N&O: Wolfpackers patience with TOB vindicated

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The N&O has an appropriate article this morning: Year 4 turns into a big one for O’Brien

“Year 4, this is where you want to be,” O’Brien said. “We’re fighting for a conference title. We have the opportunity to be a special football team in the lore of N.C. State history, not only in wins in the ACC but in total number of wins. That’s where you want to be.”

A year ago, N.C. State’s program was in disarray. Injuries had scuttled whatever momentum the Wolfpack gained from a bowl appearance a year earlier, most notably the car accident that kept star linebacker Nate Irving out for the entire season, and the Wolfpack hit a low point when it was savaged by Wake Forest and Duke in back-to-back losses.

By the end of the year, offensive coordinator Dana Bible was in a hospital bed fighting leukemia, and O’Brien had suffered his third losing season in three years at N.C. State.

It wasn’t exactly what anyone envisioned when O’Brien arrived from Boston College, where he took the Eagles to eight straight bowl games. There were plenty of vocal N.C. State fans who expected to see more progress by Year 3.

They got it in Year 4. N.C. State already has won eight games, the most since 2003, and could get to nine for the first time since 1994 with a win at Maryland on Saturday – not to mention earning a trip to the championship game in Charlotte.

“We haven’t taken any shortcuts,” O’Brien said. “It’s been a long, hard slog. But having gone through it … that’s where your commitment to the plan comes into play.”

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Through it all, O’Brien insisted last year’s team was improving, even if the youth on defense made that nearly impossible to discern on the field at times.

“We’re about a year and a half into the defense, and we’re trying to recruit and get lined up and get the people in the right [positions] and understand all the nuances of it,” O’Brien said last October. “We’ll fight through this thing.”

If you had the pleasure of listening to any of Jeff’s radio appearances on the Taylor Zarzour show over the summer (back before the Carolina media mafia circled the wagons against SFN), then you heard Jeff consistently hold the line on his position regarding the unparalleled number of injuries within the NC State football program over the last few years — without over-doing the injury bug as an excuse or justification for losing, Jeff felt it was impossible to truly judge TOB’s performance and the program’s evolution with so many injuries. It appears he was right.

As a tangible example, @PackPride tweeted just yesterday that “NC State is 17-7 w/ Nate Irving in starting lineup during his career. The Wolfpack is 7-17 without him. Players matter.”

I would also like to highlight the support that Wolfpackers have continued to provide the program as evidenced by their continued optimism. In addition to continued sellouts in Carter-Finley through all of these years, check out the results below from one of our most popular polls we’ve run at SFN before this season started. Despite all of the hurdles, one of the toughest schedules in major college football, and the expectation that our defense was going to be awful this season…a large majority of Wolfpackers still had the faith in Coach O’Brien that the program would turn a corner this season.

NC State has not had five consecutive losing football seasons since 1956. Will the Wolfpack finish the 2010 season with a winning record?

  • Yes (59%, 1,061 Votes)
  • No (41%, 741 Votes)

Total Voters: 1,802

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37 Responses to N&O: Wolfpackers patience with TOB vindicated

  1. Statefan1998 11/23/2010 at 10:45 AM #

    “They got it in Year 4. N.C. State already has won eight games, the most since 2003, and could get to nine for the first time since 1994 with a win at Maryland on Saturday – not to mention earning a trip to the championship game in Charlotte.”

    How would it be “getting to nine for the first time since 1994” when we got to 9 and passed it in 2002?

  2. packbackr04 11/23/2010 at 10:47 AM #

    “We haven’t taken any shortcuts,”

    is that a dig at Butchy boy? i sure hope so

  3. heavy 11/23/2010 at 10:58 AM #

    I’m just worried that TOB gets arrested for a hate crime given the way he slaps that Butch around…

  4. Avid109 11/23/2010 at 11:09 AM #

    It will be interesting to see how the team performs against Maryland. Many of the BC fans claim that TOB could never win “the big one.” The Maryland game is indeed a “big one” that, if the Pack can win, will lead to an even bigger one.

  5. NCSU622 11/23/2010 at 11:19 AM #

    Avid109, I think TOB has proven this year he can win the “big one”. I know this is a huge game for us, but I think FSU was the biggest game of them all.

  6. bradleyb123 11/23/2010 at 11:28 AM #

    State DID win the big one. We HAD to beat FSU to have a chance at the division crown, and we did. We had to win in Chapel Hill against a motivated and talented team (even if they were depleted). Except for Clemson, where we stubbed our toes, we’ve been winning big ones.

    I just hope we can win one more big one this week.

  7. Tampa-Pack 11/23/2010 at 11:29 AM #

    The “shortcuts” comments has to be a dig at the folks over in Cheater Hill. Everyone was looking up at their potential success this season, and looking down on TOB. Good for him, looks like he’s earned it. Hopefully he can put a little more in our resume this year, starting this weekend.

    Too bad we didn’t beat ECU, as I’d love for him to be able to have used his “State Champion” title again season again. I thought that was great, and it really got to all these in-state rivals.

    Man, what could have been, we realistically could have been undefeated this year… probably not, but certainly the potential was there. Still, I’m not writing off this season yet, its already more successful than most of us thought it would be, we’ve already locked up a nice bowl, and are still playing for more! Go PACK!

  8. highstick 11/23/2010 at 11:41 AM #

    We still claim the title, we beat the team that beat ECU…

  9. StateFans 11/23/2010 at 11:43 AM #

    I picked up on the shortcuts comment as well. He digs the knife into them at every possible opportunity. I friggin love it.

  10. ppack3 11/23/2010 at 11:47 AM #

    “The Big One” argument has always been a bunch of bunk. Phil Mickelson could never win ‘The Big One’…until he won it. Each game of the college football season is a huge game. He’s won big games this year. He’s lost big games this year. ‘THE BIG ONE’, would be the National Championship Game. That’s the biggest. If someone wants to make the argument, then that’s the game we’re talking about. We’ve never even sniffed it. If TOB got us to the Orange Bowl, that would be the biggest game in our history. if we get to the ACCCG, then that would (arguably) be the biggest game in our history.

    People set out upon a mission with goals. The goal isn’t to be mediocre. If that happens, then it happens. But, that’s not the goal. Just because you haven’t won the big prize before, is no indication that you can’t win the big prize. How many coach’s and/or programs win Championships for the first time…every year?

    TOB wasn’t going to win a National Championship at BC. I would argue that he had a great shot at the ACC championship with a Senior Matt Ryan at the helm, had he not departed for Raleigh. But, TOB saw the bigger picture. If we do something special at NC State, the prize is a higher recruiting plateau. TOB is ultra-selective about his recruits’ character, and that is a good thing. But the point where you want to be, is where Coach K is right now. Coach K can select from the best athletes. Not only that, he gets to choose the guys that have the attributes that best fit his system. that’s where TOB and Co. want to be.

    Can you imagine getting the ‘pick of the litter,’ so to speak? Can you imagine landing high character players, that are also highly (star) rated players, rather than recruiting one or the other? That could take NCSU Football to a whole new level.

    I’m not saying that these things are probable, but just that they are plausible…and a goal.

    Having said all of that, we could lose the next game, and then our Bowl game. Then, everyone will be singing a different tune.

  11. VaWolf82 11/23/2010 at 11:47 AM #

    I was remberering recently that BJD predicted that this would be a break-out year the moment that TOB was hired. I looked at the cross-divisional games and saw that State played VT, GT, and UNC this year, so I was always skeptical. I know that many will find it hard to believe that I was skeptical….but really, I was. 😉

  12. Old MacDonald 11/23/2010 at 11:51 AM #

    So glad we have a coach who does not act like a pussy toward UNC. He beats their asses and then flips them off. Love it!

  13. ppack3 11/23/2010 at 11:58 AM #

    Oh, and on the TOB digs at UNC-CH…GOOD! Those bastards deserve everything they get. The coaches aren’t holding any of the players accountable for anything that they do. As a matter of fact, unless the NCAA finds fault with his players, or the ACC finds fault with his players, then nothing is done about their thuggish behavior.

    If I’m TOB, and a former Marine, who has instilled honor among his players, then I’m absolutely proud when their meddle is tested and his players show the restraint necessary to harness that anger and channel it into the game and pull away with a victory. Unlike the UNC-CHeaters, our players have taken (literal) punches from those unruly gangsters, and come away the victors.

    Screw them and what they think about TOB’s comments. Like TOB said three years ago…’We’ll play ’em in the parking lot.’ If that’s the way they prefer to handle things, I’m sure we could arrange a meeting.

  14. Wufpacker 11/23/2010 at 12:10 PM #

    “and could get to nine for the first time since 1994”

    I too wonder about this. Didn’t the N&O have some sort of sponsorship, or at least participation, in the silly as hell parade following the 11 wins in ’02? How quickly they forget, eh?

    No respect, I tell ya.

  15. Rick 11/23/2010 at 12:11 PM #

    I want to see us make the tournament game before I am ready to call it a great year.

  16. choppack1 11/23/2010 at 12:12 PM #

    Statefan1998 – good catch.

    Those dolts at the N&O got conference games mixed up. We haven’t gone 6-2 in conference since 1994.

    Also worth noting – in 2003, if we’d won our last 2 ACC games, we would have won a share of the ACC title.

  17. Alpha Wolf 11/23/2010 at 12:40 PM #

    One of my other favorite coaches is David Cutcliffe, and he has talked a long time about it taking time to build a program from the ground up and that shortcuts are, well, a shortcut to trouble.

    I agree with that, because I firmly believe that you have to get talent in to your program, develop it (especially on the lines) and then continue to build it in with more talent for backups and sustainability.

    TOB is doing things the right way…not a hint of impropriety in recruiting and not very much trouble with the players academically, etc. He has also weeded out players who won’t play ball his way.

    I would rather take the slow road to success and stay there once we get it than rush in and have NCAA investigators and Yahoo sports writing articles about us. We would DEFINITELY NOT get a free pass the way (cough) other schools round here have.

  18. Spacewolf 11/23/2010 at 1:00 PM #

    The fact that BC really didn’t fall off a cliff until this year is also a testament to TOB’s program-building prowess. They survived and won for a couple of years after his departure despite Jag’s lack of recruiting. If Jags had even done a half-assed job of recruiting, BC could have coasted another couple of years on TOB’s leftovers.

  19. Avid109 11/23/2010 at 1:03 PM #

    The “Big One” argument probably was overblown by the BC folks. Still, the stage is set for this team to take our football program forward in a strong way: beat MD and go to the ACCCG –> beat VT and win State’s first ACC football title since 1979 plus go to the Orange Bowl –> win in the Orange Bowl and get one of State’s biggest football games ever. With a strong finish to the season and with all of the stuff going on at UNC-CHeat, our recruiting could get quite a boost.

    Also, you gotta love the digs that TOB takes at Butch & Co.

  20. 61Packer 11/23/2010 at 1:07 PM #

    Unless we get skunked 37-0 Saturday, TOB’s job should be secure for as long as he wants it.

  21. packplantpath 11/23/2010 at 1:09 PM #

    IMO this year has guaranteed TOB’s job for next year. Period. At the end of next year, reevaluate.

  22. WolftownVA81 11/23/2010 at 1:15 PM #

    Glad to see the boys getting a little positive press. Go Wolfpack – Beat MD.

  23. wufpup76 11/23/2010 at 1:47 PM #

    Good for TOB and the Pack.

    The fact that Holes fans get worked up over his words means he’s hitting close to home. Clean up your sh*t and nobody will have anything to say – moreover you can rest easy and not presume / ASSume that every little comment is directed at YOU. (Shocking that Holes would be vain / narcissistic).

    TOB doesn’t mince words and I don’t see much snark in his comments. He just tells the truth. We haven’t taken shortcuts. We didn’t retaliate to punches thrown. If you get worked up over that then perhaps you should consider not taking shortcuts or throwing punches – or if you are, be ready to hear about it … you vain little pricks.

  24. Rick 11/23/2010 at 2:02 PM #

    Unless we get skunked 37-0 Saturday, TOB’s job should be secure for as long as he wants it.”

    He is not going anywhere and he shouldn’t.
    He has taken that “next step” even though some of us wanted it to be faster.

  25. skitchwolf 11/23/2010 at 2:07 PM #

    Like everyone else, I am very excited about the possibilities this season presents. TOB has proven that doing it “the right way” is, indeed, the right way. My only fear is that the team will look past Maryland (just like they looked past ECU) and get tripped up Saturday in College Park. Hopefully, TOB and the staff will prevent that and we will all be on here next week getting psyched up for the ACCCG.

    GO WOLFPACK!

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