Will You Be An “Irrational Kook” Saturday In CFS? (updated)

Joe Ovies, on WRAL Sports’ Fankind blog has a word or two for fans who are planning to wear a bag over their head Saturday when the Wolfpack takes on the Terps:

Go Shove Your Face In a Bag

“A few disgruntled NC State message board illuminati are planning to attend this Saturday’s game against Maryland with brown paper bags over their heads. A classic move by fans when they’re ashamed of a team. But this is Wuffie nation we’re talking about, and a very vocal minority is always willing to make the rest of the fanbase look like a bunch of irrational kooks.”

First of all, I have to say that I find it hyperbolic that NC State’s fans are somehow unique in having a cadre of fans off the deep end  After all, one doesn’t have to look any farther than our friends in Chapel Hill, who had a meltdown over their basketball coach wearing a sticker and have been booing and throwing things at their starting quarterback recently.   Duke’s fans have moaned in their time, as well.  The Lunatic Fringe is everywhere, friends, make no mistake about it.

Joe then goes on to say that doing this would be red meat for the press, something that our friend James at the “Yet Another NC State Sports Blog” orginally pointed out. Joe and James are correct, someone would inevitably use it against NC State.

Look, I get it. You’re pissed. I am, too. I imagine the tone of the previous post here conveyed that. I’ve been very disappointed in the defensive coaching and in coach Tom O’Brien’s stubborn insistence to shift the blame away from his coaching staff toward the players.

However, the LAST thing you need to consider doing as a fan or student is donning a paper bag, or any other highly-visible sign of discontent, to this week’s football game.

I say this primarily for this reason: Wearing a bag over your head provides any photographer or cameraman a perfect photo opportunity to land you in the paper or on TV. You may say to yourself, “Good. That’s the point.” But think of this: Any photo snapped wearing a bag cannot be “un-taken.” It will be circulated, filed away and reused at any time deemed necessary by a party outside of the university, most likely in a damaging fashion.

Anyhow, I really don’t see the point of the bags.  They really won’t change anything, and wearing one is not all that unique.   Or funny.   But I don’t think wearing one would be irrational, and it won’t make you stand out as a kook.  It just won’t change anything or shame the Wolfpack team into playing better.

NOTE: I have removed my earlier statement about the News and Observer.  The reason why is because it contained a factual error that was pointed out to me: their circulation is not falling, their ad revenue is.  In the age of increasingly electronic journalism, the print side of that business – be it a newspaper, a magazine or whatever – is facing that particular challenge.   Newspapers used to have a huge revenue stream from their classified ads, for example, but that has dived like a broken submarine.  Readership apparently has not, or at least as much as it might seem.

Finally, let it be said that we stand up and point out when we are wrong and in this case, I was wrong.  My apologies for my error.  — Alpha

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41 Responses to Will You Be An “Irrational Kook” Saturday In CFS? (updated)

  1. T-FIC 11/05/2009 at 5:22 PM #

    I agree Master. It is comical to me all the people saying they are done with NC State, they are not paying any more to their LTR, they are never giving another dime to the university, never going to another game, blah, blah, blah.

    As an alumni, I will always give to my beloved NC State and I will always cheer for them. We have a lot of improvement to do as a football team but that can only be accomplished with the fans’ support.

  2. gotohe11carolina 11/05/2009 at 5:26 PM #

    the simple solution to our problem is to boo the ever loving crap out of the coaches when they get intro’d and then when the players are intro’d cheer ’em like they’d just won the bcs nat’l championship…

    i’ll just keep hoping tob will see what’s what and stop dumping on the players and own his mistakes like all of adults should…

    btw how much money would it take to get reggie herring back, just wondering really, even if we had to pay him more than tob wouldn’t it be worth it…

  3. T-FIC 11/05/2009 at 5:35 PM #

    @ gotohe11carolina

    reggie herring??? are you serious? why don’t we just try to get lou holtz back? hell someone on one of the forums was saying how Amato got us RW, Irving and W. Young so maybe we should try to get him back?

    Its like trying to get back with an old girlfriend you broke up with years ago…when does that ever work?

    And with booing the coaches and cheering the players, its gonna be hard when they come out of the tunnel at the same time. boo, yaaaaay, boooo, yaaayyyy!!!

    Actually, I’m gonna try that…

  4. LRM 11/05/2009 at 7:54 PM #

    For the record, I’m perfectly capable of being an irrational fan without a paper bag over my head.

  5. john of sparta 11/05/2009 at 8:46 PM #

    “kids”
    “not pros”
    “asked them”
    folks, i know 18-year-olds in Iraq
    even some 19yos in Afghanistan.
    these men do their duty by risking
    their lives so i can play on the internet.
    this is my rant about supporting the “kids”.
    athletes/coaches/etc. are here to perform.
    do or do not. there is no try…says Yoda.

  6. Wulfpack 11/05/2009 at 10:45 PM #

    Master and TFIC, we are ALL Wolfpack fans. Your attempt at putting yourselves on a pedestal as a model fan is no less arrogant than me telling you that you are just the gullible sort that LF and his cronies love.

    I LOVE NC State. I just HATE the way it is currently being run. If that offends you, my apologies. But you won’t shut me up. It’s not in my nature to be robbed and then not say anything about it.

  7. wolfman 11/05/2009 at 10:57 PM #

    Lunatic fringes are everywhere. The one thing that sets State apart is that many State fans hate Carolina more than they love State , whether they will admit it or not. Which is why so many moan and complain instead of standing by their team win or lose. Ironically, this is one of the things that is so despicable about Carolina fans. So, why have so many of us become what we hate? What ever happened to don’t give up?

  8. LRM 11/05/2009 at 11:24 PM #

    Wolfman,

    We absolutely moan and complain but it’s unfair to ever question our loyalty, because most of us have never done anything BUT stand by State — through a lot of “lose” and not much “win.”

  9. elvislives 11/06/2009 at 12:14 AM #

    You know what football players really like? Being coddled. Being cheered. That’s the best way to make them feel good about themselves. Maybe if we cheer just hard enough they’ll learn to tackle.

    How pathetic. These are football players not babies. And if they’re worth their salt they’ve been brought up with a hard-nosed mentality that you get rewarded with cheers when you play well. You need to tackle hard and you need to score touchdowns to be appreciated.

    So go ahead and cheer the same arm-tackling pathetic excuses for scholarship athletes that are the sole reason games have been lost that have made you so frustrated. That’s the answer! Boo boo the coaches, that will show them!

    I’m fairly confident that fan reaction doesn’t factor into a gameplan, bag or no bag. Want to make a statement to the team? Show up and be loud, boos or cheers are your discretion. Or don’t show up and make that be your statement.

    Games are won and lost on the field. This team’s defense couldn’t tackle a paper bag right now if one blew onto to field. That is what has kept us from winning this season. You want to be mad about something, be mad about that.

  10. BJD95 11/06/2009 at 12:21 AM #

    I don’t boo college athletes, and I certainly wouldn’t condone wearing paper bags to a game. Pretty silly, really.

    If you don’t want to go…then, just don’t go.

    This will be my last game of the year (and last overall as an LTR holder), so I certainly hope to close it out with a win.

  11. gcpack 11/06/2009 at 12:47 AM #

    Getting back to the media agenda issue there are still a few who will always be tied to an agenda charge based on their history of
    reporting(making stuff up) and commentary. Carlton(I wish I was a TarHeel) Tudor did that back in the mid ’90s in regards to the wrestling team. Yes, I said the wrestling team. The N&O had already gotten their red meat by leading the charge to dismantle a too successful basketball program so what else were they going to do.

    I have searched the N&O’s on line archives more than once to confirm the stories published on the wrestling teams at UNC and NCSU during that time.

    Tudor advocated in a commentary that State should shut down the wrestling program after the unfortunate shooting death of a non-student.
    That same non-student had randomly started shooting at one of those outdoor parties they used to have south of main campus. Some of you may remember but one of the wrestlers was hit by the gunfire and other wrestling team members went after the guy that was shooting and in the ensuing struggle that guy’s own gun went off and killed him. Foolish move by the wrestlers to take matters in their own hands rather than calling the police but nevertheless a reaction to an unprovoked attack by a mad man unaffiliated with the State wrestling program. For that Tudor attacked the wrestling program and said it should be shut down because of bad characters on the team.

    But Tudor was deadly silent only a couple of years earlier when 2 or 3 members of the UNC wrestling team were actually charged with sexual assault, rape, date rape, etc. During the course of that story coming out it was discovered that the sexaul assault type of activity had become a prevalent characteristic of many members of the UNC wrestling team. To make matters worse many UNC supporters stood outside the Orange County courthouse during the rape trials chanting the wrestling team’s motto, “We’re always on top”. Quite the inappropriate thing to chant at a sexaul assault and rape trial. Did Tudor have anything to write about that? Not one thing. None of that offended Tudor to the point of making a comment. Not one thing from him in the N & O archives.

    So those old enough to remember who the biased writers and papers were will not forget that some of the agenda driven like Carlton Tudor are still around. And some of the younger ones, like the fool Doyel(formerly of Charlotte Observer)I believe take their cues from old, grey
    State haters like Tudor.

  12. Alpha Wolf 11/06/2009 at 9:50 AM #

    ^ Once upon a time, I lived in Hunter’s Creek where that incident happened, so I know the lay of that land all too well.

    It was absolutely a tragic case of the wrestlers trying to solve the problem on their own rather than call the cops. Thing is, they did essentially the same thing that many students in the same situation would have done.

  13. Thinkpack17 11/06/2009 at 10:48 AM #

    “folks, i know 18-year-olds in Iraq
    even some 19yos in Afghanistan.
    these men do their duty by risking
    their lives so i can play on the internet.”

    What does this have to do with anything? If you want people not to argue against your point throw in the war. Yeah…that’ll get em!

  14. T-FIC 11/06/2009 at 12:13 PM #

    @ Wulfpack

    “I LOVE NC State. I just HATE the way it is currently being run. If that offends you, my apologies. But you won’t shut me up. It’s not in my nature to be robbed and then not say anything about it.”

    First nothing you say offends me, but you are referring to being robbed? That is what I am talking about, comparing giving to the university as being robbed. Deep breath guy. And by the way, I am not putting myself on a pedestal as a model fan. But I also am not threatening to never go to another football game or to stop paying my LTRs. Those idle threats are what I was speaking of in terms of exaggeration of the fan base.

  15. 61Packer 11/06/2009 at 3:40 PM #

    A word of warning to those who plan on wearing bags to the game Saturday. Make sure you put the correct logo on them, because I expect there may be several Maryland fans there who are also wearing bags.

    I guess this game is what you call a 2-bagger; BOTH teams’ fans will be wearing bags.

  16. Alpha Wolf 11/06/2009 at 4:06 PM #

    Just wear red, pull for the team and hope for the best. Not as much fun, but it’s just better for everyone that way.

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