Dagger: Maryland at risk to lose entire recruiting class…will find way to blame Debbie Yow?

When the SFN team was researching potential NC State Basketball coaching candidates, the primary criticism that we gathered related to Mark Turgeon was that of recruiting. A quick look at his history of his recruiting indicated that he had never/rarely been able to land elite recruits. Well…that trend appears to potentially be continuing.

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It’s a good thing new Maryland coach Mark Turgeon began recruiting as soon as he was hired because the Terps may have a few more vacant scholarships than they expected.
According to various reports, all three of Maryland’s incoming freshmen recruits have asked to be released from their letter of intent in the wake of Gary Williams’ abrupt resignation last week. New Jersey point guard Sterling Gibbs and Baltimore shooting guard Nick Faust have said they will still consider the Terrapins, but certainly it’s more common for recruits in this position to go elsewhere rather than sign with their original school.

“We just felt that it was in our best interest to just explore our options,” Gibbs told the Baltimore Sun. “Maryland is still my top priority. But I just want to make sure that it was the best fit for me.”

Next season will likely be a transition year for Maryland regardless of whether Turgeon can keep any of Williams’ recruits, but the rebuilding process will become more difficult if 2011 turns out to be an empty class.

Faust, Rivals.com’s No. 48 recruit, is Maryland’s most highly touted recruit in years and his outside shooting would fill an immediate void. Gibbs, the brother of Pittsburgh star Ashton Gibbs, is also a potential impact recruit. And German forward Martin Breunig would likely receive immediate playing time if he stayed because Maryland is so shorthanded down low in the wake of Jordan Williams’ early departure.
Maryland would be down to eight scholarship players next season if none of the recruits return, but Turgeon is doing his best to retain as many as possible. He’s spoken to each of them already

As this tweet states,

Turgeon has big mountain to climb at MD. Weak roster + losing 2011 recruiting class. Add in slow offense & MD will be hard to watch in 11-12

While we are on Twitter…gotta give a hat tip to Wilmington Star News’ Brett Friedlander for his comment on Twitter (Link)

@starnewsacc Lets see MD fans & ntl media put spin on this. Debbie’s fault? @JeffEisenberg MD in jeopardy of losing entire recruiting class

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32 Responses to Dagger: Maryland at risk to lose entire recruiting class…will find way to blame Debbie Yow?

  1. travelwolf 05/13/2011 at 11:53 AM #

    “Rivals.com’s No. 48 recruit, is Maryland’s most highly touted recruit in years…”

    Was Gary Williams really that bad of a recruiter – and that good of a coach!!! If so, let’s hire him as a “consultant”.

  2. pman27 05/13/2011 at 11:59 AM #

    Thought another primary criticism of Turgeon was that his personality was a bit too Herb-like, so the fan base would be slow to warm to him.

  3. packalum44 05/13/2011 at 12:06 PM #

    “Was Gary Williams really that bad of a recruiter”

    Yep, which is why his ceiling turned into a Sweet 16 every 5 years. I think his disgust for AAU ball and its rise in popularity really did him in. Plus he’s a prick would YOU want to play for him or Bobby Huggins/Roy/Calimari/Wright/K???

  4. VaWolf82 05/13/2011 at 12:14 PM #

    Thought another primary criticism of Turgeon was that his personality was a bit too Herb-like, so the fan base would be slow to warm to him.

    Anyone that said that is too stupid to be allowed outside unsupervised. Has anyone ever heard of Dick Sheridan or Tom O’Brien? Outlandish personality is not required to win over the fan base….only wins.

  5. SuperStuff 05/13/2011 at 12:17 PM #

    He won a National Title without any McDonalds All American on his team. I take that as a sign he can coach.

  6. hoop 05/13/2011 at 1:12 PM #

    I still can’t believe how much they’re paying this guy to coach.

  7. packalum44 05/13/2011 at 1:25 PM #

    ^ That MD team was damn good McD’s or not. Lonnie Baxter, Jaun Dixon, Chris Wilcox, Steve Blake and Drew Nicholas etc… IIRC Dixon, Blake Baxter and Wilcox all played in the NBA. Even great coaches need talent to win…except apparently Brad Stevens.

  8. wolfbuff 05/13/2011 at 1:29 PM #

    Losing recruits is simply a function of breaking a relationship between player and coach. It happens with every coaching change. I don’t see how this reflects at all on Turgeon’s recruiting abilities. And the only way to blame DY for their defections is if she actively recruited them away from Md, which she did not.

  9. PoppaJohn 05/13/2011 at 2:07 PM #

    Oooooh, this is fun!
    Now if MG could steal one of their incoming recruits … too sweet!

  10. PoppaJohn 05/13/2011 at 2:09 PM #

    Sweaty Gary;s recruiting … I always heard that over the years he just got sick of kissing up to these 15-16-17 year old guys with an overblown sense of their own importance. Honestly, can’t blame him.

  11. JSRy2k 05/13/2011 at 2:32 PM #

    Seems Gary felt entitled to not have to deal w/ top recruits’ sense of entitlement.

  12. StateFans 05/13/2011 at 2:38 PM #

    (1) To be fair — Gary Williams was that good of a coach. No doubt about it.

    (2) Many people completely forget that Gary Williams owes the best years of his entire coaching career and his National Championship to Herb Sendek. I am totally serious (and sad).

    People forget that through Chris Corchiani’s father, we had Steve Blake wanting to play for us. He was completely ours for the taking. Instead, we chose Cliff Crawford over Steve Blake and Blake went to Maryland to compile the winningest 4 year period of any player in Maryland history.

    Instead of playing alongside Julius Hodge, Blake played alongside Juan Dixon (and Steve Francis?) and went to two Final Fours and won a National Title.

    The balance of power and perception in basketball is THAT FRAGILE.

  13. Wolfy__79 05/13/2011 at 2:48 PM #

    i wouldn’t mind seeing MG grab another pg right now!! and i don’t care if it comes from maryland or juco.. get us some depth PLEASE. in other news.. i’m still glad we have Gottfried..

  14. Lunatic Fringe 05/13/2011 at 2:55 PM #

    I agree with VA that in the long run all that matters are the wins, but in the short term…a coach with a good personality and exciting offense helps to peak interest of players.

    Ask ASU fans, how the bland offense/defense coupled with a even blender personality is doing to connect with quality talent. I believe they now have 7 transfers in 3 years and that certainly does not translate well to wins.

  15. RickJ 05/13/2011 at 3:28 PM #

    “Has anyone ever heard of Tom O’Brien? Outlandish personality is not required to win over the fan base….only wins.”

    O’Brien’s record is 25 – 25 in four years (14 – 18 in the ACC). It is four wins over UNC that has the fan base won over. I agree personality has nothing to do with it.

  16. PeeDub 05/13/2011 at 3:52 PM #

    In all fairness, I think we pretty much like O’Brien’s personality just fine. He’s not flashy, but we like him. Winning or losing aside.

  17. StateFans 05/13/2011 at 3:54 PM #

    I think ^that is a big part of the point.

  18. SuperStuff 05/13/2011 at 5:56 PM #

    Yeah I’ll never forgive Herb for not taking Steve Blake. Handed to him on a silver platter and didn’t offer him a scholarship. (Sigh)

  19. choppack1 05/13/2011 at 6:31 PM #

    Recruiting is an inexact science. Remember, Sean Miller was on that staff – I wonder what his thoughts were on the matter. I seriously doubt we would have won a national championship w/ Blake, but I’m pretty sure UMd wouldn’t have won theirs w/out him.

    Still, it’s not fair w/ the luxury of hindsight to criticize a coach for taking player A over player B – unless the skill differential is clearly obvious (like it was for Jason Sasser over someone like Mark Lewis). Crawford proved to be an ACC-calibre player – and was talented enough to lead us to victory over Duke his senior year. But Blake was definitely special…and truthfully, I wonder how much of that had to do w/ Gary Williams, the system and the players surrounding him.

  20. packalum44 05/13/2011 at 6:37 PM #

    “kissing up to these 15-16-17 year old guys with an overblown sense of their own importance. Honestly, can’t blame him.”

    Yeah but that’s the whole issue. Recruiting doesn’t have to be kissing ass unless you see it that way. Gary saw or perceived recruiting as kissing ass. Sean Miller and Calipari see recruiting as building networks with coaches and making connections and building relationships with young adults. It comes natural to them. They are gregarious and extroverted which suits them perfectly in their DUTIES as a college coach.

    Gary is the polar opposite. He does not have the characteristics of a good recruiter. Instead of trying to overcome his weakness he just gave up and said “f it”, especially after his championship title because he had all the leverage. When the program took a performance dip unprecedented in collage basketball (as reported in a 3 series piece in the Washington Post), Yow assessed his performance and gave him feedback – he bitched and moaned and dared her to fire him. She called his bluff and the rest is history.

    Ironically Gary Williams is such a bigger punk than all the self entitled punks he’s ever recruited…or not recruited.

  21. packalum44 05/13/2011 at 6:40 PM #

    “But Blake was definitely special…and truthfully, I wonder how much of that had to do w/ Gary Williams, the system and the players surrounding him.”

    Good point but Blake STILL plays in the NBA for the Lakers he is much more talented than CC anyway you cut it.

  22. MadWolf92 05/13/2011 at 7:55 PM #

    It may be part of the point trying to be made, but I don’t think it’s correct.

    I think a lot of people didn’t like Herb’s personality. Winning and losing aside. That said, if he won, we wouldn’t have given a crap.

    Personality is like the “nice car” in the coach rating system. It can give you a +1 or +2 bump. If as a coach you’re a 3, but you have a classic Corvette as a personality, maybe you’re a 5. If you’re a 5, but your personality is a Geo Storm, that drops you to a 2 1/2 tops.

    O’Brien has a Honda. Herb had a Geo.

  23. bigwolfpacker 05/13/2011 at 9:49 PM #

    Sean Miller stated during the Pack coaching search that it was difficult to recruit here because of the lack of recent success and also hinted that Herb didnt play the style recruits wanted.

  24. wufpup76 05/13/2011 at 9:58 PM #

    Friedlander’s been all over the national media ‘spin’ angel … God Bless ’em.

    Definitely need some depth at guard.

  25. JSRy2k 05/13/2011 at 11:06 PM #

    @wufpup & Wolfy: I’m with you about needing another PG but with Gottfried even more in his desire to not push a late signing of an average player who may not even work out well. He’s said if he can get a top-notch guy now, great, but if not he’ll happily wait in the long-term interest of our roster. Patience like that tends to pay off.

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