Wednesday Woolgathering

March 7, 2012

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NC State Faces BC In Opening Round of ACC Tournament

NC State opens play in 2012 ACC Tournament on Thursday at 2 p.m. The Pack enter this weekend’s play as the No. 5 seed after finishing the ACC’s regular-season standings tied for fourth. NC State will face Boston College in its first-round match up which tips at 2 p.m., from Atlanta’s Philips Arena. The Pack enters the game on a two-game winning streak.

This is the first time that the Wolfpack and Eagles have met in ACC Tournament action. The two teams met twice in the regular season with NC State winning both games. In January, the Pack posted a 76-62 victory at the RBC Center and followed that with a hard-fought 56-51 win at BC’s Conte Forum in February. With the back-to-back victories, NC State has won four of the last five contests with Boston College.

• Thursday’s game will mark the first time that Boston College and NC State have met in the ACC Tournament.
• NC State sports a 3-3 record in ACC Tournament games played in Atlanta,
• Brown is five assists from tying Spudd Webb (199) for seventh on the Pack’s single-season list.
• Leslie is averaging 20.3 points and 10.5 rebounds over the Pack’s last four games .
• Richard Howell is the ACC’s third leading rebounder with an average of 9.3 per game.
• Reserve Alex Johnson averages 3.1 assists per game, while playing 19.8 minutes per contest, the ACC’s eighth best assist average.

Who will go pro from the ACC?

Breaking down the bubble and where N.C. State stands

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The Nebulous Case Of 9-7

In this blog post, J.P. Giglio offers up some good analysis of NC State’s bubble situation, with a comparison to the other ACC teams that finished 9-7 in league play in the post-expansion era. Here’s the comparison Giglio put together:


The records reflect each team’s win-loss record on Selection Sunday, so they include ACC Tournament results. Not surprisingly, all of the 9-7 teams that finished in the RPI top 40 received bids. If a power conference team finishes in the top 40, that team is usually a lock. It’s tough to differentiate the rest, though. The other six teams finished between 52-63 in the RPI, and every team except the 2011 Clemson team had at least one win against the RPI top 50.

Austin Johnson (
Breaking Down The Bubble

For Pack fans I think you have to hope that the committee places equal rate on SOS and road/neutral record as it does on performance against the top 50. Failing that they at least look at top 100 cumulatively because the Pack’s combined 5-9 record in those games would compare favorably with its direct competition.

To me, there is no question that Miami ranks behind State – nothing on their resume is good and their combined 3-10 record against the top 100 is worse than the Pack.

That said, if you are only picking four on this list I don’t think the Pack makes it right now if the selections were made today. It does, however, suggest that two wins in Atlanta could be enough – if luck keeps working on the side of bubble teams and mid-majors keep winning their respective conferences.



Eamonn Brennan (
College Basketball Bubble Watch

But their at-large résumé certainly is. Drexel failed to pick off a top-50 RPI opponent in the nonconference, and 15 of those aforementioned 27 wins came against teams ranked below the RPI top 200. Likewise, Drexel’s overall strength of schedule and nonconference mark are both outside the top 200.

If you’re so inclined — if you are, say, a fan of NC State or Northwestern or Texas or any of the other middling high-majors scrapping for position on the bubble cut line — it’s easy to make the argument that Drexel merely beat up on a bad league. And part of that is true.


North Carolina State [20-11 (9-7), RPI: 55, SOS: 22] For as ugly as the Wolfpack’s profile is, they did beat Miami twice this season. That sweep may give them the narrowest of head-to-head edges over the Hurricanes, but that’s damnation with faint praise: NC State is 0-8 against the rest of the RPI top 50, its best nonconference win came over Texas, and its RPI still isn’t great. It’s ugly stuff, the product of big missed opportunities down the stretch, and so NC State must likewise beat Boston College and then Virginia — and maybe even North Carolina in the ACC semifinals — to fight its way above the rest of the bubble mess.

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Jerry Palm (

It was a relatively quiet night in the bracket as four more bids were clinched. Detroit and Western Kentucky are new to the bracket after upsetting higher seeds in their tournament finals. South Dakota State and Harvard clinched as well. The Crimson clinched their first NCAA tournament berth since 1946 when Penn lost to Princeton.

Last four in: South Florida, California, Colorado State, Miami (FL)
First four out: Texas, North Carolina State, Oregon, Mississippi

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Bubble Watch
RPI Rankings (1-68)

NCAA Tournament “Dance Card”
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About 1.21 Jigawatts

Class of '98, Mechanical Engineer, State fan since arriving on campus and it's been a painful ride ever since. I live by the Law of NC State Fandom, "For every Elation there is an equal and opposite Frustration."

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22 Responses to Wednesday Woolgathering

  1. Trout 03/07/2012 at 8:46 AM #

    “NC State sports a 3-3 record in ACC Tournament games played in Atlanta”

    If that is true, then we are 0-3 in Atlanta since 1983, when we were 3-0 in route to winning the ACCT and then the NCAAT.

  2. tuckerdorm1983 03/07/2012 at 8:52 AM #

    would I take us making the NCAAT and Leslie leaving or making the NIT and Leslie staying? I would take the latter all day.

    From all I read, the only way to get to the NCAAT is to beat the Heels. That would probably do it. I just don’t see it.

  3. Trout 03/07/2012 at 9:01 AM #

    Happy 125th NC State:

  4. albunde6 03/07/2012 at 9:07 AM #

    Just so happy to be in the conversation about the NCAAT. The free press is fantastic. In one year we have made a hugh step toward relevant. I do believe the ACC needs us to be a part of the “madness”. As others have stated, we need two wins in ACC tournament at a minimum. 3rd win would seal the deal.

  5. 1.21 Jigawatts 03/07/2012 at 9:09 AM #

    “If that is true, then we are 0-3 in Atlanta since 1983, when we were 3-0 in route to winning the ACCT and then the NCAAT.”

    You are correct.

  6. Trout 03/07/2012 at 9:19 AM #
  7. BJD95 03/07/2012 at 9:21 AM #

    Yesterday’s Big East and A-10 first round action was supremely unhelpful.

  8. Trout 03/07/2012 at 9:35 AM # is incorrect. We are 4-4 in ACCT games in Atlanta:

    1983: 3-0 (beat Wake, UNC and UVA)
    1985: 1-1 (beat Clemson, lost to UNC)
    1989: 0-1 (lost to MD, as the #1 seed)
    2001: 0-1 (lost to Duke)
    2009: 0-1 (lost to Duke)

  9. 1.21 Jigawatts 03/07/2012 at 9:47 AM #

    Shocker that got something wrong.

  10. wolfie91 03/07/2012 at 10:13 AM #

    If I am counting correctly on wikipedia, the 12th seed is 4-2 against the 5th seed since the 12th team was added. Better take care of business Thursday.

  11. Six Pack 03/07/2012 at 10:39 AM #

    Yeah, and the last time we were the 5 seed we lost to 12th seeded Wake Forest in the Desert Fox’s last season.

  12. TheAliasTroll 03/07/2012 at 10:52 AM #

    Yeah I’m nervous about tomorrows game. We’ve got to win that one first of course, but I don’t think it’s a gimme. BC managed to beat FSU this season and gave us trouble earlier this year.

  13. old13 03/07/2012 at 11:29 AM #

    BC started the season with a mostly freshman rotation with some good talent, which now is essentially a more seasoned mostly sophomore rotation. BUT the Pack has also progressed greatly through the season. If the Pack brings the same game as the last two they played, a deep run into the ACCT is quite possible I think, if not probable. I’d like to get another crack at the Holes with Howell and Painter concentrating on rebounding and D (without fouling), letting the rest of the team do the scoring.

  14. 1.21 Jigawatts 03/07/2012 at 11:47 AM #

    Today’s games to follow:

    WVU vs UCONN (12:00)
    Seton Hall vs. Louisville (7:00)
    USF vs Villanova (9:00)
    Stanford vs Arizona State (9:10)

    – I have the feeling the loser of the WVU/UCONN game will still get an at-large bid.
    – Definitely pull for Seton Hall and USF to lose.
    – Pulling for Stanford to beat ASU is just icing on the cake for the day.

  15. motorhead 03/07/2012 at 12:30 PM #

    If we don’t get in, I hope Drexel gets left out too and we pound them in the NIT.

  16. Wufpacker 03/07/2012 at 12:32 PM #

    BC game worries me. I figure anytime NCSU has an opportunity for a WTF loss, a wise NCSU fan should be at least a little bit worried. Not securing the two (more likely three) wins in the ACCT needed to make the NCAAT is not a big deal IMHO. However, losing on Thursday to BC would taste awfully bad going down.

  17. BJD95 03/07/2012 at 12:53 PM #

    I know I should be worried…but I’m not. Which kind of worries me.

  18. Trout 03/07/2012 at 1:14 PM #

    ^ LOL

  19. Pack85EE 03/07/2012 at 1:18 PM #

    4-2 for 12 vs 5 seeds. That average can’t last. But it’s a good wake up call for our boys. One at a time. Let’s go pack!

  20. haze 03/07/2012 at 1:47 PM #

    ^^^ I’ll worry for you!

    We are better than BC but the hold & bomb O is no fun. It can stay very close for a long time and kill you if they’re hot.

  21. motorhead 03/07/2012 at 2:15 PM #

    How about cautiously optimistic?

  22. mak4dpak 03/07/2012 at 5:58 PM #

    Here in Atlanta and hoping we win the first 2 games, which we can. Then it will be the holes, that everyone fears. So when they lost by 33 was FSU scared? I say if we play the same defense as last game, Marshall surely can’t do us in again. And besides that, Wood was not playing well last time, and seems to have found his shooting touch again. But first things first. Beat BC!

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