Todd Turner: The very first person I called was Rick Barnes

Interesting article from Caulton Tudor.

Before Sendek, Turner said he made runs at Tubby Smith (then at Georgia), John Calipari (Massachusetts at the time), Mike Montgomery (Stanford) and Dave Odom (Wake Forest) after approaching Barnes.

“I learned then how really tough it is to get coaches to change schools if they’re comfortable with the situation they’re in,” Turner said. “That’s still the case. It’s something Debbie – or any other AD in her situation – has to deal with more than most fans may understand.

“If you’re looking for a new coach, odds are your program is struggling. And money, alone, isn’t always enough to make a coach move into a new situation and start over again from scratch.

“But as I said, State has so much in its favor – fans, tradition, location, conference. It’s all there.”

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42 Responses to Todd Turner: The very first person I called was Rick Barnes

  1. highstick 03/22/2011 at 6:05 PM #

    Maybe Todd is going to claim that his phone call finally set the stage for Barnes to come to State…A 15 year delayed reaction to his phone call…??

  2. IamGumbyDammit 03/22/2011 at 6:47 PM #

    Daily Update, I respectfully request you to please change the name to the article link above. “Interesting article from Caulton Tudor” is an oxymoron any time, and reading what Todd Turner has to say is “interesting” in the same way that stepping in vomit is “interesting”…

  3. Lumpy 03/22/2011 at 8:00 PM #

    If any of you really believe that Todd Turner made a serious offer to anyone on that list, then I’d like to talk to you about an amazing money making opportunity! Just leave one thousand dollars in a brown paper sack under an overpass and in 5 or 6 weeks I’ll send you some literature in the mail.

  4. gcpack 03/22/2011 at 8:21 PM #

    “IamGumbyDammit Says:
    March 22nd, 2011 at 10:31 am
    This article is drivel. Todd Turner is a Tarhole and all major NCSU athletic programs went to hell in a handbasket under his reign. He may have called all those names, but I doubt seriously he tried hard to get any of them. His name is on my list of graves I hope to piss on one day.”

    Absolutely dead on Gumby. That saboteur chased off Dick Sheridan & Ray Tanner then said it was up to Les if he wanted to stay or not.
    Turner is a terrible pathetic AD. Not only at State but at Vandy where they just decided to get rid of the athletic dept. and at Washington where they fired him.

    What the hell were we thinking by putting him at AD and Monteith as chancellor. We are still paying the dues for those two inept sorry excuse for leaders.

  5. Gene 03/22/2011 at 8:30 PM #

    Herb wasn’t a bad hire.

    The mistake was not being demanding in re-establishing the standards we expect for our basketball team. It’s like the Administration decided the Les Robinson years were and would always be NCSU’s natural place in the basketball world and any incremental improvement must be praised with great praise.

    Turner was first and foremost in wiping away our expectations that came from having a traditionally successful program. He not only made sure Les’ hands were tied in rebuilding the program, but made sure no one mentioned the truth about how things weren’t as bad as Personal Fouls made them out to be and the fact NCSU has a proud basketball tradition. He set the stage for Lee Fowler to call NCSU fans “the lunatic fringe”. Turner didn’t have to piss on our past, but he did.

  6. Gene 03/22/2011 at 8:36 PM #

    “Todd Turner: The very first person I called was Rick Barnes”

    If Turner had half a clue, he’d have pushed to get the academic and recruiting restrictions lifted and maybe pushed Les out, so we were the ones hiring Barnes in 1994 and not chasing after him, when he landed a job in a big time conference.

  7. 61Packer 03/22/2011 at 8:51 PM #

    Gene, I agree that Herb wasn’t a bad hire. He was a TERRIBLE hire.

  8. MattN 03/22/2011 at 9:08 PM #

    Todd Turner was at the helm when the USS Wolfpack scuttled itself. Investigations later determined that Turner intentionally scuttled the USS Wolfpack so the HMS Tarhole would never face a serious threat from the east again.

    I don;t know if I’d go out of my way to find his grave to piss on it. But, if he was on fire in front of me, I most likey would not piss on him then…

  9. choppack1 03/22/2011 at 10:06 PM #

    Some points worth talking about on this thread:

    #1. Turner has the devious distinction of letting a hugely successful football coach and baseball coach leave Raleigh, while allowing the least successful b’ball coach in NC State to stay. Those 3 simple facts should tell you what you need to know about his “recruiting” and talent assessment abilities.

    #2. I don’t think it’s fair to imply he did nothing but his best here in Raleigh. (His record reflects that if nothing else, Turner wasn’t a hugely effective AD at any of his several stops.) However, I had never heard of the UNC memorbilla in his office while he was AD at NC State. If in fact that is true, it tells you a lot about the sad state of affairs of our leadership at the time.

    #3. Sendek wasn’t a bad hire as a “fall-back” candidate – and that’s exactly what he was at the time. He had a great pedigree – experience in the Big East and at Kentucky as an assistant. He had a brief, but very successful HC stint at a mid-major school. He was part of a staff that went on to enjoy enormous success. He was young, intelligent, energetic and driven. Unfortunately, for all parties involved – he didn’t enjoy the success of the other 2 assistant coaches he shared the bench with nor the 2 other HC he sat on the bench with (Pitino and Barnes.) In short, hiring Sendek was not a dumb or terrible move.

  10. packhammer 03/22/2011 at 10:54 PM #

    Demonstration of poor judgment. Turner should have declined the interview or simply expressed confidence that Yow will do a good search. But to name names now? What exactly must he be thinkin?

  11. theghost 03/22/2011 at 10:55 PM #

    Keep in mind that there was a contingency among the leadership that viewed athletic success at the university as a negative in the wake of Valvano’s departure, and I don’t know that many of those same people aren’t still holding positions of influence (though hoping Woodson will be smoking them out in short order). And don’t forget the holes’ stranglehold on the BoG and general assembly, which has been well documented here recently. Hoping even that may change this year. Remember when Valvano’s 83 team was honored in the GA, Smith’s holes were also invited? Couldn’t even honor the state’s national championship team without inviting the hated archrival. So, that’s the group that brought in Turner and thought he did a great job.

    I agree that, without hindsight, Herb wasn’t a bad hire. But he was a terrible contract extension. Getting him wasn’t the mistake, it was keeping him after 5 years.

    MattN, I’ve got to respectfully disagree with you. I would definitely and without hesitation piss on Turner if he were on fire.

  12. Pack1998 03/23/2011 at 12:27 AM #

    Whoa Caulton . . . good article but “Todd Turner”? Why now?

    Someone please validate this . . . I always thought the reason we didn’t get a Calipari or Barnes then was that we didn’t want to pay top dollar. We were cheap overall with sports. Anyone know that for fact?

    And by the way, I agree with most every comment posted on this thread : )

  13. triadwolf 03/23/2011 at 7:56 AM #

    “The very first person I called was Rick Barnes…”

    …to see if he knew of any good basketball coaches.


    …to see if he had Herb Sendek’s phone number.

  14. RegularExpression 03/23/2011 at 8:29 AM #

    Sometimes I think NC State is cursed with bad luck because of our 20 year track record of crap that extends well beyond sports. Then I look back at the incompetent leadership that we’ve been subjected to and I realize that there was never any luck involved at all. We’ve made our own bad luck and we absolutely deserve the results we have gotten.

    My favorite Toad Turner quote was from before a UNC basketball game when he said he didn’t know whether to wear blue or red to the game. And somehow we saw fit to keep this guy as our AD…

  15. NCSU84 03/23/2011 at 9:15 AM #

    “My favorite Toad Turner quote was from before a UNC basketball game when he said he didn’t know whether to wear blue or red to the game. And somehow we saw fit to keep this guy as our AD…”

    Really? He said that? Say it aint so, please say it aint so.

  16. ADVENTUROO 03/23/2011 at 9:36 AM #


    I believe, based on what I read and the comments from folks who are “in the know” that, UNFORTUNATELY, there are STILL some of the Monteith Witch Hunters in power….

    BUT, what is even MORE discouraging, is that they have INBRED. The peons or their underlings or protoges that watched every move of the exaulted ones who crucified Valvano are NOW in positions of power.

    The ONE thing that we have going for us is that thanks to the Democratic Cleansing brought about by “outing” Mikey Easely, we NOW have some new DNA sitting in the main chair as well as the AD’s seat.

    This MIGHT be our only, however meager, salvation.

    I have remarked to several members of the media (print and TV and Radio) that we really needed to honor Jimmy V since he was the inspiration behind the RBC and that we could do it in a manner that also included Case and Sloan….and THEY ALL LAUGHED.

    They said that there was no way in Haydes that ANY of the left over Valvano Haters, who were steadily advancing up the tenured ranks, would allow that.

    SO, that is my feedback…..

    Todd Turner had a great dad….bought tires from him and he was truly a good, common sense business man. But, we each have our cross to bear and he allowed his son to venture into the halls of Chapel Hill and it warped his personality and wiped out any shred of common sense.

    That, as many posters have pointed out, WHY St. Monteith is SO worshipped. I have personally seen statues of St. Monteith on their bicycles (made from recycled nuclear fuel rods) and their solar and wind powered modified Prius’s. Ride around campus and loot at their “rides”….every one that has a FACULTY PRIVILEGED Spot has a St. Monteith shrine in front of it.

    Thus endeth the reading of the tumultous history (or perhaps the shameless mob mentality) that plagues NCSU….especially Basketball.

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