The Sidney Lowe Rebound

As a 2004 NC State graduate, there wasn’t really much to write home about when it came to sports. A few years of Philip, a Gator Bowl win, and a few really disappointing ACC Tournament Championship games… I moved to the midwest after college and was in a small bar watching Julius Hodge take on Connecticut all by himself. I was the only one who gave a damn, but I gave a damn worth twenty men. Only to see that same team pull a HWSNBN and lay a complete goose egg vs. an over matched Badger team.

The NC State Basketball coaching search was horribly executed and I could spend all day writing about this, but it’s been done a billion times. Fact is we landed Sid and I was none too happy about it. Then that magical run in the 2007 ACC Tournament. We manhandled the same Carolina team earlier that year and got beat handily at the Dean Dome. The game was close. We lost by a few (on an unnecessary Ty Lawson dunk) but I was downing some Kool Aid. Wolfpack Nation was. For the first time as a young Pack fan, I thought I may be a part of something special. Was it the jacket? Was Sid better than advertised? Maybe a little bit of both…

The abysmal 2008 and 2009 seasons had a lot of us scratching our head. The red jacket looked a little less shiny and Sid looked outmatched in almost every way. Add to that some team chemistry that is best described by mixing some oil and water and expecting magic to happen. Sid seemed lost. His heart may have been in the game, but his players’ hearts were elsewhere.

There was a lot of grumbling coming into the 09-10 season and with just reason. Tobacco Road is a tough place to win, but if you can’t, there’s a mid major job for you. Some wanted to give Sid at least next year to save some recruits and see what he could do with an ACC caliber point guard. Others said he didn’t deserve the chance and you never want to retain a coach for recruits and that that wasn’t a way to build long term success.

Simply put, I think we’re better than our record. We lost a few very close games to decent teams on miracle shots (yeah yeah, we got ours too, but that was in 1983). And it happened again tonight. On a shot that has about a 0.01% chance of going in, Nolan Smith knocks down a last second three to close out the 1st half and never even touched the ground. Of course. It’s automatic. Put on a non-red jersey and throw up some junk. It’ll go in. Minus a few of these, I think we have a very manageable record and a decent shot at the Dance.

It looks like Javi, Mays, and Degand have all matured. No, they’ve not been perfect, but the Javi/Degand combo seems to be working out. Tracy is playing beyond his years and holy crap Scott Wood? It’s been a while since I’ve seen a player drain shots like that… and the last time I did, we were up by 20 against Reddick and Duke… only to see that lead evaporate.

In years prior, NC State played conserva-ball. Get a gigantic lead and squander it. What I have seen this year is NC State mount some mighty comebacks and other times maintain a mighty lead. Tonights win against #7 Duke was a fantastically orchestrated 40-minute punishment of Duke. For this, you give the players the props and give the coaches the credit where credit is due.

This team and Sid’s teams of years past are night-and-day. Chemistry problems of yore? Gone. It does look ever more evident that the locker room in 07-08 and 08-09 was poisonous. Now coaches take blame for that. But we also must credit when it’s corrected.

So this rant all ends with faith in Lowe and hopes that the rally cap stays on. Sid bleeds NC State. I want him to succeed. I want to win. I want to hang a banner despite administration happily sitting back in the black and maintaining mediocrity. Now I may be completely wrong about this and I’ve been wrong before. But I want to win so badly that I have become delusional with blind hope. But not only does Sid get next year to save some recruits, but I think he deserves next year. There’s something to be said for being down and out and getting up and charging forward. Here’s to Sidney Lowe.

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51 Responses to The Sidney Lowe Rebound

  1. 61Packer 01/21/2010 at 1:01 PM #

    I was at the game last night and loved it. Our team played solid defense and it didn’t hurt that we shot lights out when we needed to. We can’t realistically depend on shooting 60% every night, but our D last night should put us in a better position to win when the shots don’t fall as frequently, especially on the road. I hope so.

    As for the coach, I wish him a happy one today and won’t dwell on the negative as I have so often on here. But let’s just see how this season goes from here before crowning Sidney a king or a jester. It’s obvious this team is a little more talented than many thought.

    The chemistry did look good last night. Let’s hope we can use this one as a springboard for Saturday evening at College Park.

  2. Mr. Wuf 01/21/2010 at 1:03 PM #

    I’ve never been on the fire Sid bandwagon. He simply inherited a bare cupboard from Herb, lost Herb’s last recruiting class save Horner, quickly managed to land Hickson and Smith despite being behind the 8-ball, found a dark horse recruit in Javi, and has done a decent job making HIS players better. Costner, Fells, McCauley for whatever reason did not improve under Sid. Smith, Javi, Horner, Mays, Degand are all showing improvements this year. Imagine if you were told in 2006 that Horner would drop 20 (should have been 22 if he did not blow that opening layup last night) on Duke as a senior including multiple clutch shots. You would have laughed your ass off. Sid is building this program. Hopefully this Duke win will propel us to more success this season, but at least it demonstrates that this team can win a big game, can play as a team, and that Sid can coach.

  3. WolftownVA81 01/21/2010 at 1:04 PM #

    Hope you are right but I’ll have to wait and see. I saw a lot of progress last night and want to see it continue. Having drunk the cool aid before, I’m trying to be a little more rational now. My heart says believe, but my mind says wait and see.

  4. Wulfpack 01/21/2010 at 1:10 PM #

    One thing is for sure – if we go out and lay an egg at Maryland, we’ll know that we haven’t exactly arrived as a program. We’re making the necessary steps, but consistency has been an issue.
    I am very encouraged by the play of this team. But if they let it get to their heads, it’ll be same ‘ole, same ‘ole. We have an opportunity. Seize it with passion.

  5. tobaccordshow 01/21/2010 at 1:11 PM #

    The old Reagan mantra: “Trust but verify.” Not crowning him King for Life or anything, but what we have seen on the court this year which should have been our worst since the Robinson era has turned out to be a pleasant surprise. For this, Sid should be allowed to coach his top 5 class. I’m not making the case that Sid is IT. But I am making the case that I am once again sippin that kool aid. NC State is like crack.

  6. wolfpackattack89 01/21/2010 at 1:27 PM #

    If we can put together a string of wins starting with duke obviously, and then maryland, unc, nccu, and then avenge a loss at VA, then we are looking at something extremely exciting and very special for a team with such low expectations and predicted to finish last in the conference

  7. packplantpath 01/21/2010 at 1:29 PM #

    Tobacco, I feel almost the exact same way. I just graduated a few years earlier. I like what I see. I hope it continues.

  8. choppack1 01/21/2010 at 1:42 PM #

    First off – I’m thrilled w/ the performance last night. It’s obvious to me that Sid is growing as a coach…he’s doing some things he hasn’t done in the past.

    Still, let’s try not to get too far ahead of ourselves. In his first year, Sid beat a top-ranked UNC team, that was much more talented than this Duke squad – he was unable to build on that sufficiently to get an NCAA bid. In his 2nd year, we were 4-4 at the halfway point of the ACC season. Last year, we stayed w/in shouting distance of a .500 ACC record for much of the year.

    It’s really all about consistency and putting together a complete “book of work” for the year. The good news is that since putting Degand in the lineup, and w/ the emergence of Howell – we show the speed and athleticism to defend our opponents and rebound their missed shots. Scott Wood’s presence on the court is huge. He pretty much eliminates a “help defender” option down low if the ball is on his side. As a bonus, he’s a solid defender, good ball handler and rebounds well enough.

    When I came into this year, I thought that unless there was a train wreck, Sid would keep his job. I was hoping to see a 7-9 record – which would constitute a second consecutive year of improvement for this program. I think that’s very much in reach – and if we play like we’ve played the last 3 games, I think we’ve got a shot at an NCAA bid.

  9. Alpha Wolf 01/21/2010 at 1:51 PM #

    TRS and Chop, you’ve said everything that I am thinking, so I won’t repeat myself except to say that I am actually looking forward to games again, even though I don’t have the deepest confidence in the team’s chances of winning.

    I know full well that they have a very slim margin or error, but I also believe that they are working very hard to make the best of what they have to offer.

    As a fan, that’s all I can ask right now.

  10. theghost 01/21/2010 at 2:05 PM #

    I won’t repeat myself either, agree with all these sentiments, we’ll be up and down like everybody else in the conference this year, have to stay level-headed. I’m really impressed with the attitude of these guys after a benching – Smith after sitting out, then Mays after losing PT, Davis and Vandy not seeing near as much time, now Javi and Horner after sitting much of Clemson 2nd half – all (except maybe CJ) have responded very well, and in many cases came back to play better, after losing minutes to another guy. Shows alot of character.

  11. Zen Wolf 01/21/2010 at 2:21 PM #

    CJ Leslie!!!!!!!!!!!

  12. choppack1 01/21/2010 at 2:34 PM #

    Alpha – I don’t know if the margin is as slim as it once was. A huge key for us is that we know we have a decent inside/outside game. Really, our biggest X factor is whether or not we’ll get good play from Javi or Mays.

    Degand at the 2 spot isn’t there because he’s a great shooter or scorer. What he brings at the two spot is what he can bring every night – as long as he’s healthy…and that’s quickness and athleticism. I really can’t say enough about how him playing the 2 spot changes the dynamic of this team.

  13. travelwolf 01/21/2010 at 2:41 PM #

    As I said a few weeks ago on the forum that I started, I haven’t seen NC State plays this well in years! We currently play better than the best HTSNBN team. Watching NC State play is actually fun – even when we lose. What I can’t figure out is: Why it took 3 years for this turn around, and why the seniors that left weren’t part of it. It would be very interesting to get the REAL answers to those 2 questions

  14. bradleyb123 01/21/2010 at 2:48 PM #

    We’re still a young team. What we’ve seen lately is a glimpse of what we’re capable of. But we can still have some letdowns. If we do, it won’t necessarily mean the wheels have come off. We’re going to have good times and bad times. But this young team is certainly very talented and full of heart. There’s no denying that.

    I’ve been involved in some discussions about the improvement of this team. Some have said (unreasonably I think) that we’re not showing any signs of improvement. Hogwash! Last night alone proves otherwise, but we’re also 2-1 against our last three (all ranked!) opponents. And we’re one head-fake away from quite possibly being 3-0. Chemistry issues are clearly a thing of the past. Funny, so are Herb’s leftover players. I’ve been ridiculed for suggesting that maybe Herb’s leftovers were actually the problem. I firmly believe they were. Our current players have said more than once that we used to have players that were selfish and not on the same page as Sidney. In seeing how they played over the last three years, it makes perfect sense. They didn’t give a FLYING HOOT about Sidney Lowe. And I seriously doubt that anything could be done about it, short of kicking guys off the team. This is why I’m able to forgive Sidney’s first three years here. I think our veteran players have developed as players, and I also think Sidney has developed as a coach. I just want Sidney to succeed, and I think he CAN (time will tell…) Because that is our best hope for being a great team sooner than later. Because a premature coaching change will be nothing but a setback, unless we bring in an automatic winner. But when was the last time we hired an automatic winner as a basketball coach. We always hire a project and hope for the best. I can’t imagine that changing, especially with Fowler still around.

    I still have hope for good things THIS year. If we can run Duke out of the building the way we did last night, there’s no reason we can’t win enough conference games to get into the big dance. We just have to go out and do it. Here’s hoping we don’t suffer an emotional letdown against Maryland on Saturday. Keep it going, Pack! Keep getting better and let’s go dancing in March!

  15. TOBtime 01/21/2010 at 3:01 PM #

    bradleyb summed it up nicely for me. I can’t explain why but the last 2 years were for me a clear indication the players did not care. The basics were lacking (from D1 players? PLEASE!) and the desire or intensity just was not there. We may not have looked all that great at times this year but we have played HARD. If you do that you will have games like last night.
    Two players stand out to me this year- Degand and Wood. Degand is showing what he is capable of when healthy and what an athlete this guy is. He can play shut-down D but can create. Wood is showing he is the REAL deal as a shooter and what do you know- the kid can play other aspects of the game as well! We just haven’t seemed to have this good a mix on the floor since, well, since Corch and Monroe played together. FT% is high, confidence is high, let’s seee what we can do with the Terrapins.

  16. Plz2BStateFan 01/21/2010 at 3:09 PM #

    I think everyone should calm down. Remember, Duke did not play well.

    I want to compare this to the 07 Carolina game where we stomped UNC but we shot an absurdly high percentage.

    Its a good win. We are not world beaters, we arn’t guaranteed a win vs UNC or anyone in the ACC.

    Wait until after the UNC game next week. If we can maintain a solid level of play through both games regardless of outcome we should feel good at where we are at.

    The key is maintaining the level of play. Like Lowe said, the players cant become satisfied after wins like last nights.

    “You are not as good as you think you are after a win and you are not as bad as you think you are after a loss”

  17. fullmoon1 01/21/2010 at 3:12 PM #

    I’ll drink to that.

  18. fullmoon1 01/21/2010 at 3:19 PM #

    plz2b-Duke did not play well because we shut them down. This crap doesn’t happen in a vaccum. I would like to think it was that our defense, combined with multiple scoring threats is the reason that they didn’t play well. That is how games are won, one team plays better than the other. They got out ran, out coached, out hustled and out manned. I think in any game you could take a look at the loser and come up with the conclusion that the losing team did not play well in comparison to the winner. It is a very uncesque to imply that duke beat themselves and we just showed up and collect the w seemingly not deserving it. I don’t mean to sound harsh, im just sayin…

  19. Broccoman 01/21/2010 at 3:24 PM #

    I gotta agree. I’ll admit, I said if Sid finished last this year, he should be gone, but even if that happens, I think enough has been shown that it’s worth keeping (but it would take a meltdown to finish last)

    Duke didn’t play that poorly last night. A lot of it was us making them play poorly.

    As for Herb’s players. I don’t know. At least for Big Ben, I definitely believe he played with heart.

  20. LRM 01/21/2010 at 3:48 PM #

    I’ll say this, beating Duke and Carolina sure go a long way towards getting the LRM stamp of approval.

  21. wolfpackdawg 01/21/2010 at 3:49 PM #

    If we keep improving and play more consistently the rest of the year..barring injuries……I will feel better about what is going down.

  22. LRM 01/21/2010 at 4:13 PM #

    “I think everyone should calm down. Remember, Duke did not play well.”

    Screw that.

    Of course Duke didn’t play well, but it wasn’t because they had an off night. If they had shot 39% on open looks all night or had a few bad bounces then it would be different. But that wasn’t the case at all.

    We won because we executed a brilliant game plan: we were aggressive on both offense and defense and we successfully dictated the tempo of the game. Duke shot 39% because we frustrated them into bad shots and we also forced 10 turnovers by their starters (14 total) which led to fast break baskets.

    On offense, we frustrated them by exploiting the mismatches of Plumlee and Zoubek inside against Tracy and Dennis — didn’t matter if they pressed us or played zone, we still found Tracy in the post, where he was dominant. We also had 18 assists against only nine turnovers. It’s not like we came out and hit 12 three-pointers for some fluke victory (we only hit five).

    To say Duke didn’t play well is an accurate statement, but to imply that we didn’t cause it is a disservice to a hard-fought, much-deserved victory.

    Sure, Duke is the better team overall, just not last night.

  23. Tiew 01/21/2010 at 4:19 PM #

    People want to blame the last few bad years on Herb’s players, chemistry, and stuff like that. Differences in guard play seem more likely to me.

    Also, has anyone noticed how quickly Howell passes the ball? I particularly notice how when he gets a defensive rebound he darts it out to the point guard without a moment’s hesitation.

  24. blpack 01/21/2010 at 4:23 PM #

    Great win last night. We will see how we handle success. We need to build on this game and the second half vs. Clemson. We won’t hit shots like we did last night very often, but we can go play hard and compete with everyone in the ACC. We do that and it will give us a chance at a good season. We are a long ways from the NCAAT, but it is only January.

  25. wufpup76 01/21/2010 at 4:35 PM #

    Hello all, it’s been a long time. 🙂

    Good to see many of the same folks here.

    I’ve had a few life changing events over the past year or so, but wanted to chime in after such a nice win.

    Last night felt like a home game should against a Big Four rival. Not necessarily that we won, but the crowd and energy was electric before the tip and carried on throughout the game. It was really a lot of fun to be there.

    As far as Sidney Lowe, I admit that I was ready for him to be hung out to dry after the Virginia game. One bad call in the second half and the team shrugged their collective shoulders and folded. I was as hot as I’ve ever been after a State game, and I laid almost entirely at the Coach’s feet. That was the first time I truly wanted Sidney gone, but to his credit and to the credit of the young men on this team they didn’t fold up shop for the season.

    This team has a lot of character, and apparently so to do it’s coaches. Sidney’s been through a lot both professionally and personally during his tenure here, but true optimism seems to be at it’s highest level right now. It isn’t just because we whipped a fairly good Dook team, but because this particular team has shown reseliency and a no-quit attitude that hasn’t been the trademarks of a Wolfpack basketball team in a couple of decades.

    Consitency is key though. We’ve had a problem during Lowe’s tenure with letting big wins get to our heads and then running off three or four straight losses. We may lose at Maryland on Saturday, but let’s hope it’s because they just beat us rather than us looking like crap. And we’ve got to keep learning how to build on leads and finish teams off as opposed to trying to protect leads.

    Last night was certainly encouraging.

    Anyway, barring a collapse that most of us don’t want to see happen I think Sidney is earning another year. After seeing us play early in the season I thought we were better than predicted by the media, the problem is prooving it. Last night went a long way, but we’ve got to keep going forward – not be happy with one regular season win.

    Lot of basketball left – let’s see what happens!

    Hope everyone is doing well. Good to check in here …

    In the inestimable words of Lee Fowler: “God Bless! Go Pack!”

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