing to see here.

  3. Wufpacker 10/12/2012 at 6:07 AM #

    I’m guessing that will be Emmert and Co.’s reasoning indeed, Grey.

  4. Lunatic Fringe 10/12/2012 at 6:37 AM #

    The “I was a crappier student than my players” defense by Roy. Nice!

  5. BJD95 10/12/2012 at 6:42 AM #

    You might remember Les saying the same thing when Chuck Kornegay (I roomed with a dude on the wrestling team at the time, who said that the other athletes referred to CK as “Mushmouth”) was suspended for academics. Just what you want, your head coach volunteering how f-ing stupid he is…

  6. NCSU88 10/12/2012 at 6:43 AM #

    Iwrote about this in the Roy Williams thread in the forums. Figure it fits here, too

    Roy Speaks about the Naval Weapons Class

    “I would have loved to have taken something like that (on naval weapons), and I don’t think it’s an aberration,” Williams said at a news conference to discuss the coming season.

    Doing some digging around on LT Lubitz, as he dragged the Navy into this. USNA class of 2000, Political Science, Naval Aviator, now works at Goldman Sachs
    Assigned to UNC March 2006-2009, MBA from UNC

    Did some charity work for make a wish foundation. – Good stuff and I won’t criticize the effort, but one must ask the question if favors were traded.

    Lubitz helps make a wish

    “3) Why is the professor of that class no longer with the university? But more importantly, if there were no improprieties, why won’t he answer the phone and say so?”

    Naval Science Instructor duty is usually a 3 yr tour. So, the instructor leaving is not an issue. I would like to know if the instructor taught any other classes after the spring 2007 semester. He was on the staff through 2009 before leaving the Navy.
    CAPT Wright is right in not talking about this. It happened on CAPT Matts’ watch. A problem was identified and corrective action was taken.
    If you want to go after someone, former LT Lubitz is your target.

  7. the_phisherman 10/12/2012 at 6:55 AM #

    Ol’ Roy is tired of “answering” these questions because he keeps having to think of new and interesting ways to avoid “answering” these questions. I’m sure he’s plenty tired of dancing around them.

  8. Lunatic Fringe 10/12/2012 at 6:56 AM #

    On the topic of Univetsity of North Caolina at Chapel Hill basketball craziness…

    How in the hell do you honor Harrison Barnes jersey? Jersey honors are UNC are now the participation trophy/orange slices of college basketball.

  9. Wufpacker 10/12/2012 at 6:56 AM #

    While I didn’t go out of my way to point it out, I hope it’s not lost on anyone that the paper and oral presentations for this class were a “group effort”. Took five guys to write each paper apparently.

    But at least that probably did cut down on the workloads for tutors.

  10. Rochester 10/12/2012 at 8:17 AM #

    I hope it’s not lost on anyone that the paper and oral presentations for this class were a “group effort”. Took five guys to write each paper apparently.

    This gave the “blue team” scrubbos an opportunity to provide some value to the team.

  11. Texpack 10/12/2012 at 8:21 AM #

    Nixon and Ron Ziegler couldn’t have handled those questions any better.

  12. Pack Mentality 10/12/2012 at 8:23 AM #

    I know the article is for July, but this is very interesting that states how Roy’s academic advisor from KU came with him to UNC, and resigned when the scandal became public. This date also is the same time that UNC basketball players quit studying AA. Very damning article that focuses on basketball and criticizes the timeframe of investigations as having dates that are centered on Butch Davis.

  13. RabidWolf 10/12/2012 at 9:40 AM #

    “I hope it’s not lost on anyone that the paper and oral presentations for this class were a “group effort”. Took five guys to write each paper apparently.”

    Umm…I don’t want to think about a “group effort” oral presentation regarding the UNX basketball team……

    Was that inappropriate?

  14. packalum44 10/12/2012 at 9:55 AM #

    I wonder if Jennifer Wiley was involved in any “group” efforts….

    Still want to see a picture of this cum dumpster.

  15. packof81 10/12/2012 at 10:02 AM #

    ““I would have loved to have taken something like that (on naval weapons), and I don’t think it’s an aberration,” Williams said at a news conference to discuss the coming season.”

    We don’t think it’s an aberration either. Apparently, classes like this were typical for your players.

  16. TOBtime 10/12/2012 at 10:02 AM #

    This cannot be making ‘ol roy feel any better about the future. Still getting questions.

    packalum44, there were some wedding gallery shots over the summer from a link on TOS. She is OK but not ALL that. I’m sure to little greg she was a slice of blue heaven.

  17. state73 10/12/2012 at 10:06 AM #

    Roy has always been, still is, and always will be a genuine a**hole!!

  18. old13 10/12/2012 at 10:17 AM #

    Roy obviously did take a military sniper course on evasion – or was that a U*NC-CHeat/Fraud PR consultant instruction!

  19. Wufpacker 10/12/2012 at 10:22 AM #

    Looks like I opened up a can of something with the “group effort” thing. Guess I shoulda seen that coming with this crew.

    Just please don’t now start up with anybody’s “opened up can”, OK?

  20. wardboy1974 10/12/2012 at 10:27 AM #

    One has to think that Roy will sooner or later “break” at a press conference and open up Pandora’s Box on UNC. The PR people can’t contain Roy if he gets to rambling while he is mad. I bet that after a loss, Roy gets asked about the scandal and the shit hits the fan. You can also bet that Dan Kane will be barred from anymore Roy press conferences!

  21. wardboy1974 10/12/2012 at 10:30 AM #

    Roy will eventually go off at a press conference after a tough loss if these type questions keep being asked. The PR machine at UNC can’t contain Roy when he starts rambling if you throw in some anger too. I bet Dan Kane will be asked to not attend any more of Roy’s press conferences.

  22. Virginia Wolf 10/12/2012 at 1:53 PM #

    Yeah, they’ll probably shut Kane out of future press conferences! ol’Roy just opens his mout and lets his brain fall out!

  23. 70wolf 10/12/2012 at 2:20 PM #

    would be nice to know the relationship of the 8 “students” and their relationship or lack thereof to the jocks enroleld in the class. My guess is they were their on campus “entourage” and their girlfriends. Work on it Kane – Your the man !

  24. graywolf 10/12/2012 at 5:40 PM #

    Dan Kane knows the truth. He’s going to keep plugging away until the facade falls away and he gets one of the biggest sports book deals of the last century. Keep at it Dan.

  25. mrwufabc 10/12/2012 at 9:20 PM #

    “3) Why is the professor of that class no longer with the university? But more importantly, if there were no improprieties, why won’t he answer the phone and say so?”

    Actually, we can do something about this if he is still in the Navy. He is subject to UCMJ and likely could be brought up on charges under an Article 15 in violation of Article 134. He is an officer and would most certainly have to answer for his behavior. Let me know if anyone really wants to pursue this. I actually know how to bring down some trouble for this instructor. I am a retired Army Officer and I take my oath very seriously. I love nothing more than busting out officers with weak morals. Just say the word.

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