Tournament Factoids Part 1: The Early Years

Some time ago I wrote a brief entry outlining a few factoids about NC State’s history in post-season, post-conference tournament play.  When you look at the rich history and tradition NC State has, it becomes quickly apparent that a quick-and-dirty review of NC State’s tournament past really doesn’t do NC State’s basketball program justice.  NC State is one of the most heralded programs in college basketball.  It’s history deserves a bit more attention by it’s fan base.  For that reason, I want to expand on what I started a few days ago with a deeper, more detailed look into the program.  Rather than barrage the readers of SFN with a 10,000 word essay, we’ll take this in bits and pieces by first looking at the program chronologically, then picking apart a few overall observations.  Join us over the next few days until NC State’s Sweet Sixteen match-up against Kansas this Friday at 10:17PM.

Prior to the first championship in 1974, NC State was one of those programs who was extremely talented, yet due to the structure of post-season play had not had as many opportunities to “punch through the ceiling” and bring home championship titles.  Prior to 1974, NC State had won 14 conference championships, half of them in the Southern Conference and the other half in the Atlantic Coast Conference.  NC State had also been invited to post-season tournaments 9 times, but still without any national titles.

NIT Tournament Appearances.  NC State was invited to the NCAA tournament 7 times and the NIT tournament twice.  Both NIT tourney bids came when both tournaments only accepted 8 teams.  This means that despite being in the NIT tournament, NC State was in one of the 16 best teams in the nation. 

Better Then Perfect.  In 1948, despite a perfect 12-0 record in the Southern Conference (29-3 overall), NC State missed out on the NCAA tournament and landed playing against a very good DePaul team in the NIT tournament.  NC State would lose the contest 75-64.

It’s Lonely At The Top.  From NC State’s first NCAA appearance in 1950 until their last before winning a National Championship, the tournament expanded from 8 teams to only 25 teams, nearly a third of what is accepted in today’s NCAA tournament.

Sweet Sixteens The Easy Way.  NC State has 11 Sweet Sixteens in program history, but 2 of them come without any post-season effort.  In 1965 and 1970, NC State landed in the Sweet Sixteen by gaining a bye in the first-round.  Both seasons, NC State would not make it into the Elite Eight.

2012 Connection.  This season when NC State would play St. Bonaventure, a few older NC State fans might have had more reason to celebrate than the rest of us; NC State lost in the Sweet Sixteen of the 1970 NCAA tournament by St. Bonaventure 80-68.

Good Enough For a “B”.  Prior to 1974, NC State won over 80% of their contests between conference and non-conference opponents in years that they went to post-season play.  With only between 8 and 25 teams making the NCAA tournament, NC State never lost more than 10 games to make the NCAA tournament.  NC State only have 5 and 3 losses in the 1947 and 1948 season respectively which only landed them in the NIT.  During all 9 seasons of post-season play, NC State never lost more than 5 out of 12-15 conference games in a season.

The Best Of The Best.  If you consider how far NC State went in their 2 NIT tournaments and 7 NCAA tournaments and resolve them into a ‘ranking’ (for example, making the final four would be ‘one of the top four teams in the nation’), then between the 23 years from 1947 (first NIT appearance) until 1970 (last tournament before 1974), NC State was in the top 15 teams in the nation over the course of their nine post-season tournaments.

A Legacy To Inherit.  NC State’s 9 post-season tournaments span over the coaching tenures of 3 NC State coaches: Everett Case, Press Maravich (father of “Pistol Pete” Maravich), and Norm Sloan.  Case was responsible for 5 NCAA tournaments and 2 NIT bids, Press Maravich landed NC State in the NCAA tournament for 1 season, and Norm Sloan went to the NCAA tournament once before going on to win the National Championship

Friend Or Foe.  During this time, NC State went 6-9 in post season play with victories over St. John’s (NIT), West Virginia (NIT), Holy Cross, Baylor, Villanova, and George Washington as well as losses over Kentucky (NIT), DePaul (NIT), CCNY, Illinois, St. Johns, La Salle, Canisius, Princeton, St. Bonaventure.  Canisius’ upset of NC State in 1956 is still considered one of the biggest upsets in the tourney’s history.  CCNY who defeated NC State in the 1950 NCAA tourney would later be implicated on point-shaving allegations.

After the 1947-1970 period, NC State would gain national attention by finally landing their first of two National Championships.  Often times we glaze over the pre-1974 history of NC State which is really a crime to the rich history of who NC State is.  Next time you are remembering the good ole days, or just looking up facts about our past, remember those that built this program and it got it to the point that it could win those trophies and make NC State what it is today.

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30 Responses to Tournament Factoids Part 1: The Early Years

  1. Texpack 03/20/2012 at 6:29 AM #

    One other thing about the pre ’80’s and the NCAA Tournament was that schools who hosted NCAA games were not allowed to play in the NIT. When State beat USC in 1970 the Gamecocks didn’t play in the postseason at all in spite of being a Top 10 team. Had State lost to UMd in the ACCT Finals in ’74 the same fate would have befallen us.

  2. highstick 03/20/2012 at 3:27 PM #

    I’ve forgotten who we lost to in the regionals in 1970 and am too lazy to look right now…I got out of the Army on Friday, March 13, 1970, went home for a few days and then back to go to the Final Four at Cole Field House. The UCLA and Jacksonville game was awesome! Rowe, Wickes, Bibby, Patterson, and “Silk” against Artis Gilmore and Co.

    $32 for tickets to all 4 games…

  3. NCStatePride 03/20/2012 at 3:30 PM #

    @Highstick, St. Bonnie. I reference it in the section called “2012 Connection”.

  4. highstick 03/20/2012 at 9:29 PM #

    And New Mexico State…that’s the one that always tries to escape me…

    Ironically, my roommate who is a judge in Mass now dropped by for a visit Saturday night…We had also gone to the Eastern Regionals in 1969 when they were at Cole Field House. That ticket was $16 for the 4 games….

    As we were going into Cole the last day, we were offered $200 for our tickets to the Championship Game…As good as that sounded, we both decided not too and I’m darned glad we didn’t…

    Big Foot Bob Lanier from St. Bonaventure! What a pair of feet in those big old Converse Chuck Taylors!!!

    There was no need to sell your shoes back then…You could buy them anywhere for $10-$15…Actually $9.27 in 1962 for low cuts when I was playing in HS…

  5. highstick 03/20/2012 at 9:41 PM #

    Wow! I went back and read some old recaps…In 69, the Holes beat Lefty and the Davidson Wildcats…As I remember, Lefty blew it against Dean(as usual) and they couldn’t inbound the ball with seconds remaining…That turned it over to the Holes and Charlie Scott. Lefty was stomping the floor and ready to start throwing chairs!!

    Somehow over the years, I kept trying to put that sequence with Md. playing Carolina at Cole after Lefty had come to Maryland..

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