Thank God we recruited Ryan Harrow…so he could sit on the bench in crunch time

Unless you’ve been hidden under a rock, the big topic in WolfpackLand this week was Coach Lowe’s ‘questionable’ decision to sit Ryan Harrow in the last three and a half minutes of the Wolfpack’s important contest at Boston College on Tuesday night.   (See how much softer and considerate we are trying to be at SFN?  Using words like ‘questionable’?)  The debacle that resulted on the court was so well defined and obvious that the media actually asked questions about the situation after the game.  Coach Lowe’s defense was that Harrow had experienced a defensive lapse.

Harrow had scored nine of his 11 points in a 4-minute span to ignite State’s offense after it fell behind 50-42.

"It wasn’t what he did on offense," Lowe said, specifically citing the Paris 3-pointer for the substitution.

Lowe subbed Gonzalez, who finished with no points in 19 minutes, for Harrow at the 3:41 mark. On State’s next offensive possession after Paris’ 3, Lowe called a timeout and had 18 seconds on the shot clock.

Lowe called two successful plays out of an inbounds set for Scott Wood earlier in the second half, but this set ended with Gonzalez taking a wild 3-pointer from about 35-feet in a futile effort to beat the shot clock.

Of course, Javi was allowed to stay on the court after his DEFENSIVE LAPSE that allowed Boston College to hit a wide open three and expand their lead to the point of no return just moments later.  I can’t help but echo  wufpacker’s point:

Considering the piss poor defense usually displayed by most of our team, I have to wonder how Sid can single out one player, especially when that player being removed from the game largely determined the negative outcome (and given how hot Harrow was at the time he got yanked this outcome wasn’t hard to predict). By this reasoning (benching Harrow for a defensive lapse) how the hell does Javi EVER get off the bench?

Even if Javi is a better defensive player than Harrow, then why didn’t we see Sidney employing offensive and defensive substitutions after made baskets and utilizing timeouts to interchange Javi and Harrow as much as possible depending on whether we had the ball or not? Why was Harrow taken out of the game when we were facing our most crucial offensive possession of the game? Or is this simply another example of Sidney Lowe asleep at the wheel or simply unaware of how to give his team the best possible chance to win?

Today, someone has posted a link to a direct statistical comparison between Harrow and Gonzalez that is available here.   The information is telling and stands on its own; but not included in the statistics is a comparison of the overall TEAM scoring differential that occurs when each player is on the court.  Some SFN readers have tracked this in past games.  The results have been clear that NC State outscores opponents by a significantly larger margin when Ryan Harrow is on the floor compared to when Javi Gonzalez is on the floor.  Nothing else matters; especially one defensive lapse from the hottest player on the court.

We are going to turn the page on this topic after today – HOPEFULLY the rest of the season because hopefully Coach has had enough time to figure it out – but, just couldn’t let it go quite yet in light of this set of college basketball rankings of college freshmen  released by Basketball Prospectus this week.  The rankings slot NC State’s Ryan Harrow at an impressive #11 in the country amongst college freshmen this season:

11. Ryan Harrow, NC State
Harrow comes off the bench but averages starter’s minutes in Sidney Lowe’s nine-deep rotation in Raleigh. Usually a 5-11 freshman playing alongside a McDonald’s All-American like C.J. Leslie wouldn’t be encouraged to take 29 percent of his team’s shots during his minutes. But in Harrow’s case it’s worked out, as he’s made 48 percent of his twos and recorded excellent assist and turnover rates. He hasn’t shown any perimeter range yet, but Harrow’s 92 percent shooting at the line says that could come someday soon.

The following table is minutes per game by the three primary players in the NC State backcourt:

Player Mins/Game
Lorenzo Brown 29
Ryan Harrow 22
Javi Gonzalez 20

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Considering that both Scott Wood and CJ Williams have the clear ability to contribute at the off guard position, and considering the obvious talent & performance differential between Harrow and Gonzalez…[you finished the sentence]

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51 Responses to Thank God we recruited Ryan Harrow…so he could sit on the bench in crunch time

  1. GameOfInches 01/15/2011 at 1:25 PM #

    Too bad we don’t get another crack at BC this year. I’m sure Harrow’s defense will be less of a factor, as far as playing time goes.

    I totally agree with jdmann. We outscore our opponents when RH is allowed to make plays. Has Javi been dominant in any of our eleven wins?

  2. wufpup76 01/15/2011 at 1:31 PM #

    ^Good points, kappa.

    “I want it to be obvious to the media why a coaching change is needed. Why do I care about the media? Simply because if they are not on board then we get to hear about the “impossible to please” coaching job at NCSU. It also has a negative effect on recruiting. Land a respectable/energetic coach after a horrible season with good players = a smooth transition for everyone.”

    ^I don’t think this will be nearly as much of an issue this time around (if there is a ‘this time’ – which appears inevitable right now). One singular voice from within the University was responsible for the way we got / get treated by the media over the last coaching change. FOWLER. Thankfully, he’s no longer here.

  3. eas 01/15/2011 at 1:48 PM #

    ^
    Good point wulfpup. I was long winded about my media comment but it drives me nuts that the media always talks about how we are never satisfied with a coach (aka lunatic fringe). We only want what every fanbase does…..Consistent success.

    I agree that Fowler’s departure will net better results when the time comes.

  4. DucoPack 01/15/2011 at 1:48 PM #

    If I remember correctly when K brought his first big time recruiting class in over at Dook (J. Dawkins, M. Alarie, J. Bilas??) he started them right out the gate. They took their lumps as frosh, but by the time they were seniors they were a final 4 team weren’t they? Like Coach13 says, Sid probably doesn’t come to SFN for insight on what he needs to do, but the analysis is not speculation, it is statistical, and it is clear to a lot of people that our best rotation is Harrow, Wood, CJL, Lo Brown, and Tracy. We are clearly between a rock and a hard place after Tuesday night. That loss was bad in so many ways you lose count. Somebody needs to get to Sid and tell him that the above line-up is the baseline and everything needs to be decided based upon it. We lose to Ga Tech or Miami at home or heaven forbid at Wake we are done. Just won’t be able to overcome those losses in the eyes of the selection committee.

  5. wufpup76 01/15/2011 at 2:06 PM #

    ^That Duke team got pounded when they were freshmen, but indeed did wind up making a Final Four (National Title game appearance) in ’86.

  6. tvp1 01/15/2011 at 2:25 PM #

    “Javi was allowed to stay on the court after his DEFENSIVE LAPSE that allowed Boston College to hit a wide open three and expand their lead to the point of no return just moments later.”

    Unless I’m mistaken, Javi was yanked right after that.

    I may be alone here, but I think this Javi/Harrow substitution is being blown way out of proportion to its importance.

  7. highstick 01/15/2011 at 2:58 PM #

    Fowler warned Sid about those “interweb coaches and lunatics” out there before he left!

  8. Rick 01/15/2011 at 3:03 PM #

    “I’ve never been an ardent Sid supporter but playing devil’s advocate. He has to teach RH at the same time. How often do you guys scream he should sit a player for not listening to the coach.”

    If I saw consistent teaching and learning then I would be on board. It would mean losing in the short term to win in the long. But Lowe and staff have never shown they have a long term view. So IMO it was a piss poor decision by Lowe not a “teaching momenet”.

  9. Rick 01/15/2011 at 3:04 PM #

    “I may be alone here, but I think this Javi/Harrow substitution is being blown way out of proportion to its importance.”

    This is what happens when you have no success. People try to figure out why. Win and this discussion does not happen.

  10. choppack1 01/15/2011 at 3:27 PM #

    If I read the statsheet right, Javi actually has higher plus #s. However, I think Harrow has improved significanlty and Sid has started playing w/ him a better line-up than the Harrow, Javi, CJ Williams, Vandenberg lineup he saddled him w/ some earlier.

    Am I the only one who thinks that a big reason why Sid looked like a good coach his first year was simply because he didn’t have a lot of options on the bench? The more players he has, the more baffling his decision making is.

  11. wufpup76 01/15/2011 at 3:31 PM #

    “I mean, beyond Tracy’s post-ups, Wood threes off curls, (maybe Leslie’s follow-ups) and Harrow’s drives, how are we generating any points in our motion-less nba-set-ish offense? I love Howell and Painter and all, but they have no touch around the basket on any contested shots.”

    ^You’re not alone. You could say the same about last season. We had a minimal rotation but looked much more like a team and there was only one game to be disgusted about effort (VT at home). It was actually a pretty solid team at the end of last season.

    This has kinda been ridiculous so far this season.

  12. wufpup76 01/15/2011 at 3:33 PM #

    Oops – I meant to quote chop’s post about sub patterns. Sorry my post doesn’t make any sense.

  13. NJpack 01/15/2011 at 3:38 PM #

    Conrad, the “Peanut Crowd” just believes that if a coach is getting a salary in the high six figures in the nation’s most storied basketball conference, he damn well better be able to teach fundamentals and manage the game properly.

    The firings of two NFL coaches made me think about Lowe: Wade Phillips, who had the reputation of being hands off and “letting the players figure it out” (sound familiar?), and Mike Singletary, who was a great player, but as a coach was widely seen as in over his head and unable to produce more than just basic game plans, i.e. out-coached.

    It has been 5 years of this same story – I’m waiting for Lowe to mention that he misses Engin Atsur. A previous posting mentioned Greg Marshall – I always thought he would be our “floor” after we missed out on the big names in the now-infamous coaching search. I know it’s Witchita State, but the last I checked, they were 14-3, and when they played on ESPNU a few weeks ago, they actually played defense.

  14. Rick 01/15/2011 at 3:48 PM #

    Conrad,
    Every post where you attack people or call them names will be deleted. Treat others with respect.

  15. packfan03 01/15/2011 at 4:13 PM #

    Rick,

    I don’t know what has happened lately, but your posts are beginning to make A LOT more sense to me lately. I’m still holding out hope for this year, but I really understand where you are coming from.

  16. Conrad 01/15/2011 at 4:23 PM #

    wufpup76, What is a bad season to you ? Not making it to the NCAA tounament ? When it should be is winning the conference tournament & onto the NCAAs. Something that our packs havent done since 89. Thats right 21 yrs. But many of you guys only care about is getting bid to the NCAAs aka the big dance.

    As for another coach. So why would any good coach in their right mind would want to deal with fans like yourself and other around here that wont allow them to see their rebuild process through ? Like right now with Lowe. And i promise you that exactly what will be on the minds of any really good head coach from a major conference or a ex coach. So you & AD Yow better get ready for another experiment with a mid major head coach or some up and coming assit. coach. Unless she see Lowe to the ending of his contract which be the ending of next season. Anf that would give them back their long over due crediability which they lost after trying to abuse Valvano for his money.

    Did you know that almost half of this team production is coming from 3 true freshman another 25 to 30 % is coming from Sr. T. Smith. And the other 20 to 25 % is be divided up between sop’s like Wood, Howell, Painter, CJ William, Vanderburg plus Sr. Gonz. So remember that this is a very young team that is maturing with their best player being back/

  17. VaWolf82 01/15/2011 at 4:32 PM #

    UMD football just fired the ACC coach of the year so by your reasoning it should have been impossible for them to hire a good coach. How did that work out for them?

    Any competent AD could hire a successful coach to replace Sid. Odds are we’ll be able to see which of us is right in a few monts.

  18. packfan03 01/15/2011 at 4:34 PM #

    Harrow is starting 🙂

  19. Conrad 01/15/2011 at 5:38 PM #

    Rick & anybody else here that think i am attacking them or name calling them. I am just stating the facts from reading you guys posts against Lowe. So what makes you guys believe that he does not care about his alma as much as you ? Well i know that he does because he is a longtime personal friend of minds from our days attending State and still today. But pls dont think that i am putting my friendship a head my alma and bball program. Because i wouldnt never do anything like that. My lorality is 1st to my family and sister, brother than NC State. So this is more than just another coaching job to him. This is his school and program that has given him every opportunity in life to be sucessful and to take care him and his family. No difference than it has for most of grads from State. And yes there will be other coaching jobs if it doesnt out for him here back in the NBA. But it really hurts him to read and hear fans that once love him now trash him like he is not a Wolfpack man.

    So excuse me for defending one of us and our bball program that is beginning to get to our days of Valvano in talent. But the winning is a little slow right now. So he deserve to see his rebuilding process to the end. And that means his full 6 yrs term of the contract. Because it would be good for the program & the committment to their coaches rebuilding process to the end. And also it will give them attractive enough program to draw any good coach to want to come here. I also can promise you that he will do everything to make sure that no players will transfer nor decommitt from his incoming recruiting class for the love of this program and his alma.

  20. Conrad 01/15/2011 at 6:12 PM #

    VaWolf82, The Md fball firing is totally difference from the Lowe situation. Md was worry about their head losing most of his coaching staff. So they felt to cut ties with him for a new coach and staff.

    So yes Yow can find another coach. But if she is not willing to see Lowe rebuilding process to the end. Then we wont be getting any look from the good head coaches at all. So get ready for another mid major coach like Sendek or some up and coming assit. coach without a name to recruit ACC talent. And i hope that you guys will give that coach his chance to see rebuilding process to the end. Because he is going to need his full of his contract.

  21. VaWolf82 01/15/2011 at 6:27 PM #

    You’re right…UMD is completely different. They fired a head coach with previous and current success. Yet Ralph was shown no appreciation for his accomplishments AND was fired. The way he was treated didn’t scare off prospective coaches even though the expectations are clearly high at UMD.

    There is no reason to think that firing an UNSUCESSFUL coach that was given FIVE years would scare anyone off that we would be interested in having as a coach.

  22. packfan03 01/15/2011 at 6:58 PM #

    LOL, Harrow starts, then plays fewer minutes than when he doesn’t start. I must not be understanding Javi’s importance appropriately.

  23. tjfoose1 01/15/2011 at 7:53 PM #

    Conrad reminds me of Fowler’s daughter

  24. russwuf 01/16/2011 at 1:56 AM #

    it is even more evident that Sid needs to sit for a coaching “lapse”…
    someone get a muzzle and slap it on him to prevent him from cracking that infernal whistling he does constantly during the game. If you have to whistle and direct traffic on the court like a burmese bus conductor the entire length of the game, something is seriously lacking during practice and the coaching thereof in practice. A coach should not have to constantly do that during the game if he has his team prepared to execute on the floor….problem is…you can tell they are just not prepared…standing around the perimeter..no movement…no basic blocking out during free throws and under the basket when shots are taken from said perimeter….careless lazy and reckless passing of the ball resulting in turnover and/ or last second desperation prayer heaves to the basket…..
    enough is enough….Sid needs to step aside now .or else be removed period…another season down the toilet with really NO valid excuse or pass available for Sid this time…

  25. bradleyb123 01/16/2011 at 12:03 PM #

    I’m done with Sidney. I’m not even sure I want him to last through the end of THIS season. If letting him go now hurts our image (and our task of replacing him), then keep him through the end of this season.

    Sid, I love ya, and I appreciate all you’ve tried to do for NC State as a coach, but you’re not getting it done, bud.

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